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Men Face criminal charge for Xbox Tampering
Reuters ^ | 12/20/2005 | cawats

Posted on 12/21/2005 12:39:30 AM PST by CAWats





Men Face criminal charge for Xbox Tampering
Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:45 PM ET168

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. prosecutors have charged three men with copyright infringement for selling modified Xbox consoles that enabled the original video game machine from Microsoft Corp. to play pirated games.

The criminal complaint filed in federal court in Los Angeles on Monday named ACME Game Store co-owners Jason Jones, 34, and Jonathan Bryant, 44, as well as Pei "Patrick" Cai, 32.

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; convictedmonopoly; tampering; thoughtpolice; xbox
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1 posted on 12/21/2005 12:39:31 AM PST by CAWats
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To: CAWats

Isn't that how Bill Gates got his start?


2 posted on 12/21/2005 12:41:42 AM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: msnimje

if the buyer knows.. is there a crime here?


3 posted on 12/21/2005 12:55:36 AM PST by GeronL (1678 computer infections and still Freeping!!!)
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To: msnimje

besides subborning pirating?


4 posted on 12/21/2005 12:55:52 AM PST by GeronL (1678 computer infections and still Freeping!!!)
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To: msnimje

And China too?


5 posted on 12/21/2005 12:59:53 AM PST by oceanperch (Don't Let Your Meat Loaf!)
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To: msnimje

His start came with his co-inventing the harddisk operating system. Before Gates, there was only tape. :-)


6 posted on 12/21/2005 1:01:49 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1
His start came with his co-inventing the harddisk operating system.

I was HALF kidding. Didn't he swipe some ideas from IBM and claim them as his own?
7 posted on 12/21/2005 1:03:30 AM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: msnimje

Gates contracted with IBM to manufacture his product. IBM held steadfast to it's design patent after Gates wanted to outsource the exclusives he gave IBM.

Simple response to your statement..... Cart before horse. :-)


8 posted on 12/21/2005 1:21:43 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1
Gates contracted with IBM to manufacture his product.

He did so by selling a product which he did not yet have. He then approached several operating system designers. One of them sold him Quick and Dirty Operating System, which Bill renamed MSDOS.

He got the money from two places. One was his daddy, an Intellectual Property lawyer and also from sales of his BASIC compiler, which he got by stealing the work of others.

There are a couple of sad points to this. One, he was turned down by the creator of CP/M, which was a pretty good operating system compared to the kludge which was QDOS. Second, he wasn't tossed in jail for his antics. People who get away with crimes like theft and fraud generally go on to perpetuate larger thefts and frauds.

9 posted on 12/21/2005 1:42:51 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

"People who get away with crimes like theft and fraud generally go on to perpetuate larger thefts and frauds."

A.K.A Marketing...


10 posted on 12/21/2005 2:26:38 AM PST by DB ()
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To: JoeSixPack1
His start came with his co-inventing the harddisk operating system. Before Gates, there was only tape. :-)

And CP/M ... and Linux ... and System 32 ... and ...

11 posted on 12/21/2005 2:33:57 AM PST by The Duke
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To: Knitebane; The Duke
I had my fill of Bill Gates after he purposely set out to, and did, destroy Stack Industries.

First he stole their architecture for compression. Then he took them to court for using what he then claimed was his. Then he lost his court case but came away with a court order to share technology, research and buy stock in Stack.

So he shut down his R&D of compression algorithms so he wouldn't have to share.
He used his court ordered stock purchase for a hostile take over.
He tap danced until the courts orders were fulfilled and Stack Industries was dead.
Then he bloated his programs and started stealing disk impression architecture to expand capacity.

Gates is a piece of work like no other.

12 posted on 12/21/2005 2:50:39 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1
Gates is a piece of work like no other.

A liar, a thief and a socialist. But I repeat myself.

13 posted on 12/21/2005 2:56:53 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane
A liar, a thief and a socialist. But I repeat myself.

A rat, by any other name, is still a democrat. :-)

14 posted on 12/21/2005 3:03:00 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1

Agent Smith will be here shortly. Mr. JoeSixPack1.


15 posted on 12/21/2005 3:15:29 AM PST by Stentor
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To: CAWats

We have all the terrorists now in custody? That would be the only explanation as to why the feds are wasting their time on something like this.


16 posted on 12/21/2005 3:24:58 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Knitebane

"A liar, a thief and a socialist."

I'll bite! I get your argument for the liar and theif bit. 'Socialist'? I get the impression I'll be inviting you to jump on your hobby horse soap box here but, it is Christmas, so go on...... why a 'socialist'?


