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Under Ocean Volcanoes Warming Water
iceagenow.com ^ | unknown | Robert Felix

Posted on 12/19/2005 2:54:11 AM PST by beyond the sea

Under Ocean Volcanoes Warming Water (Global Warming)

(snips) A few reports on this ongoing phenomenon:

Underwater Volcanoes Erupting Simultaneously All Over the World - March 14, 2005 -

Hundreds of underwater volcanoes are erupting all over the world, especially around the Ring of Fire, reports the India Daily.

Underwater volcanoes are erupting in Australia, Greece, New Zealand and many other countries including the American Northwest, which is experiencing an unprecedented level of underwater volcanism. Andaman Nicobar Island is experiencing underwater volcanism in both the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal.

Tectonic movements have gone up by several folds in the last nine months, say geologists, so much so that they don’t have enough monitoring mechanisms to keep track.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1904.asp

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More than 4,300 undersea earthquakes in five days!

- March 7, 2005 – "It might be a volcanic eruption or a magma event on the ridge," said Garry Rogers, a seismologist with the Geological Survey of Canada in Vancouver , B.C. "These earthquake swarms are associated with sea floor spreading [underwater volcanic activity]," said Robert P. Dziak, an oceanographer at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport, Oregon.

The undersea quakes, about a mile-and-a-half below the ocean surface, weren’t large enough to trigger a tsunami, so the experts advise us not to worry.

I hope they’re correct, but if there’s a tremendous amount of magma pouring into the ocean I think we have a problem. The magma could be as much as 2,150 degrees Fahrenheit - 10 times the boiling point – which could lead to much warmer seas and thence to an ice age.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apscience_story.asp?category=6420&slu g=CAN%20Undersea%20Quakes

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Underwater volcano found off Antarctic coast. May 21, 2004. The National Science Foundation announced yesterday that a previously unknown underwater volcano has been discovered in an area known as the Antarctic Sound at the northernmost tip of Antarctica. Dredges on the research vessel Lawrence M. Gould “recovered abundant fresh basalt.” Although large areas of the volcano were colonized by submarine life, none was found around the volcano itself, indicating that lava had flowed fairly recently. Temperature probes showed signs of geothermal heating of seawater. http://www.nsf.gov/home/news.html#story1

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Underwater volcanic activity in the Arctic Ocean far stronger than anyone imagined.

(Snip) – German-American researchers have discovered more hydrothermal activity at the Gakkel Ridge in the Arctic Ocean than anyone ever imagined.

"The Gakkel ridge is a gigantic volcanic mountain chain stretching beneath the Arctic Ocean. With its deep valleys 5,500 meters beneath the sea surface and its 5,000 meter- high summits, Gakkel ridge is far mightier than the Alps."

Two research icebreakers, the "USCGC Healy" from USA and the German "PFS Polarstern," recently joined forces in the international expedition AMORE (Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition). In attendance were scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and other international institutions.

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Popping rocks reveal multiple underwater volcanoes off northern Mexico – 27 Oct 2005 - “Noisy popping rocks hauled up from the deep Pacific seafloor off northern Mexico appear to be from a very young undersea volcano, say U.S. and Mexican geologists.

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Underwater volcanoes pose tsunami threat – July 28, 2005 – Seventy five previously unknown underwater volcanoes between New Zealand and Tonga pose a tsunami threat, warns Australian geologist Professor Richard Arculus.

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Underwater volcano erupting 700 miles SE of Tokyo - July 3, 2005 - The coast guard sent helicopters to monitor a huge column of steam more than half-a-mile wide rising above the Pacific Ocean southeast of Tokyo, and warned ships to stay away. The water in the area was brick-red.

"It's highly likely that it's caused by an eruption of an underwater volcano," coast guard spokesman Shigeyuki Sato said.

"We suspect the undersea volcanic moves are becoming active," said another coast guard official.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4646185.stm

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Underwater volcano grows 1,000 feet in four years – May 25, 2005 - On an expedition to observe the Vailulu'u Volcano, an underwater volcano discovered in 1999 near American Samoa, scientists saw another volcano growing out of the first, like the island in the middle of Crater Lake .

