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Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so

Posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:47 AM PST by always thr constitution

I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days saying that Bush committed no crime because under the provisions of the USSID 18 and the FSIA, he could with perfect legitimacy eavesdrop on aliens involved in terrorist activities if he had AG approval.

However, what was puzzling is that Gonzales did not cite USSID 18; he cited the more dubious rationale of war powers approval. This would seem to indicate that Bush was spying on US citizens without a Court Order which clearly violates USSID 18 and the FSIA, and was using war powers approval to cover for it.

Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.

I never thought Bush would resort to such extreme measures to skirt the law. I hope I am wrong. Please tell me why Bush didn't do this.


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1 posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:50 AM PST by always thr constitution
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To: always thr constitution
IBTZ and FP! Yay me!
2 posted on 12/20/2005 8:50:18 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Buh-bye boys! Have fun stormin' the castle!)
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To: always thr constitution

IB4TZ!!!


3 posted on 12/20/2005 8:50:19 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: always thr constitution

BEAT IT TROLL


4 posted on 12/20/2005 8:50:20 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: always thr constitution

I like cheese. Do you like cheese?


5 posted on 12/20/2005 8:50:33 AM PST by TheBigB ("Hey, barkeep, whose leg do you have to hump to get a dry martini around here?"--Brian Griffin)
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To: Puppage

IBTZ WOOOHOOO


6 posted on 12/20/2005 8:50:44 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: always thr constitution

BTW, Echelon has figured out where you're posting from and they're comin' to getcha!


8 posted on 12/20/2005 8:50:56 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: TheBigB

9 posted on 12/20/2005 8:51:16 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: always thr constitution

You can go back to DU now DUdummy. Brand new liberal coming over to the free side to spread your whines. Go back. Zot.


10 posted on 12/20/2005 8:51:32 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I have no faith in any politician or political party any more. They all lie for their agendas.)
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To: always thr constitution; Darksheare

Goodie, IBTZ too! Calling the kitties!!!


11 posted on 12/20/2005 8:51:34 AM PST by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Democrat since 2001)
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To: always thr constitution
I have been arguing with stupid libs ...

In a hall of mirrors?

12 posted on 12/20/2005 8:51:55 AM PST by dighton
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To: italianquaker

13 posted on 12/20/2005 8:52:02 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: always thr constitution

Are you always this stupid or are you making a special effort today?


14 posted on 12/20/2005 8:53:55 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Puppage

If the poster is a "troll", then so is Bruce Fein, a former Reagan Deputy AG:

http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/bfein.htm


15 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:05 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: always thr constitution

NB4DZOT


16 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:21 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: always thr constitution

17 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:29 AM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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To: always thr constitution
Okay, I'll get right on it!

Oh, and while I'm busy researching for you, could you please tell me how lying under oath isn't perjury so I can go argue with those stupid right-wingers? Thanks so much!

18 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:32 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: always thr constitution

Meeoooooow...


19 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:37 AM PST by RockinRight (Itís likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: Puppage

I do enjoy seeing that Viking kitty and his trusty sword.


20 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:40 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: always thr constitution

Bill Clinton issued an executive order asserting the same authority that Bush used. Rational people can debate whether or not such is Constitutional. But since you're not rational, we'll just zot your arse instead.


21 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:43 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: always thr constitution

NO! It's that simple.


22 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:53 AM PST by fedupjohn (Kennedy Lied when MaryJo Kopechne died)
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To: always thr constitution
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23 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:06 AM PST by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: always thr constitution
How do you know about USSID 18? It is an Intelligence Directive, not law?


24 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:09 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: always thr constitution

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543806/posts

Thank You for Wiretapping (WSJ Editorial - Nails It)
Opinion Journal ^


Posted on 12/20/2005 12:36:39 AM CST by indianrightwinger


Thank You for Wiretapping Why the Founders made presidents dominant on national security


25 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:24 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: always thr constitution

get lost, pal...........


26 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:45 AM PST by joe fonebone (Well, since there's no other place around the place, ah reckon this must be the place..ah reckon!)
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To: always thr constitution

IB4TZ


27 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:46 AM PST by freedomlover (If you read this tag line, all your wildest dreams will come true.)
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To: always thr constitution

Valhalla, I am coming!


