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Are Journalists Underpaid?
Slate ^ | Dec. 20, 2005 | Daniel Gross

Posted on 12/20/2005 2:46:44 PM PST by baystaterebel

The New York real-estate boom is claiming a different kind of casualty, according to an article in Sunday's New York Times. Keying off a new report issued by the Center for an Urban Future, Jennifer Steinhauer noted that, thanks to high housing prices, many of the creative types who work in Manhattan-centered fields like advertising, publishing, and the arts are being priced out of the city. This, presumably, could damage New York in the long run, since it's an article of faith among nouveau-urban thinkers that the creative classes are a huge economic advantage, as the author Richard Florida has persuasively argued.

It could also damage journalism. The journalists who write these stories about people who can't afford to live in New York can't afford to live in New York, either. And that's a trend that may prove just as corrosive to establishment media as any disruptive technology.

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Quick! Call Jerry Lewis! Get the PBS phone banks fired up! Break out the violins and the boxes of heavy duty tissues!

This is a travesty that must not go on.......

Not only does it say all you need to know about most journalists. The journalist who wrote it probably does not understand why we have little sympathy for him and his ilk.

Has their ever been a more self absorbed creature put on this planet than a journalist? I tend to think of them as the common house cat. Sure they are curious, when they want to be. Other then that they just lay around all day waiting for someone to put food in their dish for them.

1 posted on 12/20/2005 2:46:45 PM PST by baystaterebel
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To: baystaterebel
It could also damage journalism.

Hahahaha!

2 posted on 12/20/2005 2:49:42 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: baystaterebel

Whatever Daniel Gross receives in his check, it's way too much.


3 posted on 12/20/2005 2:50:23 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: baystaterebel
It could also damage journalism. The journalists who write these stories about people who can't afford to live in New York can't afford to live in New York, either. And that's a trend that may prove just as corrosive to establishment media as any disruptive technology.

awww aint that a shame. Maybe if they told the truth onceinwhile instead of serving as the house organs of the DNC.... who knows, people might start reading newspapers again.

4 posted on 12/20/2005 2:51:48 PM PST by Nat Turner (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME)
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To: baystaterebel
Quick! Call Jerry Lewis! Get the PBS phone banks fired up! Break out the violins and the boxes of heavy duty tissues! This is a travesty that must not go on.......

LOL. Great comments! Right on the mark.

5 posted on 12/20/2005 2:51:57 PM PST by appleharvey
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To: baystaterebel

Wait - these guy get PAID for writing this crap?

I didn't know that!


6 posted on 12/20/2005 2:52:47 PM PST by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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To: baystaterebel

Nobody in the world is underpaid (assuming they are not being physically or legally coerced to do the work they are doing.)

Everybody is paid exactly what the work they do is worth.

Otherwise, they would be doing the work for someone else at higher pay. (Duh.)


7 posted on 12/20/2005 2:53:50 PM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: baystaterebel
Journalists are underpaid. Marxist hacks at and are overpaid.
8 posted on 12/20/2005 2:54:21 PM PST by pabianice (I guess)
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To: baystaterebel

"Are Journalists Underpaid?"

No. Via Watergate, they were elevated to level they don't deserve. How can journalists be underpaid when blogs have better coverage for free?


9 posted on 12/20/2005 2:54:40 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: baystaterebel

Depends on whether you add in the bribes and other payola.


10 posted on 12/20/2005 2:56:03 PM PST by airborne
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To: baystaterebel

First of all, journalists report facts, not opinions or what the DNC playbook prescribes.


11 posted on 12/20/2005 2:58:45 PM PST by txkev
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To: baystaterebel

Their Soviet masters don't give them nearly enough, I agree.


12 posted on 12/20/2005 3:03:51 PM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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To: baystaterebel

Overpaid is a certainty; under educated is a strong probability too.


13 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:06 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: baystaterebel

I do think that we should pay them more. If they got the same dough as a corporate executive, they would turn to the right very quickly, I bet.


14 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:40 PM PST by Thebaddog (K9 4ever)
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To: baystaterebel
Has their ever been a more self absorbed creature put on this planet than a journalist?

You have hit the home run over the stadium wall! The most successful journalists (money-wise) are the ones who are in other fields, and cash in their notoriety either by writing a book and getting undeserved accolades for their work (ala Clintons) or, in the case of Steponopoulis, have no journalististic background, and be made Washington bureauchief because of his ties to Clinton.

When journalists achieve some degree of respectability, they might get paid accordingly. As it stands now, they are basically whores.