Scientists dubbed the new volcano, about 20 miles (32 km) east of the island of Ta'u , Nafanua after the Samoan goddess of war. Growing at a rate of about 8 inches (20 cm) a day, Nafanua measured nearly 1,000 feet (300 meters) high. It could go much higher, said geologist Hubert Staudigel from the University of California at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography

The scientists were so amazed to find eels living in the newly formed lava that they nicknamed the population "Eel City." (Knowing that the temperature of the basalt should be around 2150 degrees Fahrenheit, I wonder why don’t we see any comments about how much heat underwater volcanoes must be pouring into the seas?)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7984261/?GT1=6542


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This could explain a few things about warming water and melting ice.
1 posted on 12/19/2005 2:54:12 AM PST by beyond the sea
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To: beyond the sea
I hope they’re correct, but if there’s a tremendous amount of magma pouring into the ocean I think we have a problem. The magma could be as much as 2,150 degrees Fahrenheit - 10 times the boiling point – which could lead to much warmer seas and thence to an ice age.

Where do they get these science writers? Good grief!

2 posted on 12/19/2005 3:03:06 AM PST by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: beyond the sea

ring of fire bump for johnny


3 posted on 12/19/2005 3:08:35 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: burzum

I could never understand the "warming oceans equals new ice age" logic, either. It's all a bunch of hooey. They're just covering all the bases so no matter what happens they can come back and say: "See? We were right!"


4 posted on 12/19/2005 3:08:56 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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To: beyond the sea
This could explain a few things about warming water and melting ice.

No matter, it's still Bush's fault.

Here's my preferred means of melting ice, with a bit of tonic mixed in:


5 posted on 12/19/2005 3:10:51 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 2500 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: burzum
...which could lead to much warmer seas and thence to an ice age...Where do they get these science writers? Good grief!

If you're referring to the comment about warmer seas leading to an ice age, that's not so ridiculous; warmer seas lead to more atmospheric moisture which snows out at the poles etc... but I suspect that a source with a name like "iceagenow" may not be perfectly unbiased.

6 posted on 12/19/2005 3:12:24 AM PST by Grut
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To: burzum
if there’s a tremendous amount of magma pouring into the ocean I think we have a problem. The magma could be as much as 2,150 degrees Fahrenheit - 10 times the boiling point

I have no idea how hot magma is. I just heard about the heat of McDonald's hot coffee.

7 posted on 12/19/2005 3:13:53 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: manwiththehands
No, I was specifically commenting on the fact that the writer thought that 2150 F is ten times the boiling point.

Of what? Water at atmospheric pressure?

That temperature is 373 K. 2150 F is 1450 K, certainly not ten times the value. In any other case (such as the boiling point of water under high pressure--such as the bottom of the ocean), the ratio is even lower.

A person who writes about science should know better. A first year physics student would know better. It is obvious that the author forgot about the thermodynamic temperature scale.
8 posted on 12/19/2005 3:15:05 AM PST by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: beyond the sea

Shoot! If only we had signed Kyoto...


9 posted on 12/19/2005 3:17:02 AM PST by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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To: sure_fine
ring of fire bump for johnny

LOL

Ring of Fire

http://www.crystalinks.com/rof.html

10 posted on 12/19/2005 3:19:23 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: beyond the sea
See, this is what happens when you don't ratify the Kyoto Accord. Rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere coupled with oil drilling in Alaska has raised the temperature of the earth's crust...

"Underwater volcano erupting 700 miles SE of Tokyo - July 3, 2005 - The coast guard sent helicopters to monitor a huge column of steam more than half-a-mile wide rising above the Pacific Ocean southeast of Tokyo, and warned ships to stay away. The water in the area was brick-red."

Soon, Godzilla will be destroying Tokyo and there is nothing any one will be able to do to stop it.
11 posted on 12/19/2005 3:19:53 AM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: burzum
The magma could be as much as 2,150 degrees Fahrenheit - 10 times the boiling point

Hey - 2150 degrees F = 1177 degrees C - that's over ELEVEN times the boiling point !!!

12 posted on 12/19/2005 3:19:57 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Night Hides Not
LOL.

I could use something right about now to melt the compacted snow and ice on my 650 foot driveway.

13 posted on 12/19/2005 3:21:09 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I hope you are joking, but if you are not: convert your values to kelvins and then compare.
14 posted on 12/19/2005 3:22:30 AM PST by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: burzum
I hope you are joking

Yes, I know how to operate a thermometer.

15 posted on 12/19/2005 3:24:21 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Grut; burzum; Night Hides Not; manwiththehands
but I suspect that a source with a name like "iceagenow" may not be perfectly unbiased.

That's true, but some times some things are just facts. These volcanoes are a reality.

We know more about our solar system than we do about under our oceans and the interior of the earth.

;-)

16 posted on 12/19/2005 3:24:48 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: beyond the sea

India Daily? That's a New Jersey-based sham news blog.


