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DEA's pot raid draws protests
The Sacramento Bee (CA) ^ | December 15, 2005 | Robert D. Dávila

Posted on 12/21/2005 9:39:56 AM PST by Know your rights

[...] