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Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:46 AM PST by truthfinder9

One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.

In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University

On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:

“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.


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1 posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:47 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

Bump for later.


2 posted on 12/21/2005 6:24:02 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: truthfinder9

Of course humans aren't apes. DUH!


3 posted on 12/21/2005 6:24:43 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: truthfinder9

Junk Science and a feeble attempt at self delusion.


4 posted on 12/21/2005 6:24:56 AM PST by Vaquero (a red stater trapped in the body of a blue state.)
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To: PatrickHenry

PING!!!!


5 posted on 12/21/2005 6:25:46 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: truthfinder9
I have a real hard spot believing anyone that begins his (or her) arguements with the term "fundy" ...

Whether sarchasm (meanig a gaping chasm between what's said and what's intended) one side or ridicule (of the other side), it is immediately insulting.
6 posted on 12/21/2005 6:26:09 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: truthfinder9
...studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related.

These scientists need to research some of the trailer parks in my town.

7 posted on 12/21/2005 6:26:11 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: randog

How about researching some Democrats?


8 posted on 12/21/2005 6:27:19 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: truthfinder9

I'm convinced....


9 posted on 12/21/2005 6:28:46 AM PST by dakine
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To: truthfinder9

If you want to be taken seriously, you might consider dropping the term "Darwin Fundie."


10 posted on 12/21/2005 6:29:14 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: truthfinder9

By Captain Obvious's egghead brother Professor Obvious.


11 posted on 12/21/2005 6:29:34 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: truthfinder9
Public School Fact:

Religious Student doesn't believe in Darwinism = F in class

Atheist Student doesn't believe in Religion, subscribes to Darwinism = A in class

Religious descrimination at its worst.

Sending kids to public schools will guarantee religious discrimination...take the hint.

12 posted on 12/21/2005 6:30:49 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: truthfinder9
On the Amazon site, I agree with the Reviewer Michael:
Rana and Ross's beliefs blind them to the reality of the scientific knowledge gained over the past 200 years. Their attempt to bring together results from biology, chemistry and geology to show how puzzling the origin of life is, utterly fails. They totally omit major portions of research currently underway with in biochemistry, chemistry, and biology, that show a variety of potential pathways to the emergence of proto-life. In the end, the authors fail to prove their point. Just more supernaturalistic excuses for why there has to be a God.

13 posted on 12/21/2005 6:32:06 AM PST by samtheman
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To: truthfinder9
One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders.

Are you high?

Everyone has known for years that Humans aren't DESCENDED from Neanderthals, but we're clearly RELATED - two different evolutionary branches, with a common ancestor at some point, of course. Genetic studies have confirmed this.

Do you have any time left in your day after you finish constructing gigantic strawmen?

14 posted on 12/21/2005 6:32:36 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: The_Victor

I think it has a nice ring to it. Darwin Fundi. LOL


15 posted on 12/21/2005 6:32:49 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Strategerist

Many scientists don't agree on whether Neanderthals were human or not. Glad you have all the answers.


16 posted on 12/21/2005 6:34:39 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: truthfinder9

These threads usually descend into insults. It's a shame. And it's a big shame that the poster began the insults by referencing Darwin Fundies. That doesn't help.

But I find it interesting that a number of responses are emphasizing the Darwin Fundy insult and not trying to address the subject matter. This is a serious book, using peer reviewed research, and it's being taken seriously by some major scientists.

Having a hissy fit over name calling seems disingenuous.


17 posted on 12/21/2005 6:34:58 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: mlc9852
I think it has a nice ring to it. Darwin Fundi. LOL

It's classic case of Creationists projecting themselves on to evolutionists - I really think they literally believe people sit around reading "Origin of Species" in darkened rooms or something.

Actually a heck of a lot of evolutionists haven't read Origin of Species (as a lot of physicists haven't actually sat down and read Newton's "Principia Mathematica") and Darwin is not a religious figure.

18 posted on 12/21/2005 6:35:22 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: randog

Hey, I resent that remark!!!!


