I'm going to keep yelling it from the rooftops. The key point all these reports neglect is that these taps were on calls and e-mails either originating or terminating internationally. This is not domestic spying.
No the key point is that President Bush actually has probable cause to do this, what was Cliton's reason?
Filtering out internet porn sites to see who was into giving BJs on the cheap?
This is an effort to stop the very effective protection of the U.S.
Notice we have had NO attacks since 9/11 here. Well the Times, the media and the democrats will see to it that there are attacks here. We are seeing that action in progress.
And, note - it will be the responsibility of the media, the Times and the Democrats. Do you really want a democrat protecting your country? Notice how they do it.
By abetting all enemies in and out of this country.
Exactly. And this morning, I finally figured out why they could not go to the Courts for regular wiretap warrants. The targets of the surveillance were identified by their association with known or suspected foreign terrorists. Those associations would in most cases have come from NSA monitoring of the communications of these foreign overseas terrorists. That information would not be releasable to a court, and of course there might also be questions of timeliness.
Additionally, and possibly more importantly, the terrorists overseas would suspect that the US was monitoring their calls, and thus would change numbers frequently to throw the monitors off. Those in the US would be less paranoid, and thus monitoring their calls would reveal the changed numbers of the overseas end of the line. It would not in many cases be necessary to monitor what was said on those calls monitored by the US number, only the "who was called" information would be needed, and then those numbers could be monitored for content. However I'd monitor the content of the calls to and from the US numbers as well.
It would be interesting to know how many of those monitored were US citizens, how many were legal immigrants, and how many were illegals, including people who had overstayed legitimate visas as well as those with falsified papers.
If the president is not spying domestically, then where are the complaints that he isn't doing enough to keep the country safe? If we are so concerned with national security, shouldn't the president's reach be extended to include domestic spying? After all, there may be terrorists here already. Why not tap every phone in the U.S. and be done with it?
"I'm going to keep yelling it from the rooftops. The key point all these reports neglect is that these taps were on calls and e-mails either originating or terminating internationally. This is not domestic spying."
Keep yelling. I tried to explain this yesterday by comparing it to a package delivered from Germany to Chicago. It's certainly not a domestic delivery if it originated from Europe. It's international mail.
The dems know this but by continuing to lie, they hope that more morons will agree to their slant on the argument.
If one of the parties is in the U.S., then it's domestic spying. And your statement isn't necessarily true.
A surveillance program approved by President Bush to conduct eavesdropping without warrants has captured what are purely domestic communications in some cases, despite a requirement by the White House that one end of the intercepted conversations take place on foreign soil, officials say.
The officials say the National Security Agency's interception of a small number of communications between people within the United States was apparently accidental, and was caused by technical glitches at the National Security Agency in determining whether a communication was in fact "international."
Telecommunications experts say the issue points up troubling logistical questions about the program. At a time when communications networks are increasingly globalized, it is sometimes difficult even for the N.S.A. to determine whether someone is inside or outside the United States when making a cellphone call or sending an e-mail message. As a result, people that the security agency may think are outside the United States are actually on American soil.
National security and telecommunications experts said that even if the N.S.A. seeks to adhere closely to the rules that Mr. Bush has set, the logistics of the program may make it difficult to ensure that the rules are being followed.
With roaming cellphones, internationally routed e-mail, and voice-over Internet technology, "it's often tough to find out where a call started and ended," said Robert Morris, a former senior scientist at the N.S.A. who is retired. "The N.S.A. is good at it, but it's difficult even for them. Where a call actually came from is often a mystery."
Bump! I haven’t heard Echelon being brought up yet. Haven’t heard of Echelon in a very long time.