28 posted on 12/20/2005 8:57:27 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: always thr constitution

Even one of your hacks, Jamie Gorelick, disagrees with you. Oh, read my tagline and weep....


29 posted on 12/20/2005 8:57:27 AM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties and 'Rats: Over 3 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: freedomlover

Drat! Missed it.


30 posted on 12/20/2005 8:57:43 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: always thr constitution

31 posted on 12/20/2005 8:58:05 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: always thr constitution
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Title 50 of the U.S. Code, Chapter 36, Subchapter I, Section 1802, "Electronic surveillance authorization without court order," reads: "[T]he President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year," provided a series of conditions are met. Surveillance must be directed only at agents of foreign powers; there can be no likely surveillance of a "U.S. person" (more on this term below); and there must be strict congressional oversight in the intelligence committees. Mr. Bush says he has complied with these laws. And if the NSA ends up spying on a U.S. citizen? The "U.S. person" definition "does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power," according to the same law. An "agent of a foreign power" is anyone, citizen or otherwise, who "knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power." Which means that people who do not help al-Qaeda or other terrorists are safe from surveillance. Anyone who does, however, forfeits his rights and can be targeted for eavesdropping.
32 posted on 12/20/2005 8:58:14 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: always thr constitution
Hillary's Travel Office Scandal...

Hillary's 900+ FBI Files...

Hillary's $100,000 cattle futures profit...

I can't wait until she runs. I already have my bumper stickers printed up:

HILLARY
IS A CROOK


33 posted on 12/20/2005 8:58:26 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: joe fonebone
get lost, pal...........

Looks like that has been done for him.

What a speller, too. Can't even spell a username.

34 posted on 12/20/2005 8:58:40 AM PST by freedomlover (If you read this tag line, all your wildest dreams will come true.)
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To: joe fonebone
get lost, pal...........

Looks like that has been done for him.

What a speller, too. Can't even spell a username.

35 posted on 12/20/2005 8:58:43 AM PST by freedomlover (If you read this tag line, all your wildest dreams will come true.)
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To: linda_22003

So am I, I suppose, but the mature, intellectual arguments in the President's favor in the posts above lay a rigorous case in his favor < / sarcasm for the witless>.


36 posted on 12/20/2005 8:59:16 AM PST by jammer
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To: always thr constitution
Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.

What exactly do you think this is?

37 posted on 12/20/2005 8:59:33 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: always thr constitution

Perhaps it is classified. I know that doesn't concern Democrats but it does most Republicans.

Why should we disclose all of the tools in our arsenal to satisfy some idiots that are more intent upon bringing ruin to our republic?


38 posted on 12/20/2005 8:59:39 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: always thr constitution; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; ...
Confused zot!

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.

39 posted on 12/20/2005 9:00:25 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: always thr constitution

Oh, and find me the repercussions for violating USSID 18.


40 posted on 12/20/2005 9:00:43 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: always thr constitution

Been a long time since I've seen a real, honest to goodness troll.

Merry Christmas!


41 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:05 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: always thr constitution

42 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:10 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: darkwing104

That's no bunny!


43 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:23 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows.)
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To: linda_22003
Please Linda, you're going to ruin a perfectly good "troll frenzy"
44 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:46 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: always thr constitution

Ave et vale!


45 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:33 AM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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To: always thr constitution
A newbie I see.

IBTZ

Here is what I think.

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46 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:35 AM PST by mware (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL.")
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To: always thr constitution

"I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days ..."

Don't you mean stoopid libs? Kinda gave the game away on that one snowflake.


47 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:38 AM PST by novembersurprise (madisonRepublican)
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To: always thr constitution

I to tha B to that T to tha Z


48 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:05 AM PST by wideawake
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To: always thr constitution
always thr(ow up) constitution
always th(orazine) constitution
always thr(ottle) constitution
always th(ird) constitution
49 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:20 AM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: darkwing104

It's dead!


50 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:21 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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