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FOX News: Religion in America: Church and State now on! Fighting for Religious Freedom!
FOX News | December 18, 2005

Posted on 12/18/2005 7:09:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Looks like it could be interesting.


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclj; brithume; christianheritage; foxnews; moralabsolutes; religiousfreedom
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1 posted on 12/18/2005 7:09:28 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Brit seems particularly motivated to bring this info to the masses!


2 posted on 12/18/2005 7:10:28 PM PST by holidayidol
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To: Jim Robinson

Religion in America: Church and State

Sunday, December 18, 2005



Sun., Dec. 18 at 10 p.m. ET

Repeats at midnight

Hosted by Brit Hume

Across the country, Americans are getting ready for Christmas and Hanukkah. Fifty years ago, the lighting of Christmas trees and Menorahs would have been as uncontroversial as the notion of loving your country.

But not any more.

For the past half-century, the first country in the world to guarantee religious freedom has been locked in a legal war that has driven the symbols of God and religion out of its schools and courthouses, its statehouses and city halls and threatens to go further.

This weekend, join host Brit Hume as FOX News tour of the religious battlefields of the United States.

We'll show you what the Founding Fathers thought they were doing when they first guaranteed American religious freedom.

We'll investigate how the wall of separation between church and state really gets built in modern America and how Americans are fighting back.

Tune in for a fair and balanced examination one of the most divisive and important issues in America today.


3 posted on 12/18/2005 7:10:46 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Jim Robinson


Just got home. I am watching.


4 posted on 12/18/2005 7:11:27 PM PST by onyx (Merry Christmas everybody.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am watching.So far it is very good.


5 posted on 12/18/2005 7:12:26 PM PST by tapatio
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To: Jim Robinson

Government will NOT PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion.


6 posted on 12/18/2005 7:13:12 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jim Robinson

Could you guys with cable keep those of us without up to date on how it goes? There are occasions I wish we had it but it's not often enough to justify the expense.


7 posted on 12/18/2005 7:14:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I'm watching.
Right on target so far.


8 posted on 12/18/2005 7:14:06 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Jim Robinson

Very interesting program. Should be shown to Congress, 9th Circuit Court and the Supreme Court.


9 posted on 12/18/2005 7:14:55 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: Vicki

But it's from Fox News! It's right-wing propaganda. (sarcasm)


10 posted on 12/18/2005 7:16:16 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is islam a religion or a cult?


11 posted on 12/18/2005 7:16:24 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Jo Nuvark

"Wall of separation" not in constitution.


12 posted on 12/18/2005 7:16:33 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: metmom

Keeping cable challenged FReepers up to date...

I believe FNC publishes transcripts. However, because I am working on a movie, I am documenting this in bullets. Hope I get them all.


13 posted on 12/18/2005 7:19:09 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Supreme court decision Everson vs Board of Education, New Jersey. Judge Black lifts "wall of separation" quote from Jefferson's 1801 comments to deny public school bussing of students to parochial schools. Seen as anti Catholic.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 7:22:24 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jim Robinson

I'm glad they exposed the anti-Catholic roots of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and the whole secularist movement. Hugo Black was a Klansman who hated Catholicism.


15 posted on 12/18/2005 7:23:33 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Jim Robinson

We are grilling "Sacred Cow" burgers tonight! Britt is not painting the US "Supreme" Court in a favorable light!


16 posted on 12/18/2005 7:29:49 PM PST by zzen01 (get with i)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Fr. James Coyle

Hugo Black, who wrote the Emerson decision that started this whole anti-religious push, defended the murderer of Fr. Coyle.

17 posted on 12/18/2005 7:29:50 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Pyro7480

So far it's been very well done and I am ejoying it.


18 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:09 PM PST by defconw (Allen/Pence 2008)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
I've been watching this program from the beginning. This is the most accurate televised discussion of the origin and meaning of the First Amendment's religious clauses that I've ever seen. Even before it's over, I recommend that all interested in this subject, tape and keep this program as a primer on this subject.

I say that not as a layman, but as a longtime practitioner of First Amendment law.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: " 'Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics' in Military Recruitment"

19 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:58 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: Pyro7480

My hubby didn't believe in Anti-Catholic hatred,
I love this!


20 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:59 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: Pyro7480

Interesting that a lot of the decline of our culture
can be traced to the 60's. 1962 prayer was taken
out of school. God keeps us civil, polite, brotherly
and kind.

RELEASE TIME should also be used to teach the
civics classes taught to those applying for U.S.
citizenship, as well as the Constitution.


21 posted on 12/18/2005 7:31:22 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jim Robinson

I just wish the rest of Fox would get on the same page as the news division. Fox Sports was giving the generic Happy Holidays greeting on their football games today.


22 posted on 12/18/2005 7:31:43 PM PST by balch3
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Timesink; VPMWife78; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; FoxGirl; Mr. Bob; xflisa; ...
FoxFan ping!

This show is on NOW. To the best of my knowledge, it repeats at 12am ET/9pm PT.

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

23 posted on 12/18/2005 7:31:48 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Jo Nuvark
True, but if the pastors at my congregation start talking more about politics than the Savior I will be upset. Church is where I go to learn about the Savior, not what someone's political positions should be (though I do allow some flexibility for moral issues like abortion). Also, I get leery of private entities like churches holding out their hand too much for government funds because of some of the purse strings that follow. I believe there was one case where the guv was trying to tell this church they had to hire gays to work there. I don't want that at all--private churches should remain just that--private and hands off to the government.

Issues like Michael Newdork having under God taken out of the Pledge are bull pucky to me, but I am leery of government intrusion into religion.

24 posted on 12/18/2005 7:33:22 PM PST by moog
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To: netmilsmom
My hubby didn't believe in Anti-Catholic hatred, I love this!