19 posted on 12/21/2005 6:35:51 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: truthfinder9

Well, Esau was hairy and a cunning hunter....


20 posted on 12/21/2005 6:36:03 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: ClearCase_guy
These threads usually descend into insults.

It's simply fact in most cases - for example, the statement "Most Creationists are liars" isn't an insult, it's a simple fact. Seems to upset people though.

21 posted on 12/21/2005 6:36:49 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: The_Victor

As soon as they stop using degenerating terms for design scientists.


22 posted on 12/21/2005 6:37:26 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: Strategerist

"Darwin is not a religious figure"

I would venture to say he certainly is to some - many on these threads.


23 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:13 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Strategerist

Try reading it again. Studies show they aren't related, which is what the post said. What are you reading?


24 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:30 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: Vaquero
Junk Science and a feeble attempt at self delusion.

The 12-step meeting is down the hall, cowboy.

25 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:56 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: ClearCase_guy
and it's being taken seriously by some major scientists.

Notice that the scientists are NEVER actual trained paleontologists; just an smalll assortment of chemists and physicists on the periphery of the fields necessary to understand evolution.

26 posted on 12/21/2005 6:39:28 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: samtheman

There's good scholarship: "I'll believe the review of some non-scientist because it happens to agree with what I think."

No wonder evolution is dying.


27 posted on 12/21/2005 6:40:00 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
No ... according to my wife, man is descended from


28 posted on 12/21/2005 6:40:22 AM PST by sono (Every purple finger is a bullet in the chest of terrorism.)
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To: truthfinder9

LOL, this after the evolutionists greatest court victory this century? How dare you rain upon their parade? Did you not read the judge's decision "GOD" is NOT allowed in man's evolution, I mean science class.


29 posted on 12/21/2005 6:41:46 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: ClearCase_guy

"Darwin Fundie" isn't "name-calling," it's a definition:

People who believe, a priori, that Darwinian evolution is true and will rationalize any science to prove it, rather than finding empirical evidence to do so.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 6:41:48 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: Strategerist

Correct. I read Origin quite a few years ago, and am now reading "Voyage of The Beagle".

Most people who accuse Darwin of evolutionary misdeeds don't even realize he died about 80 years before Watson and Crick did their work.

And Darwin was certainly not alone in his naturalist philosophies, Lamarck had done alot of work along very similar veins.


31 posted on 12/21/2005 6:42:27 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: samtheman; PatrickHenry

Check this out :-)

http://www.gatech.edu/news-room/release.php?id=801


32 posted on 12/21/2005 6:42:57 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Strategerist

Chemists and physisicts actually know what they're doing.

Paleontologists just make conjectures about what they dig up.

If a chemist tells me that, based on the evidence, evolution could not have occurred, I find that somewhat compelling. If a paleontologist tells me that archeopteryx had colorful plumage, I am unconvinced.


33 posted on 12/21/2005 6:43:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: mlc9852
I think it has a nice ring to it. Darwin Fundi

Its a simple choice for parents now, sending kids to public schools will guarantee Darwin Fundamentalist indoctrination. Disagree in public schools? Fail the course.

If you want to avoid this, home schooling or private schools are the only way to go.

Methinks the recent ruling out of Harrisburg will help make this situation clear. Public Schools preach Darwinism....its the parents choice whether to send kids there or not.

Some may thing the PA ruling was bad, I think it was good. It created a clear and concise choice for parents. Leftists may be rejoicing, but it could signal big-time trouble for public schools. The last laugh may be had by private schools or homeschoolers.

34 posted on 12/21/2005 6:43:31 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: truthfinder9

The author of this article doesn't believe in ID.

Creation Scientist says Intelligent Design Has No Place in Public School Science Curriculum
"As currently formulated, Intelligent Design is not science," says Dr. Fazale Rana, internationally respected biochemist and one of the world's leading experts in origin of life research.

This guy wants to push his own theory that complex things like people are built by God and that complex things like gods occur naturally without a designer.


