NEW STUDY SHOWS CHANGING EVANGELICAL VIEWS ON ISLAM SINCE 9/11

Religion News ^ | Dec 14th, 2005 | Richard Ciminio

[Nathan Zachary]

So, they are studying evangelical books to figure out what Islam is all about? why don't these idiots just read the Koran and hadith and figure it out for themselves. The reason evangelical views of Islam have changed for the worse is because more of them are actually looking at what the hate filled koran and hadith have to say, and are coming to realize that Islam isn't about God at all, in fact the god of Islam is quite the opposite of the Christian God. Islam is Satan's religion, His "bible" is the Koran, in which Satan becomes the "god" he has always wanted to be. Why else is there an endless call to kill all the Jews and Christians in the Koran and hadith? Why else is Satan's version of "heaven" a brothel filled with material lusts? Why else is robbery and mass murder, rape and pillage, slavery, and torture ordained and therefore "good" for those who pledge themselves to Islam?

It doesn't take rocket science to learn what Islam is all about. After all, the world's dummbest, least educated of all seem to figure it out quite easily and become willing Jihadists.

[Nathan Zachary]

"I'm a Bible believing Christian. Is my counterpart in Islam a murdering terrorist?"

Yes. They are the ones who follow the Koran and Muhammad's example as it is written.

Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound themselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”

Qur’an 8:60 “And make ready against the infidels all of the power you can, including steeds of war [the Noble Qur’an says these are: tanks, planes, missiles, and artillery] to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy. And whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause shall be repaid unto you.”

Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”

Just as you would be a hypocrate for pretending to be a Christian, but not heeding the Savior's words.

[PaulaB]

LOL

AMEN ;)

[Forest Keeper]

Just as you would be a hypocrite for pretending to be a Christian, but not heeding the Savior's words.

Thanks for the citations. That also might explain why so many Muslim leaders worldwide have failed to condemn the terrorists or even declare a jihad of their own against the "heretics".

[Nathan Zachary]

"That also might explain why so many Muslim leaders worldwide have failed to condemn the terrorists or even declare a jihad of their own against the "heretics".

Exactly. The truth is, they can't. All the Jihadist has to do is point it out in the Koran or hadith. For most, depending on where they live, it could cost them their lives.

The reason Islam cannot be reformed is it's forbidden to abrograte the Koran and hadith. It's hopelesly stuck in the 7th century. It's a totalitarian system of government, law, religion all rolled into one, which is why it is incompatible with democracy and man made law. All laws in Islam come from Allah and Muhammad's example, which is gruesome to say the least.

[madconservative]

An excellent question.

I have often made a similar argument. Basically, I feel that in order to compare two systems, you must compare ideal versus ideal, and actual versus actual. It's about the only thing I kept from Sociology 101;)

Typically, the media likes to compare "Christendom", the perceived Christian actual, to the Islamic ideal. I.e., they will compare fundamentally unchristian historic atrocities done under the guise of Christianity to the Islamic ideal (a world where non-muslims are kidnapped, killed, and/or enslaved), and declare moral equivalence. Alternatively, they compare Biblical Christian ideals with "muslims" who, are against violence in direct opposition to the koran.

Clearly, both comparisons tend toward equivalence, but both are logically unsound. The fact is, a Christian committing atrocities in the name of his/her religion does so in contradiction to the Christianity espoused by Christ, the 12 Apostles, and Paul. A muslim who kills in the name of islam does so in obedience to mohammed. A Christian who seeks to peacefully spread Christianity with respect to freedom of conscience does do in accord with Scripture. A muslim who employs similar tactics does so against their "holy" writings, and is considered nearly an infidel.

The media loves to declare "muslim extremists" to be in a state of disobedience to the koran and the saying of mohammed, but this is simply not so. These are not the "bad" muslims, but rather the "good" ones. They are not extremists, but simply devout.

Try telling an Al-Queda member that his beliefs are outside of islam, and then try in vain to support this view using muslim writings (if he has not yet beheaded you). The only equivalence to this view would be going o a devout Christian and arguing that he must advocate homosexuality or abortion to maintain his status as a believer...

[madconservative]

Your post is great. I would like to use it in the future. What is the source? Can you site where I can verify that each of these is true?

[tophat9000]

I'm a Bible believing Christian. Is my counterpart in Islam a murdering terrorist?

No your counterpart is a Koran believing Muslim.... however you that have to look at that differences in what the Bible vs Koran teach

[2banana]

Your post is great. I would like to use it in the future. What is the source? Can you site where I can verify that each of these is true?

By hunting around, by country, the US State Department Human Rights Reports...

[Forest Keeper]

The media loves to declare "muslim extremists" to be in a state of disobedience to the koran and the saying of mohammed, but this is simply not so. These are not the "bad" muslims, but rather the "good" ones. They are not extremists, but simply devout.

Try telling an Al-Queda member that his beliefs are outside of islam, and then try in vain to support this view using muslim writings (if he has not yet beheaded you). The only equivalence to this view would be going o a devout Christian and arguing that he must advocate homosexuality or abortion to maintain his status as a believer...

Thanks for your whole post. I like the idea of comparing ideal vs. actual. You're exactly right. It is very discomforting to think of devout Muslims being the true enemy, but what else are we to conclude given what they do and do not say about themselves?

[backhoe]

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

[Clemenza]

Evangelicals "get it."

Many Catholics "get it" but Pope Benedict does not.