17 posted on 12/19/2005 3:30:09 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: burzum

Boiling point at sea level is 212 F so, since he's talking F for the temp of the magma, I guess that's where he figured it's 10 times the boiling point of water.


18 posted on 12/19/2005 3:40:21 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: CarrotAndStick
That's a New Jersey-based sham news blog.

Which paper broke the Monica story? Which paper broke the Jesse Jackson fathering a child outside his marriage story?

Sometimes the "rags" get it right.

19 posted on 12/19/2005 3:41:19 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: beyond the sea

I always have to be careful when interpreting geophysical actions into changes in climate. For example many scientists believe that the great end of Permian extinction event that occured 250 million years ago was due to immense volcanic activity. Some say that the volcanic activity may have superheated the Earth's atmosphere while others say it may have sent up ash that blocked out the sunlight cooling the atmosphere. Vastly different estimations from roughly the same event.

In this case we are talking about under-ocean volcanoes warming the oceans. I'm not sure that I agree with that argument. It's not that I don't think that underwater volcanoes wouldn't heat the oceans (they probably would if they were not allowed to send any ejecta into the atmosphere), it's just that I don't think I agree with the premise that the ring of fire has gone into a super-active phase. I studied geophysics for 2 years before I got sick of it and one thing I learned is that the Earth rarely suddenly changes its behavior. Volcanic activity will scale up over millions or billions of years, not tens of years. If there is a high value for one year it will be averaged out statistically.

I give a lot more credibility to arguments that the Sun, CO2, or methane gas hydrate release is warming the oceans than to a change in the Earth itself. It's a positive feedback cycle: the Sun heats the oceans which emit CO2 and methane, which further heats the atmosphere as greenhouse gasses. Obviously there must be some negative feedback cycle or the Earth would have long ago spiraled off into oblivion. I'm guessing that that negative feedback is due to plankton and phytoplankton that thrive at higher temperatures, reflecting more sunlight away.


20 posted on 12/19/2005 3:43:01 AM PST by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: beyond the sea

I don't think it was "India Daily", or am I wrong? I am not condemning blogs, but this particular site has a lot of sham articles sitting cozy with legitimate ones. Especially ones on UFOs and the like. I suggest you go visit the site, and be amused.

And did I mention the site is based in New Jersey?


21 posted on 12/19/2005 3:46:07 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: burzum
Thanks. I see that now. Didn't get that far in your post ... still waiting for the caffeine to kick in ...
22 posted on 12/19/2005 3:54:03 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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To: CarrotAndStick
I suggest you go visit the site, and be amused

I did.

23 posted on 12/19/2005 3:55:23 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: beyond the sea

Maybe they do have legit articles in there, but some of them are ridiculously idiotic. Hence my suspicion.


24 posted on 12/19/2005 3:57:33 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: manwiththehands
The theory behind the "warming oceans equals ice age" is this:

The warmer oceans cause more storms to form, thus dumping more snow than usual in the polar regions. All this snow takes longer and longer to melt until eventually it starts sticking year round and the ice caps start to grow.

That's the theory anyhow. Could very well be a bunch of bunk but just wanted to put that out there.

25 posted on 12/19/2005 4:00:10 AM PST by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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It's Bush's fault!!!!!!!!!!!! He'd better get some anti-underwater volcano legislation proposed or the Dems are gonna win back the house and senate. This just in, the sky is falling and killing just minorities and left wing journalists. Early reports suggest that the Bush administration ordered the U.S. military to make the sky fall. More as this story develops.


26 posted on 12/19/2005 4:00:54 AM PST by crghill
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To: beyond the sea

Bump.


27 posted on 12/19/2005 4:01:53 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: CarrotAndStick

If you Google "underwater volcano 2005", most of these articles come up. Some of them are from mainstream sources...


28 posted on 12/19/2005 4:02:58 AM PST by Ike
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To: CarrotAndStick

By the way, most of the stories in the above thread are from other sources than the India Daily.


29 posted on 12/19/2005 4:03:33 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: Ike

Right. It's all very real.


30 posted on 12/19/2005 4:04:20 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: Ike; beyond the sea

I may have been wrong then.


31 posted on 12/19/2005 4:04:28 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: manwiththehands
I could never understand the "warming oceans equals new ice age" logic, either. It's all a bunch of hooey. They're just covering all the bases so no matter what happens they can come back and say: "See? We were right!"

LOL.... ditto that.

32 posted on 12/19/2005 4:04:39 AM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: beyond the sea
Could also explain the increased number of really fierce hurricanes and typhoons.

They feed off of warmer water.

33 posted on 12/19/2005 4:04:57 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: manwiththehands
I could never understand the "warming oceans equals new ice age" logic, either.