35 posted on 12/21/2005 6:43:40 AM PST by bessay
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Whether sarchasm [sic] (meanig [sic] a gaping chasm between what's said and what's intended) one side or ridicule (of the other side), it is immediately insulting.

I usually agree and often admire your posts, but you lost me with this one.
The author simply uses the identical technique which is mother's milk in every pro-evolution article or critique I've ever read.
Why hold one side to a higher standard and totally ignore the contents?

36 posted on 12/21/2005 6:44:07 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: truthfinder9

If man evolved from apes, why are apes still here? Wouldn't they all be man?


37 posted on 12/21/2005 6:44:14 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: truthfinder9

The great scientists a few centuries back SWORE the earth was flat.

Around the same time, scientists SWORE that bleeding people cured them from all sorts of diseases and that little invisible things called germs was a crock of garbage.

I do believe we adapt, but that in itself is the beauty of ID. The creation with the ability to adapt, evolve, etc...


38 posted on 12/21/2005 6:44:46 AM PST by sandbar
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To: truthfinder9

Please cite these fictional studies.

Like I've said, unless you're being deliberately deceptive, is that you've misunderstood studies showing that:

1) Humans aren't descended from Neanderthals, something long believed in the scientific community anyway and not a shock or surprise

2) Humans have not interbred at all with Neanderthals

...as meaning there's no relation between Humans and Neanderthals. In fact we had a common ancestor, but quite a long time ago, in the 500,000-700,000 year range.

http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/dna.html


39 posted on 12/21/2005 6:44:55 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: truthfinder9

Darwin Fundi

I like it.

But the screechers here won't.

Ok, maybe the book is wrong. Aren't screechers related to "Howlers"?


40 posted on 12/21/2005 6:44:59 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT
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To: The_Victor

Darwin Fundies don't like that? Ironic, no? When they invented the word!


41 posted on 12/21/2005 6:45:04 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: truthfinder9

It is generally very easy to spot an extremist. My view is this is a religious extremist who takes exception to the fact that humans and other primates share 97% of our DNA. Evolution is a theory. You never see those who believe in it on street corners yelling at the top of their lungs that creationism is a lie. Perhaps there is a real good reason for that.


42 posted on 12/21/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: truthfinder9
As soon as they stop using degenerating terms for design scientists.

Would you consider "Oxymorons" denigrating? (I assume that's the word you intended?)

43 posted on 12/21/2005 6:45:28 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: add925

That is not a public school fact.


44 posted on 12/21/2005 6:45:59 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: ClearCase_guy
You'd probably appreciate the pro/con dispassionate reviews at Amazon. I found reviews by the supporters of id interesting. What surprised me the most was this one :

Not helpful in the Genesis Debate. Too many verses are twisted and poorly exegeted. Clear Scripture declarations are allowed to be 'read into' by sciencism to harmonize with the lab.

45 posted on 12/21/2005 6:46:14 AM PST by Zechariah11 (Rejection of the True Shepherd; Acceptance of the False Shepherd)
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To: trebb
"Well, Esau was hairy and a cunning hunter" He was a cunning linguist too.
46 posted on 12/21/2005 6:46:15 AM PST by bessay
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To: bessay

No, that's not entirely correct. Rana has critizied the deisgn movement for not focusing enough on creating testable models. Until design does, it will be hard for it to be accepted in schools. Rana has begun to formulate design models in his books.


47 posted on 12/21/2005 6:46:52 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: Vaquero
"Junk Science and a feeble attempt at self delusion."

Wow! You got all that by not reading the book?

I'm impressed.

48 posted on 12/21/2005 6:47:29 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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To: Vaquero
Junk Science and a feeble attempt at self delusion.

Are you a relative of King Kong?

49 posted on 12/21/2005 6:48:02 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: mlc9852

"Of course humans aren't apes. DUH!"

Not so fast. It's obvious that some "humans" do have animal characteristics. Ted Kennedy is obviously a manatee. Michael Moore is obviously from the same planet as Jabba the Hut. Harry Reid throws his own poo, so he is obviously a d@mned dirty ape.


50 posted on 12/21/2005 6:48:04 AM PST by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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