17 posted on 12/21/2005 3:29:06 AM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: Knitebane
and a socialist

Why? Because he is giving away billions of dollars to save some of the suffering this planet offers to its denizens?

18 posted on 12/21/2005 3:32:27 AM PST by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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To: Brit_Guy

"A liar, a thief, and a Socialist," ...and Time's "Man of the Year. If you steal enough and ruin enough competitors so that you can give an infinitesimal fraction of the loot to liberal causes, you can buy honors like that in this evil world.


19 posted on 12/21/2005 3:34:33 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Stentor

It was the reference to architecture, right??? :-(


20 posted on 12/21/2005 3:36:26 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Brit_Guy
I get the impression I'll be inviting you to jump on your hobby horse soap box here but, it is Christmas, so go on...... why a 'socialist'?

Bill Gates personally funds the UN Population Fund which in turn funds forced sterilizations and forced abortions in third world countries.

He also supports a variety of other leftist causes.

21 posted on 12/21/2005 3:47:01 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Glenn
Because he is giving away billions of dollars to save some of the suffering this planet offers to its denizens?

You mean "giving away billions of dollars to forcibly sterilize women in third world countries"?

I wonder who, exactly, is being "saved" from all of this "suffering." Not the women being chemically sterilized against their will.

22 posted on 12/21/2005 3:48:53 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: kittymyrib

It's amazing to think that the same people around here who despise George Soros have no problem with lionizing Bill Gates. Both fund the same causes.
right?


23 posted on 12/21/2005 3:51:36 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: JoeSixPack1
His start came with his co-inventing the harddisk operating system.

Neither Bill Gates or Microsoft has ever invented anything.
24 posted on 12/21/2005 4:11:25 AM PST by PjhCPA
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To: Knitebane

Well, I've followed your links and remain unconvinced. I am sure I have given big chunks of my wealth myself to Charities which maybe haven't used the money quite as I had hoped (I can think of one story relating to the recent Asian Tsunami, where one charity I gave too did something staggeringly stupid). That said, on balance, UNPF probably does more good than harm and the example you cite in peru was clearly just an example of misapporiation.

They guy doesn't have to give any of his wealth away. He does. By and large the money he gives away does a great deal of net good. Whatever else his faults, cudos to him for that.


25 posted on 12/21/2005 5:28:49 AM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: Knitebane
Not the women being chemically sterilized against their will.

Thanks for your input.

26 posted on 12/21/2005 5:36:31 AM PST by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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To: GeronL
if the buyer knows.. is there a crime here?

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) makes reverse-engineering and bypassing security measures illegal, even on your own box. It's the same law that makes backing up a DVD illegal. There are a couple allowances in the law, such as for compatibility and research, but they are largely ignored by the deep-pocket companies who will go after you if you decide to tinker.

27 posted on 12/21/2005 6:05:39 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: JoeSixPack1
A rat, by any other name, is still a democrat. :-)

I resent that statement. I had a pet rat, and he was sweet.

28 posted on 12/21/2005 6:07:18 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: GeronL

"if the buyer knows.. is there a crime here?"

uh, yeah. and now he's a criminal, too.


29 posted on 12/21/2005 6:08:33 AM PST by John Robertson ( Safe Travel)
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To: PjhCPA
Neither Bill Gates or Microsoft has ever invented anything.

Bob, Clippy, personalized menus. Okay, so they invented three of the worst things in computing history, but they still invented them.

Although hardware-wise they did come out with the first comfortable mouse.

30 posted on 12/21/2005 6:09:10 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: CAWats

Once again we see prosecutors with too much time on their hands. Like the ones who charged that woman with 1st degree murder for killing her daughter's rapist. Today's classroom brownnosing weasels are tomorrow's prosecutors.


31 posted on 12/21/2005 6:18:08 AM PST by montag813
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To: GeronL; Mr. Brightside; antiRepublicrat; montag813
This was hashed out pretty well on Slashdot.

Reading the article, the key factor is that they weren't just charging for the "mod chip", but also for pirated copies of dozens of games:

They charged from $225 to more than $500 for the modifications, depending on the extent of the modifications and the number of games preloaded onto the hard drive, according to a statement from prosecutors and the complaint affidavit obtained by Reuters.

During the investigation, undercover agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement paid $265 to have a modification chip, a hard drive and 77 pirated games installed on an Xbox, according to the criminal complaint.

So this isn't the pure "mod chip test case" that people are looking for, but rather your everyday bulk video game piracy bust.
32 posted on 12/21/2005 7:02:38 AM PST by Nonesuch
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To: msnimje

He stole Windows if I remember correctly from something Steve Jobs of Apple was working on.


