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Clinton NSA Eavesdropped on U.S. Calls
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Posted on 12/18/2005 7:21:35 PM PST by doesnt suffer fools gladly

Clinton NSA Eavesdropped on U.S. Calls

During the 1990's under President Clinton, the National Security Agency monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries under a super secret program code-named Echelon.

On Friday, the New York Times suggested that the Bush administration has instituted "a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices" when it "secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without [obtaining] court-approved warrants."

But in fact, the NSA had been monitoring private telephone conversations on a much larger scale throughout the 1990s - all of it done without a court order, let alone a catalyst like the 9/11 attacks.

In February 2000, for instance, CBS "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Kroft introduced a report on the Clinton-era spy program by noting:

"If you made a phone call today or sent an e-mail to a friend, there's a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country's largest intelligence agency. The top-secret Global Surveillance Network is called Echelon, and it's run by the National Security Agency."

NSA computers, said Kroft, "capture virtually every electronic conversation around the world."

Echelon expert Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the Canadian equivalent of the National Security Agency, told "60 Minutes" that the agency was monitoring "everything from data transfers to cell phones to portable phones to baby monitors to ATMs."

Mr. Frost detailed activities at one unidentified NSA installation, telling "60 Minutes" that agency operators "can listen in to just about anything" - while Echelon computers screen phone calls for key words that might indicate a terrorist threat.

The "60 Minutes" report also spotlighted Echelon critic, then-Rep. Bob Barr, who complained that the project as it was being implemented under Clinton "engages in the interception of literally millions of communications involving United States citizens."

One Echelon operator working in Britain told "60 Minutes" that the NSA had even monitored and tape recorded the conversations of the late Sen. Strom Thurmond.

Still, the Times repeatedly insisted on Friday that the NSA surveillance under Bush had been unprecedented, at one point citing anonymously an alleged former national security official who claimed: "This is really a sea change. It's almost a mainstay of this country that the NSA only does foreign searches."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bobbarr; echelon; homelandsecurity; mikefrost; nsa; patriotleak; wiretapping; x42
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1 posted on 12/18/2005 7:21:36 PM PST by doesnt suffer fools gladly
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

In response, Sen. Harry Reid stated: "But that's not what we're talking about!"


2 posted on 12/18/2005 7:23:21 PM PST by zook
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

If there is a pile of sh*t, the Dems will step on it.

Backstabbing, America-hating, communist, atheist, liars that they are!!!


3 posted on 12/18/2005 7:24:07 PM PST by msf92497 (Was Republican...Now just a Conservative.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Holy Moley! Does the MSM know about this?


4 posted on 12/18/2005 7:24:21 PM PST by generally
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Great Post


5 posted on 12/18/2005 7:24:50 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Clinton was the MSM's darling prince and could do no wrong. I think he shared a cigar with a few of them.
6 posted on 12/18/2005 7:25:02 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

bttt


7 posted on 12/18/2005 7:25:38 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: msf92497

Come, come....a few of them are not atheists....


8 posted on 12/18/2005 7:25:38 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

OUCH, That's gonna leave a mark :-)


9 posted on 12/18/2005 7:25:39 PM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
I'm certain this capability and practice goes back a lot further than the previous administration. There are just some things that we don't need to know. The sooner the MSM understands that, the better.
10 posted on 12/18/2005 7:26:05 PM PST by edpc
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Well, well, well! Good find!


11 posted on 12/18/2005 7:26:10 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: DrDeb; STARWISE; ohioWfan; Peach; Miss Marple; Dog

Paging the warriors


12 posted on 12/18/2005 7:26:52 PM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

I remember "Jam Echelon" sessions, back in the day, during the Clinton era.


13 posted on 12/18/2005 7:27:04 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Great find; thanks for posting.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 7:27:45 PM PST by Saratogamema (Prayers are always needed--for our President, our troops, and our Nation's people.)
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To: B.O. Plenty

OK. There are a few.


15 posted on 12/18/2005 7:27:57 PM PST by msf92497 (Was Republican...Now just a Conservative.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Well, this news certainly makes what Bush has done OK. I feel so much better now.