What's wrong with you? Haven't you noticed the ice on the walls of the sauna? or around the edges of your hot tub? Good Grief!

;^)

34 posted on 12/19/2005 4:09:10 AM PST by Loud Mime (Bad Lawmakers = Bad Law = Infinite Lawyers)
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To: Victor
Could also explain the increased number of really fierce hurricanes and typhoons. They feed off of warmer water.

Possible. There is a lot going on down there that we know very little about. Just actually think about how huge the oceans really are.

Check out this site if you'd like:

http://venturedeepocean.org/vents/seawater.html

35 posted on 12/19/2005 4:10:45 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: manwiththehands
If you go to the site,Not by Fire but by Ice, you will see that Felix is trying to debunk the global warming crowd. According to Felix, we are about to enter a new ice age, which is a cyclical event that occurs every 11,500 years. It has nothing to do with man.

The warming of the ocean by volcanic activity releases more CO2 into the atmosphere. It has nothing to do with human activity. It is not global warming, but ocean warming.

36 posted on 12/19/2005 4:10:49 AM PST by kabar
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To: burzum

LOL... I guess 106 F would be 'half boiling' and 64 F is 'twice the melting point'...


37 posted on 12/19/2005 4:11:06 AM PST by Sloth (Freedom of speech doesn't mean the rest of us have to shut up.)
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To: Left2Right

thank you for the early morning laugh!


38 posted on 12/19/2005 4:13:28 AM PST by Loud Mime (Bad Lawmakers = Bad Law = Infinite Lawyers)
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To: SamAdams76
Yep, I know the theory. I saw the "documentary" The Day After Tomorrow!

But it would seem to me to be self-regulating. Warming climate causes polar ice caps to melt, causing more storms, causing more snow to fall on the ice caps.

Maybe our planet is smarter than we are.

39 posted on 12/19/2005 4:15:57 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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To: burzum

You're right. This gives no real information as to how much heat is actually being added to the water.


40 posted on 12/19/2005 4:16:03 AM PST by wolfpat (Your, you're, yore: Learn the difference.)
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To: beyond the sea

I guess this was just overlooked by the super genius's that blame Humans for Global Warming.


41 posted on 12/19/2005 4:17:01 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: kabar; manwiththehands
If you go to the site,Not by Fire but by Ice, you will see that Felix is trying to debunk the global warming crowd. According to Felix, we are about to enter a new ice age, which is a cyclical event that occurs every 11,500 years. It has nothing to do with man. ................. The warming of the ocean by volcanic activity releases more CO2 into the atmosphere. It has nothing to do with human activity. It is not global warming, but ocean warming.

Thank you!

42 posted on 12/19/2005 4:19:39 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: manwiththehands
Maybe our planet is smarter than we are.

LOL.......... for sure.

;-)

43 posted on 12/19/2005 4:20:49 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: sgtbono2002; manwiththehands; SamAdams76; kabar; Victor; Ike
I guess this was just overlooked by the super geniuses that blame Humans for Global Warming.

Yes.

It's very convenient that enviro-weenies have avoided the reality of this important phenomenon for decades in their zest to blame all of "Global Warming" on man and evil capitalism.

;-)

44 posted on 12/19/2005 4:25:10 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: beyond the sea

It's still Bush's fault ... somehow.


45 posted on 12/19/2005 4:26:24 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: All

A chilling article...


46 posted on 12/19/2005 4:28:18 AM PST by bennowens
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To: beyond the sea

I read the book. Felix makes a very compelling case that we are entering a new ice age.


47 posted on 12/19/2005 4:28:19 AM PST by kabar
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To: burzum
The writer probably never took physics, and the vast majority of the readers have not, either. Converting the temps to an arcane rubric like Kelvin scale (which no one except scientists use) is rather silly for a newspaper article. I took enough physics to get me thru pchem (one year) and cannot remember when I used the Kelvin scale once in the succeeding 29 years.

You made your point. You are technically correct and most of us don't understand......., nor do we care.

48 posted on 12/19/2005 4:30:48 AM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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To: kabar
Felix makes a very compelling case that we are entering a new ice age.

Yes he does. He is a serious man with no apparent ax to grind.

49 posted on 12/19/2005 4:30:55 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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To: chronic_loser
My point is that a person who is trying to convince you that an event is occurring and is citing scientific articles should have at least a basic background in the sciences. I don't really care if you know the Kelvin scale. You aren't writing the article and drawing the conclusions.
50 posted on 12/19/2005 4:38:58 AM PST by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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