I wouldn't call it hatred, but even today, in Alabama, my kids are told that they are part of a cult and are not Christians.

25 posted on 12/18/2005 7:33:41 PM PST by TankerKC (Who will hold the NYT accountable for knowingly releasing classified info?)
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To: moog

How would they have their hand out?


26 posted on 12/18/2005 7:34:41 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Taping it's when it replays later tonight. Looking forward to this special, hope it gets some play out there on the talk circuit as well. brit's done his homework on this.


27 posted on 12/18/2005 7:34:56 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: TankerKC

>>I wouldn't call it hatred, but even today, in Alabama, my kids are told that they are part of a cult and are not Christians.<<

That happens on FR too!


28 posted on 12/18/2005 7:35:40 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I was busy when it started, but plan to watch it at 11:00.


29 posted on 12/18/2005 7:38:38 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: netmilsmom

by extending the arm out in a straightforward motion. Just kidding. As in receiving more government funds. I believe that gay issue was connected to a church receiving them. I don't need the government telling a Christian church how to believe or act.


30 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:51 PM PST by moog
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To: Jim Robinson

I'm impressed. I've been amazed at the DISINFORMATION we have been force-fed by the educational system AND the dinosaur media...

Bravo to Fox News for their attempts to enlighten the public!


31 posted on 12/18/2005 7:45:24 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Jim Robinson
The first sixteen words of the Bill of Rights:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

The athiest Democrats of the ACLU like to pretend that those last six words aren't there. But there they are.
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court also seems to have forgotten that those last six words are there.

32 posted on 12/18/2005 7:45:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Jo Nuvark
Many Ten Commandments monuments around the country
were placed by Cecil B. Demille in 1943-44 to promote
his epic "The Ten Commandments" with Charleton Heston.

"We'll know an endorsement of religion when Sandra Day
O'Connor tells us it is an endorsement of religion."

Pray for Michael Newdow: Tried to removed "under God"
from pledge. Now he's trying to remove "in God we trust" from our currency.

Seems to me a lot of "nobody's" are using petty religious
issues to find their 15 minutes of fame. Petty. Really petty!
33 posted on 12/18/2005 7:46:56 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: moog

>>by extending the arm out in a straightforward motion. Just kidding. As in receiving more government funds. I believe that gay issue was connected to a church receiving them. I don't need the government telling a Christian church how to believe or act.<

LOL!
You got me!

I see what you are saying.


34 posted on 12/18/2005 7:46:58 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: netmilsmom

That happens on FR too!

Those religion threads here get downright nasty sometimes. As a newbie, I accidentally replied to a couple of people in a thread that was 2 YEARS old. They picked up right where they left off in the thread and got into a humongous argument. The next time I watched what the date was on the thread.


35 posted on 12/18/2005 7:47:01 PM PST by moog
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To: penelopesire

It runs again at 11 pm?


36 posted on 12/18/2005 7:47:05 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: Jim Robinson

Recording for later viewing! Brit will do a fair piece.


37 posted on 12/18/2005 7:47:12 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: netmilsmom

No prob. Nice tagline by the way.


38 posted on 12/18/2005 7:48:05 PM PST by moog
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To: perfect stranger

That's Central Time. It's on again at midnight Eastern.


39 posted on 12/18/2005 7:48:37 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Jo Nuvark
because I am working on a movie

Starring in? Editing? Watching?

40 posted on 12/18/2005 7:48:53 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

RELEASE TIME should also be used to teach the
civics classes taught to those applying for U.S.
citizenship, as well as the Constitution.

We have release time Bible study where I am from.


41 posted on 12/18/2005 7:48:56 PM PST by moog
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To: TankerKC

I wouldn't call it hatred, but even today, in Alabama, my kids are told that they are part of a cult and are not Christians.

Those saying that are not true Christians.


42 posted on 12/18/2005 7:49:54 PM PST by moog
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To: Pyro7480

"Hugo Black was a Klansman who hated Catholicism."

And that's how the whole made-up "wall of separation" thing started. There is no "wall of separation" in the Constitution.


43 posted on 12/18/2005 7:50:01 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: Congressman Billybob
"I've been watching this program from the beginning. This is the most accurate televised discussion of the origin and meaning of the First Amendment's religious clauses that I've ever seen. Even before it's over, I recommend that all interested in this subject, tape and keep this program as a primer on this subject."

I agree. Perhaps there's a way to get the transcript. Most of the laws enacted have occurred in the last 50 years. It seems that the US has increasingly become more like the secular communists and Maoists than true to the founding father's vision of a God-based society.
44 posted on 12/18/2005 7:51:14 PM PST by khnyny (Merry Christmas)
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To: Pyro7480
I was looking forward to watching it 30 min after our President's speech, but got caught up in other computer related things.

Thanks for the 'heads up'.

45 posted on 12/18/2005 7:51:36 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: perfect stranger

check your tv guide for time in your zone, but it is running again here (CT) at 11:00.


46 posted on 12/18/2005 7:52:14 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: Michael Goldsberry

It's a Cult


47 posted on 12/18/2005 7:54:07 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT
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To: moog
[...Too much politics from the pulpit, not enough Jesus...]

Like it or not, Jesus is VERY political. Herod feared him
because he thought he wanted to be a political ruler. Truth's
war is in the heavenlies. Men who want power will be intimidated
by the King of Kings.

BULL PUCKY??? Do I know you? I thought I was the only person who uses that phrase.
48 posted on 12/18/2005 7:54:10 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: moog

He's a good egg!


49 posted on 12/18/2005 7:54:19 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: penelopesire

Thanks for your help.


50 posted on 12/18/2005 7:54:40 PM PST by perfect stranger
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