16 posted on 12/18/2005 7:28:01 PM PST by Gone GF
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

It's only "news" if a Republican does it, or allows it to continue....


17 posted on 12/18/2005 7:29:33 PM PST by dirtbiker (I've tried to see the liberal point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my a$$....)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

"....under President Clinton, the National Security Agency...."

Sandy Berger, Clinton's Nat'l Security Advisor led the agancy......recently stole highly classified (code named, I think) documents relevant to the 9!! Commission "investigation from the Nat'l Archives.


18 posted on 12/18/2005 7:29:35 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

I'm so glad this has finally been brought up! The scary thing -- look at who was in power (and look at the number of IRS audits).


19 posted on 12/18/2005 7:29:41 PM PST by scott7278 (Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I'd like to know what we're talking about.)
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To: nutmeg

bttt


20 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:05 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Hillary was doing the monitoring.


21 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:14 PM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: zook
Its always OK when the 'rats do something. Sicking the IRS on critics and blackmailing people with stolen FBI files is fine. Spying on our actual national enemies is a scandal.
22 posted on 12/18/2005 7:30:29 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Has Her Thighness blasted Bush for this yet I wonder?


23 posted on 12/18/2005 7:31:11 PM PST by doesnt suffer fools gladly (Merry Christmas!)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

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24 posted on 12/18/2005 7:32:02 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Wasanother

Only the females...(sorry, couldn't resist)


25 posted on 12/18/2005 7:32:43 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

It would be surprising if any of this was NOT done...


26 posted on 12/18/2005 7:32:50 PM PST by M203M4
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To: MJY1288

Thanks for the ping. Added to my ongoing file about this matter. Because it's going to be very ugly next year unless the WH gets out in front of this and fast.


27 posted on 12/18/2005 7:32:51 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

What about the privacy of the 900 Americans who had their FBI files sent to the Klintons.


28 posted on 12/18/2005 7:33:30 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: scott7278

The abuse of the IRS audit authority is why the Barrett Report must be made public.


29 posted on 12/18/2005 7:35:05 PM PST by Arm_Bears (If the people lead, the leaders will follow.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Here's a lot more on Klinton's Echelon
30 posted on 12/18/2005 7:35:49 PM PST by harpu
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Still, the Times repeatedly insisted on Friday that the NSA surveillance under Bush had been unprecedented, at one point citing anonymously an alleged former national security official who claimed: "This is really a sea change. It's almost a mainstay of this country that the NSA only does foreign searches."

The NYT's "leaker" didn't give them enough info, or the NYT refuses to print the entire truth. Take you pick.

31 posted on 12/18/2005 7:36:08 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

60 Minutes transcript on Echelon

http://www.internetpirate.com/echelontranscript.htm


32 posted on 12/18/2005 7:36:10 PM PST by blogblogginaway (..)
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To: OldFriend

"What about the privacy of the 900 Americans who had their FBI files sent to the Klintons."

They're now puppets-on-a-string.


33 posted on 12/18/2005 7:36:46 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: msf92497

"Backstabbing, America-hating, communist, atheist, liars that they are!!!"


You forgot to add the street term for "poopy heads".


34 posted on 12/18/2005 7:38:19 PM PST by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: Gone GF
Well, this news certainly makes what Bush has done OK. I feel so much better now.

Whether folks feel it's OK or not, it's important to demonstrate that it's not a Democrat/Republican issue, like the MSM is attempting to make it. It's also important to note that if you let the guy you like have a capability, it may be the guy you hate that uses it tomorrow (or used it yesterday).
35 posted on 12/18/2005 7:39:54 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: harpu

THIS is the face of the enemy, Punch Sulzberger, the man responsible for the continued assault on the CIC.

What happened to Mary Mapes will pale in comparison compared to what is in store for this leftist crook and his comrades on 42st.

36 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:02 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Wasanother

Which end of that cigar?


37 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:23 PM PST by 359Henrie
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To: edpc
I'm certain this capability and practice goes back a lot further than the previous administration. There are just some things that we don't need to know. The sooner the MSM understands that, the better.