15 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:48 PM PST by khenrich (Hillary is changing her colors. She's a chameleon. No, she's a liberal.)
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I love this part"

Most experienced reporters and editors at the publications in question earn salaries in the low six figures. They can expect salaries to rise by a few percentage points a year, if they're lucky. Salaries that barely pierce six figures certainly aren't insulting to most Americans. But everything is relative. A couple doing quite well—he's an editor at the Journal, she's a reporter at the Times—could make up to $250,000. But after New York taxes, New York child care, and New York housing, you're not left with much. In New York City, you can't buy a co-op or a condo with only 10 percent down. In most desirable suburbs, you can't buy a starter house for less than $700,000. When children arrive, the couple has to choose between living in an expensive town with good public schools (which means long, painful commutes), or the prospect of private-school tuition at $25,000 per kid per year. Given the types of lives many journalists wish to lead—and think they're entitled to lead by virtue of their education and positions—the wages aren't anywhere near sufficient.

You just cant make this up!

Seriously I would love to buy a journalist for what he/she is actually worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.

Oh yeah, they are really in touch with the working man....BWAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA!
16 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:56 PM PST by baystaterebel (http://omphalosgazer.blogspot.com/)
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To: baystaterebel
"Are Journalists Underpaid?"

I don't know. What's the going rate for mediocre creative writers?

17 posted on 12/20/2005 3:08:27 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: baystaterebel

Don't even want to read this --- but I will say if FoxNews is paying Corn, Ellis,Gergen, Estrich, Begala, Bechel, and a host of others I say no if anything they are being paid way to much and for nothing!!!!!!!!! They get their talking points, all repeat, repeat, repeat,


18 posted on 12/20/2005 3:15:57 PM PST by malia (The Impeached x42 clinton - a Paper Tiger President! MSM - bottom feeders! What a team!!!!)
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To: Thebaddog
I do think that we should pay them more. If they got the same dough as a corporate executive, they would turn to the right very quickly, I bet.

How do you explain Katie Couric then ($13 million per year salary before perks)? Or any of the other highly-paid lefties like Dan Rather or Mike Wallace?

19 posted on 12/20/2005 3:19:43 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: baystaterebel
many of the creative types who work in Manhattan-centered fields like advertising, publishing, and the arts

Translation: parasites who could not exist anywhere they had to ply a trade that made a difference.

20 posted on 12/20/2005 3:23:52 PM PST by IronJack
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To: baystaterebel
Are Journalists Underpaid?

"Well, the world needs ditch-diggers and journalists, too..." /Judge Smails
21 posted on 12/20/2005 3:30:01 PM PST by motzman (it's 10pm...have you rebuked a kook today?)
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To: baystaterebel
BWAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA!

Is that the sound of a baby screaming, or crying? I don't get it.

22 posted on 12/20/2005 3:30:04 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: FreedomCalls
Never mind them. If the average Joe or Jill Reporter got heavy numbers, the herd mentality would break down. Those mopes in NYC and Hollywood believe their own stuff too much to ever turn normal.

But you do know that I'm being facetious here.

23 posted on 12/20/2005 3:30:05 PM PST by Thebaddog (K9 4ever)
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Then, don't live in New York...


24 posted on 12/20/2005 3:32:16 PM PST by WatchYourself
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To: baystaterebel


Has their ever been a more self absorbed creature put on this planet than a journalist?

An amoeba or Downy are pretty self absorbing.


25 posted on 12/20/2005 3:39:16 PM PST by moog
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To: motzman
Are Journalists Underpaid?

I remember a song we used to sing in the "O" club in RVN...for all of the good they might as well be shoveling $hit on the isle of Capri...

26 posted on 12/20/2005 3:44:05 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: baystaterebel

Underpaid? How about a salary cap for journalists?


27 posted on 12/20/2005 3:48:19 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: baystaterebel
Has their ever been a more self absorbed creature put on this planet than a journalist?

Clinton?

28 posted on 12/20/2005 3:49:32 PM PST by null and void (Peace on Earth. Death to the Terrorists...)
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To: baystaterebel
Given the types of lives many journalists wish to lead—and think they're entitled to lead by virtue of their education and positions—the wages aren't anywhere near sufficient.

Ha ha ha ..It dosnt' get better than this.

29 posted on 12/20/2005 3:53:12 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: baystaterebel

Journalists...PLEASE please please please...go on strike. If it takes two years and all the mainstream presses have to shut down, please go on strike. It's not the money, it's the...uh...principle of the thing. Yeah that's it. Whatever the reason, just STRIKE!!!


30 posted on 12/20/2005 3:55:36 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: baystaterebel

They need to find a real job anyway.


31 posted on 12/20/2005 3:56:52 PM PST by Godzilla (Jesus - The REASON for the SEASON)
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To: Maceman

They are not underpaid,just underhonest.


32 posted on 12/20/2005 3:59:31 PM PST by Hurricane
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To: baystaterebel

The problem is we have too many professional "journalists" with an agenda and not enough old fashioned reporters who report the facts.


33 posted on 12/20/2005 4:09:08 PM PST by rllngrk33 (The RATs and Media are the enemy.)
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To: baystaterebel

I am going to be sick...