33 posted on 12/21/2005 7:05:38 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: Nonesuch
So this isn't the pure "mod chip test case" that people are looking for, but rather your everyday bulk video game piracy bust.

Let'em burn for the piracy, I have no sympathy. But you're right, it makes for a bad DMCA test case on the issue of circumvention simply because they're pirates. I'm sure Corely (2600) lost the DeCSS case partially because he could be portrayed as an evil hacker.

34 posted on 12/21/2005 7:42:05 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: SALChamps03
He stole Windows if I remember correctly from something Steve Jobs of Apple was working on.

And Steve Jobs stole the idea from Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center).


35 posted on 12/21/2005 7:47:44 AM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: CAWats

DMCA bogeyman again.


36 posted on 12/21/2005 8:05:51 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: JoeSixPack1
I had my fill of Bill Gates after he purposely set out to, and did, destroy Stack Industries.

The company was "Stac Electronics". A jury ruled that Msft infringed on (in your terminology "stole") Stac patents but not willfully, and awarded damages to Stac. The court also ruled Stac "stole" Msft's technology and awarded damages to Msft.

I'm very uncomfortable with software IP in general. Lawyers buy up patents or failing companies and then go after big companies (because that's where the money is). Big companies use software IP lawyers to attempt to squash little companies, an intimidation tactic used to get the little guy to sell out cheaply - eg. sic lawyers on the little guy then ask him to come work for them (a "deal you can't refuse").

IP lawyers have descended on the software world en masse in the last 10-15 years. They will kill the software industry in the USA unless they're stopped.

37 posted on 12/21/2005 8:40:16 AM PST by mikegi
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To: Knitebane
He got the money from two places. One was his daddy, an Intellectual Property lawyer and also from sales of his BASIC compiler, which he got by stealing the work of others.

Hey, I'm no Gates fan but how do you figure he "stole" the work of others by writing a BASIC interpreter for the Altair? At best, I think you could argue that they misappropriated Harvard's computer time running their 8080 simulator.

38 posted on 12/21/2005 8:47:02 AM PST by whd23
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To: sam_paine; antiRepublicrat; montag813
During the investigation, undercover agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement paid $265...

Unfortunately, since our public servants had to allocate scarce tax dollars on this important case, they were forced to leave the borders unguarded for six months.

Come on people, is this really our highest priority?

39 posted on 12/21/2005 8:48:11 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: unixfox
And Steve Jobs stole the idea from Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center).

More like "bought." They paid for the visit.

40 posted on 12/21/2005 8:51:13 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Plus, Close COmbat and Flight SImulator were decent enough games. Even though they were created by subsidiaries, they were still under the MS logo.


41 posted on 12/21/2005 8:56:39 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "Cowards cut and run. Heroes never do!")
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To: Mr. Brightside
We have all the terrorists now in custody? That would be the only explanation as to why the feds are wasting their time on something like this.

We still have crimes that need to be stopped. I'll agree on the felony copyright infringement for profit, pirate outfits need to be stopped. But they are also charging them on the DMCA prohibition on circumvention, which I disagree with and find to be constitutionally and lawfully unsound.

42 posted on 12/21/2005 8:56:44 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: The Duke

There wasn't Linux before Gates.


43 posted on 12/21/2005 8:58:41 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Base. All Yours = Mine.)
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To: CAWats

You buy it, you own it.


44 posted on 12/21/2005 8:59:35 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: mikegi

You have a better memory than I! Thank you. :-)


45 posted on 12/21/2005 9:17:56 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: whd23
Hey, I'm no Gates fan but how do you figure he "stole" the work of others by writing a BASIC interpreter for the Altair?

Come on, it's conventional wisdom. To the pathologically anti-msft folks minor details like facts make no difference. Reminds me of the natives in Central America who "just knew" that Americans came down there to steal the kidneys of children.

46 posted on 12/21/2005 9:25:10 AM PST by mikegi
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Ooops...meant to say "Unix", rather than "Linux". Good catch!


47 posted on 12/21/2005 6:39:10 PM PST by The Duke
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To: unixfox

Thanks for the heads up. I remember in the movie, the actor playing Bill Gates saying to the actor playing Jobs, "You're mad at me because I stole it first?" or something along those lines.


49 posted on 12/21/2005 8:19:24 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: Nonesuch
So they were not only subborning violations of copyright or whatever but were also violating the copyrights themselves.

Hang them!

50 posted on 12/21/2005 10:08:48 PM PST by GeronL (1678 computer infections and still Freeping!!!)
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