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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: Alter Kaker

I forgot to add the sarcasm but I am sure you got that. Never really have found in all my reading where evolution is scientifically proven. The evolution crowd still can't get around creating something from nothing though. I can't find a way around that one to start let alone the complexities of the universe.


41 posted on 12/20/2005 8:14:42 AM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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To: bulldozer
When it is God's hand which is holding atoms together, which is the reason God belongs in the science classroom.

Sure, God made the rain fall, so why bother learning about silly things like the water cycle. /sarc

42 posted on 12/20/2005 8:15:05 AM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: bulldozer

Yes but who's version of God, would that be a Catholic version, or do we all get a couple of snakes and go at it.


43 posted on 12/20/2005 8:15:23 AM PST by JNL
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To: Doc Savage
Obviously the Judge flunked Bio 101.

Obviously the Judge all the biology we've done since the late 19th century flunked Bio 101.

44 posted on 12/20/2005 8:15:27 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Another judge (an agent of the government) making an official government proclamation about what is and isn't religion.

Well, duh -- that is a necessary judicial function.

For example, if some clown in the federal pen declares that he just converted to a religion that requires him to dine on sirloin steak and pistachio ice cream every day and sues to be provided with those delicacies, then the judge is going to have to rule on whether or not this is a genuine religion or an excuse to pester the prison authorities. The same principle applies here.

46 posted on 12/20/2005 8:15:47 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Doc Savage

So now it is going to be unlawful to read a classroom as statement that their is some problems with ToE, and there are other books in the library that promote ID for reading if they wish to explore them.
Sounds like another victory for the ACLU and their supporters. No big suprise.


47 posted on 12/20/2005 8:15:58 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: laxin4him

"The evolution crowd still can't get around creating something from nothing though. "

Gosh all rooty. And guess what, evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life at all. So, they're not involved in that little struggle.


48 posted on 12/20/2005 8:16:10 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: snarks_when_bored
I look forward to reading the decision. Sounds like a blow against faux-Christian Bible-idolatry, but whether it's a clear-cut victory for science remains to be seen.

In some circles, to say that "evolution is compatible with Christianity" would require that evolution be banned from the classroom on those grounds. (I hope that's a joke!)

49 posted on 12/20/2005 8:16:46 AM PST by Physicist
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To: GregoTX

"So now it is going to be unlawful to read a classroom as statement that their is some problems with ToE"

Oh, my. "their is some problems, " eh? I'll say there are some problems, and they aren't with evolution. Perhaps we need better instruction in English in our schools.


51 posted on 12/20/2005 8:18:16 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: bubman

Those who think creation precludes evolution can check back here also.


52 posted on 12/20/2005 8:18:18 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Shall we debate here what is and what is not 'religion'? Resolved; a statement of faith, "I believe", is sufficient to establish a religion.

I believe in the precision and accuracy of my perception of the universe.


53 posted on 12/20/2005 8:18:51 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: AntiGuv

If you try and believe that evolution and Christianity are compatible how do you explain the genealogy in Matthew that goes back all the way to Adam? If it is not literal history it would be a lie and thus the bible could be full of lies. It says Adam and Eve were the first humans but I guess it would be silly to trace it back before adam and include the monkees huh?

Not sure how it would eviscerate Genesis being literal history though. Maybe you could help me on that one.


54 posted on 12/20/2005 8:18:56 AM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Good! I'm sick and tired of these people trying to put this religious ID or creation stuff in empirical science.

I guess the ID/Creationism nightmare is coming true. Actual scientific theories based on facts will be taught in the science classroom.

55 posted on 12/20/2005 8:18:58 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: airforceF4

I agree, but he "decided" in the legal sense, in his "decision."


56 posted on 12/20/2005 8:19:05 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: sausageseller

> BTW ,Your post is moronic.

Watch your language, please.

I applaud the decision.


57 posted on 12/20/2005 8:19:05 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Doc Savage

Then again, the literal interpretation of Genesis is already eviscerated by the scientific evidence. My point being that just because a God is proven to exist would hardly make the overwhelming evidence supporting the theory of evolution vanish. It would merely indicate that the God which exists is some God other than the one you imagine to exist.


58 posted on 12/20/2005 8:19:11 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: RadioAstronomer
Merry Kitzmas to you!
59 posted on 12/20/2005 8:19:30 AM PST by Physicist
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To: snarks_when_bored
This is about as comprehensive a defeat for ID as one could have wished for. The decision clearly states you can't separate ID from its creationist antecedents; and that material critical of evolution, when entered with the purpose of furthering ID, is in itself impermissible.

This is a 70-zip blowout.

60 posted on 12/20/2005 8:19:32 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (Liberals have hijacked science for long enough. Now it's our turn -- Tom Bethell)
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