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Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so
Posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:47 AM PST by always thr constitution
I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days saying that Bush committed no crime because under the provisions of the USSID 18 and the FSIA, he could with perfect legitimacy eavesdrop on aliens involved in terrorist activities if he had AG approval.
However, what was puzzling is that Gonzales did not cite USSID 18; he cited the more dubious rationale of war powers approval. This would seem to indicate that Bush was spying on US citizens without a Court Order which clearly violates USSID 18 and the FSIA, and was using war powers approval to cover for it.
Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.
I never thought Bush would resort to such extreme measures to skirt the law. I hope I am wrong. Please tell me why Bush didn't do this.
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To: always thr constitution
Bill Clinton issued an executive order asserting the same authority that Bush used. Rational people can debate whether or not such is Constitutional. But since you're not rational, we'll just zot your arse instead.
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:55:43 AM PST
by
dirtboy
(Drool overflowed my buffer...)
To: always thr constitution
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:55:53 AM PST
by
fedupjohn
(Kennedy Lied when MaryJo Kopechne died)
To: always thr constitution
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:56:06 AM PST
by
b4its2late
(Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
To: always thr constitution
How do you know about USSID 18? It is an Intelligence Directive, not law?
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:56:09 AM PST
by
darkwing104
(Let's get dangerous)
To: always thr constitution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543806/posts
Thank You for Wiretapping (WSJ Editorial - Nails It)
Opinion Journal ^
Posted on 12/20/2005 12:36:39 AM CST by indianrightwinger
Thank You for Wiretapping Why the Founders made presidents dominant on national security
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:56:24 AM PST
by
MEG33
(GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
To: always thr constitution
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:56:45 AM PST
by
joe fonebone
(Well, since there's no other place around the place, ah reckon this must be the place..ah reckon!)
To: always thr constitution
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:56:46 AM PST
by
freedomlover
(If you read this tag line, all your wildest dreams will come true.)
To: always thr constitution
To: always thr constitution
Even one of your hacks, Jamie Gorelick, disagrees with you. Oh, read my tagline and weep....
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:57:27 AM PST
by
eureka!
(Hey Lefties and 'Rats: Over 3 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
To: freedomlover
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:57:43 AM PST
by
Doohickey
(If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
To: always thr constitution
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:58:05 AM PST
by
add925
(The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
To: always thr constitution
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Title 50 of the U.S. Code, Chapter 36, Subchapter I, Section 1802, "Electronic surveillance authorization without court order," reads: "[T]he President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year," provided a series of conditions are met. Surveillance must be directed only at agents of foreign powers; there can be no likely surveillance of a "U.S. person" (more on this term below); and there must be strict congressional oversight in the intelligence committees. Mr. Bush says he has complied with these laws. And if the NSA ends up spying on a U.S. citizen? The "U.S. person" definition "does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power," according to the same law. An "agent of a foreign power" is anyone, citizen or otherwise, who "knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power." Which means that people who do not help al-Qaeda or other terrorists are safe from surveillance. Anyone who does, however, forfeits his rights and can be targeted for eavesdropping.
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:58:14 AM PST
by
edcoil
(Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
To: always thr constitution
Hillary's Travel Office Scandal...
Hillary's 900+ FBI Files...
Hillary's $100,000 cattle futures profit...
I can't wait until she runs. I already have my bumper stickers printed up:
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:58:26 AM PST
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
To: joe fonebone
get lost, pal........... Looks like that has been done for him.
What a speller, too. Can't even spell a username.
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12/20/2005 8:58:40 AM PST
by
freedomlover
(If you read this tag line, all your wildest dreams will come true.)
To: joe fonebone
get lost, pal........... Looks like that has been done for him.
What a speller, too. Can't even spell a username.
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:58:43 AM PST
by
freedomlover
(If you read this tag line, all your wildest dreams will come true.)
To: linda_22003
So am I, I suppose, but the mature, intellectual arguments in the President's favor in the posts above lay a rigorous case in his favor < / sarcasm for the witless>.
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:59:16 AM PST
by
jammer
To: always thr constitution
Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here. What exactly do you think this is?
To: always thr constitution
Perhaps it is classified. I know that doesn't concern Democrats but it does most Republicans.
Why should we disclose all of the tools in our arsenal to satisfy some idiots that are more intent upon bringing ruin to our republic?
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posted on
12/20/2005 8:59:39 AM PST
by
VeniVidiVici
(What? Me worry?)
To: always thr constitution; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; ...
Confused zot!
Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.
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posted on
12/20/2005 9:00:25 AM PST
by
darkwing104
(Let's get dangerous)
To: always thr constitution
Oh, and find me the repercussions for violating USSID 18.
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posted on
12/20/2005 9:00:43 AM PST
by
VeniVidiVici
(What? Me worry?)
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