You could not be more correct. Some people need to go to prison for disclosing classified information. I keep posting - "Do you remember Ethel and Julius Rosenberg?"Ethel and Julius Rosenberg A fine set of traitors they were and now the entire MSM has picked up where they and their ilk left off. Aldrich Ames is another one that comes to mind.

38 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:56 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: Gone GF
"Well, this news certainly makes what Bush has done OK. I feel so much better now."

I'm all in favor of what Bush has done. . If Al-Qaeda ia calling you from Pakistan, your "civil liberties" to have a private phone call with terrorists be damned. How do you feel about the"vigilant" Dems blocking the release of the report on IRS abuse of taxpaying citizens for political gain?

39 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:57 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: HighWheeler

Yeah, well, it's been a helluva long week, and I'm spent.

I'd settle for "caca doody-heads" at this point.

Shoot, I forgot "hypocritical, self-loathing, vain (paradoxical, isn't it!), petty, vile, simpletons!!!"


40 posted on 12/18/2005 7:42:25 PM PST by msf92497 (Was Republican...Now just a Conservative.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Sandy Berger, Clinton's Nat'l Security Advisor led the agancy

by led if you mean he headed up NSA, I don't think so. The head of NSA is always from one of the military branches.

41 posted on 12/18/2005 7:42:33 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Come on! It isn't HIP to say anything bad about the clintooons---janeane garafalo.

/Sarc


42 posted on 12/18/2005 7:43:05 PM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

And, the Barrett report contains what? Let's make that public, also!


43 posted on 12/18/2005 7:43:11 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: msf92497

"Shoot, I forgot "hypocritical, self-loathing, vain (paradoxical, isn't it!), petty, vile, simpletons!!!"


attaboy, now yer on a roll.....


44 posted on 12/18/2005 7:43:49 PM PST by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: Wasanother

I can't help but think what a waste of a cigar that was.


45 posted on 12/18/2005 7:44:50 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Arm_Bears; All

Here's a good editorial by Tony Snow on the issue:

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/tonysnow/2005/12/09/178552.html


46 posted on 12/18/2005 7:46:12 PM PST by scott7278 (Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I'd like to know what we're talking about.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Hmmmm how embarassing how embarrasing.

Clinton admin didnt use a warrent eh?

Shove this in the libs noses and make them smell it!


47 posted on 12/18/2005 7:46:24 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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So...let me get this straight. We weren't at WAR during the clinton era, so they did a lot of illegal wiretapping based on what premise? Did clintoon tell Congress that he was doing this?

Now that we are at war with a formidable foe, the LSM claims it's suddenly NOT ok for Bush to wiretap on the advice of the AG and WH legal staff? Bush did notify Congress he was doing it, by the way.

How can the LSM live with itself? I wonder how long they'll keep this story buried.


48 posted on 12/18/2005 7:47:51 PM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: harpu
I chased your link a little bit and found THIS right away.... President Clinton implemented the new powers through Executive Order 12949.<5> Apart from giving the FISC physical search powers, the executive order also authorized the Attorney General “to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by [FISA].”<6> http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/fiscshort.html For Immediate Release February 9, 1995 EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949 - - - - - - - FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ("Act") (50 U.S.C. 1801, et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- 359, and in order to provide for the authorization of physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes as set forth in the Act, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section. Sec. 2. Pursuant to section 302(b) of the Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court under section 303 of the Act to obtain orders for physical searches for the purpose of collecting foreign intelligence information. Sec. 3. Pursuant to section 303(a)(7) of the Act, the following officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national security or defense, is designated to make the certifications required by section 303(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications to conduct physical searches: (a) Secretary of State; (b) Secretary of Defense; (c) Director of Central Intelligence; (d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; (e) Deputy Secretary of State; (f) Deputy Secretary of Defense; and (g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence. None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. WILLIAM J. CLINTON THE WHITE HOUSE, February 9, 1995. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
49 posted on 12/18/2005 7:49:02 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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50 posted on 12/18/2005 7:49:33 PM PST by Snoopers-868th (Borrowed tagline: Who do I vote for-the Republicans are socialist and the Democrats are Communist)
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