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Judge Rules Against 'Intelligent Design'
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Posted on 12/20/2005 8:16:05 AM PST by GSlob

HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. The Dover Area School Board violated the Constitution when it ordered that its biology curriculum must include "intelligent design," the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III ruled Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; dovertrial; evolution; intelligentdesign; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: mlc9852
The evos count on censorship!

No, they just count on religion being taught in the churches, temples, mosques, Scientology camps and Branch Davidian compounds where it belongs - not in public schools.
41 posted on 12/20/2005 9:08:37 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
And that is why more and more are homeschooling. Homeschoolers generally do much better than those locked away in government brainwashing institutions anyway.
42 posted on 12/20/2005 9:11:29 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Getready
However, the kids WANTED to talk about God. Each and every time we studied evolution. I fail to understand how talking about what some people believe along with the scientific evidence for evolution is a problem.

You said:Doesn't the fact that people are in arms cuz their theory is challenged tell you something?

Yes, it does. The folks who want only evolution taught have certainly been up in arms over the mention of aything else. So, it does indeed tell me something.

Thanks for your post.

susie

43 posted on 12/20/2005 9:17:18 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Unfortunately there are alot of subjects kids learn about where religion and religious belief do and SHOULD come up. Interestingly, our founding fathers (who I presume were way smarter than I) did not seem to have a problem with God in the public square.
susie


44 posted on 12/20/2005 9:22:16 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: brytlea
I just honestly think that we have people who are literally trying to supress any other viewpoint.

Good point!

If both science and religion are about 'truth', how can anyone expect to understand what is and isn't 'true' if we only get to hear one side of the story?

I see nothing wrong with teaching evolution in science and having a theology course to teach ID.

The former could dissect the mechanics of life while the latter expounded on the miracle of it.

Having one side trying to completely eradicate any mention of the other does students a HUGE disservice, IMHO!

45 posted on 12/20/2005 9:23:38 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity', nor am I a *person* as created by `law`!)
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To: wallcrawlr

Wallcrawler - Sorry, Igot caught in a conference call. Here is a previous post, excuse the vanity:

The polarization disturbs me as well, both as a Believer, and an oath-sworn scientist seeking the truth.

4,500+ million years ago there is light

3,500 million years ago - Precambrian (began), ooze, photosynthetic life appearing late

600 million years ago - Cambrian, explosion of marine life forms, huge variety

425 million years ago - Silurian, explosion of land life forms, first plants

405 million years ago - Devonian, first seed plants (in only 20 mil yr! We gardeners appreciate the difference), first amphibians

220 million years ago - Triassic, dinosaurs

181 million years ago - Jurassic, first flowering plants, birds

135 million years ago - Cretaceous, monocotyledons, oak and maple forests, Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rocky Mountains the extinction of the dinosaurs as a finale. The K/T discontinuity world-wide.

65 million years ago - Tertiary, 35 mil yrs Oligocene Epoch appearance of most moderen genera of mammals and monocotyledons

0.004 million years ago civilizations learn to write, all over the world at about the same time.

0.002 million years ago philosophy is advanced enough to describe the New Covenant in The best Greek of the New Testament, the Book of Hebrews, to Jews in Rome. Would that our society were as well read.

0.002 million years later Free Republic provides a forum, as the Nation Under God is bringing Liberty to the Cradle of Civilization and the birthplace of Abraham, the site of Daniel's vision of the Ancient of Days the repository of the treasures of the first Temple, the captivity of Israel.

Life on this earth, on this planet with a molten core, a magnetic field, plate tectonics ( understood in only our lifetimes), distributed continents and a single moon so large as to cause our oceans to breathe, has developed in the last seconds of the last minutes of the last hour of the clock of the firmament.

And yes, I am still stubborn and stiff-necked. And I have no right to be here, but for prevenient grace.


46 posted on 12/20/2005 9:24:07 AM PST by BuglerTex (Thank God for our molten core and our large moon)
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To: GSlob


JUDICIAL ACTIVISM


47 posted on 12/20/2005 9:26:35 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: brytlea

I don't think we nec understand the creation story in the Bible as written, so the ideas in evolution aren't a hot button issue for me. I just honestly think that we have people who are literally trying to supress any other viewpoint. Where is the diversity?