34 posted on 12/20/2005 4:11:46 PM PST by pointsal
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To: atomicpossum

Are Journalists overpaid? Silly question! The ones I know are.


35 posted on 12/20/2005 4:19:40 PM PST by chainsaw ( ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
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To: baystaterebel
As soon as you find a "journalist" we could check. But my guess is that if you could find a "journalist", they should come in through the kitchen, and no self respecting person ought to be known to associate with said "journalists". But I digress.

From the standpoint of benefit to America, vs., cost to America; the Lamestream, "Hate Amerika First!", 5th. column for any, and all, of America's enemies, these vermin, these so-called "journalists", we should charge them for the air they breathe, and rent for their foot prints.

For those "journalists" who are cast of our American traditions, who understand their blood IS American, who understand their words have consequences that are paid in the blood, and sweat, and tears of their fellow citizens, their families, their friends; for them, their weight in precious stones is not near enough.
36 posted on 12/20/2005 4:22:34 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: baystaterebel
the creative classes

Statements like this deserve a quick punch in the mouth. I used to know a journalist at the local fish wrapper, free, alternative paper. He would complain that reporters were underpaid. Always in a way that implied that salaries were set or at least should be set by the federal government.

Although he deserved a punch in the mouth, I instead engaged him in conversation. It went like this.

"So if you should be getting paid more, and you deserve it so much, why don't you demand it and threaten to quit?"

"Because they would let me quit?"

"Can they replace you?"

"There are dozens of people willing to take my job, just to be able to write."

"Then you aren't worth more money are you?"

Sad beat puppy look from him. Mean, 'you just ruined the dinner party' look from my wife.

37 posted on 12/20/2005 4:23:55 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: txkev

First of all, journalists report facts, not opinions

That's news to me. They may report the manufactured stories and try to pass it off as true fact. (ie.) Dan Rather


38 posted on 12/20/2005 4:27:15 PM PST by chainsaw ( ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
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To: baystaterebel
Jennifer Steinhauer noted that, thanks to high housing prices, many of the creative types who work in Manhattan-centered fields like advertising, publishing, and the arts are being priced out of the city. This, presumably, could damage New York in the long run, since it's an article of faith among nouveau-urban thinkers that the creative classes are a huge economic advantage

They have it all backwards!!!

Don't raise the incomes of journalists whose papers are losing subscribers. They should use eminent domain to take Trump Tower and turn it into low-income housing so more people can afford to live in NYC. After all, it's better for the economy, so they say.

-PJ

39 posted on 12/20/2005 4:34:43 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: baystaterebel
It could also damage journalism. The journalists who write these stories about people who can't afford to live in New York can't afford to live in New York, either. And that's a trend that may prove just as corrosive to establishment media as any disruptive technology.

Yeah, they might actually to see what life is like on Staten Island or Queens or Jersey -- you know, places other than the Upper West Side. Boo hoo.

40 posted on 12/20/2005 4:37:50 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: baystaterebel

But, but, but all these liberal "journalists" love high taxes and the liberal mecca of New York, why would they whine when prices are high?


41 posted on 12/20/2005 4:51:37 PM PST by patj
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To: baystaterebel

the fact that their work products are accessed for "free" on the internet indicates to me that their work has no value. So why pay them at all.


42 posted on 12/20/2005 4:57:41 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: pabianice

The proper title for such papers is [let's demonstrate that the Neanderthals, too, can be highbrow and could quote Joyce] "Evening Arsewipe".


43 posted on 12/20/2005 5:57:38 PM PST by GSlob
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To: baystaterebel
ROTFLMAO!!!

Well done.

Arioch7

44 posted on 12/20/2005 5:59:14 PM PST by Arioch7
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To: muir_redwoods
"What's the going rate for mediocre creative writers?"
A dime a dozen.
45 posted on 12/20/2005 6:04:23 PM PST by GSlob
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To: baystaterebel
many of the creative types who work in Manhattan-centered fields like advertising, publishing, and the arts are being priced out of the city

Excellent, let those retards experience some of the fallout for their stupid positions and attitudes.

46 posted on 12/20/2005 6:09:11 PM PST by Centurion2000 ((Aubrey, Tx) --- America, we get the best government corporations can buy.)
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To: baystaterebel

Forward link to how Rush covered this story:

Rush Limbaugh: Lib Journalists Can't Afford to Live in New York
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1545742/posts


47 posted on 12/22/2005 5:55:39 PM PST by Boundless
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To: b4its2late; Recovering_Democrat; Alissa; Pan_Yans Wife; LADY J; mathluv; browardchad; cardinal4; ...

I'm a little behind on listening to this week's podcasts, so this is a little late.

Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah!

48 posted on 12/23/2005 8:17:13 AM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jsher/)
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To: airborne

bttt


49 posted on 12/23/2005 10:39:08 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: baystaterebel
Are Journalists Underpaid?

Never thought about it. Don't care to.

50 posted on 12/23/2005 10:40:34 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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