Biology class is for biology. Students should be taught science. Scientific theories make testable predictions about the world we live in. Science helps us understand our natural world as it is. Scientists use science to understand biology and disease, develop new treatments and to predict where the natural world is headed. In schools, students should be trained in scientific thinking to participate in this endeavor.

Understanding evolution is fundamental to science. Why do bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics? Why do viruses affect some species but not others? Why does sickle cell trait reduce likelihood of malaria infection and therefore become a selected trait?

Belief in a creator does not constitute scientific thinking and will not help solve biological problems in the world we inhabit. I have no objection to teaching creationism or ID or alien origins or ghosts or exorcism or any other fantastical explanation of the world- in homes, in church, or in a private retreat.

But please leave science classes to science.


48 posted on 12/20/2005 9:31:24 AM PST by WritetheNews
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To: blowfish
Never took a science class, did you?

If my statement is wrong, then no I have not.

49 posted on 12/20/2005 9:35:37 AM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: GSlob
It is now illegal to have religious motivations as an educator or politician. At least according to this lame brain.

It does not matter if ID is scientifically sound. It does not matter if there is no mention of deity in the ID proposition. (Even though this would not be unconstitutional because it does not establish any particular religion.)

What matters to this nut is that the people who want ID openly express their faith.

They are guilty of being illegally motivated by religious faith.

BTW, ID does not contradict the evolutionary theory of speciation. It also does not explore theology. It is a postulate about the origins of life.

Most high school level or below discussion of evolution fails to make this clear distinction: evolution does not explain the existence of life.

ID is the best scientific hypothesis for the origin of life.
50 posted on 12/20/2005 9:39:00 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: WritetheNews
Biology class is for biology. Students should be taught science. Scientific theories make testable predictions about the world we live in.

There was plenty of speculation in our biology curriculum.

susie

51 posted on 12/20/2005 9:42:12 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: brytlea

susie, if you are a biology teacher, why are you playing this stupid, "but we must explore the options" crap? Do you encourage little Johnny and Suzie to explore the flying spaghetti monster story of creation as well?


52 posted on 12/20/2005 9:42:51 AM PST by jess35
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To: mlc9852

That's right and when their brainwashed, Christian, creationists daughter gets offered a possibility of entering the university's honors program at the local private, secular big name university, they don't know what to do with it.


53 posted on 12/20/2005 9:44:34 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blowfish

There is plenty of evidence of evolution. There is no proof. A good scientist should be open to new evidence and follow where it might lead. And in fact, that has happened over the years with evolutionary theory.

susie


54 posted on 12/20/2005 9:46:10 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: jess35

I'm not even going to bother answering your question as long as it is framed in insults. I will only say that just because someone's views don't line up with yours does not mean their views are stupid.
susie


55 posted on 12/20/2005 9:47:53 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: metmom
has much more scientific support than a lot of scientists give it credit for.

No kidding. Can you point us towards actual SCIENTIFIC studies that show the validity of the Biblical creation story?

Anxiously awaiting your scientific, peer reviewed, evidence....

56 posted on 12/20/2005 9:48:45 AM PST by jess35
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To: WritetheNews
Understanding evolution is fundamental to science

Understanding evolution is NOT fundamental to SCIENCE. There are many areas of science where evolution never even comes into play. Understanding the scientific method is fundamental to science and can be applied to the ToE but the ToE is not required to practice other branches of science.

57 posted on 12/20/2005 9:50:35 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MamaTexan
I see nothing wrong with teaching evolution in science and having a theology course to teach ID.

Proponents of ID have no desire to see it taught in a theology class. They demand that it be taught as science. That's what the fuss is all about.

58 posted on 12/20/2005 9:50:46 AM PST by jess35
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To: brytlea
I absolutely agree. It's not unusual to see reports of new discoveries in the fossil record and new discoveries in genetic research that cause biologists to revise and rethink portions on the evolutionary picture. It's quite exciting, especially with the major strides in genetic research these days.

I almost feel sad for IDers, who lack this kind of evidence and research; they can only look on from the sidelines....

59 posted on 12/20/2005 9:50:50 AM PST by blowfish
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To: metmom
Understanding evolution is NOT fundamental to SCIENCE.

But rejecting evolution requires rejecting all of science, particularly physics.

Check out the current Kent Hovind thread with 1500+ posts.

60 posted on 12/20/2005 9:52:34 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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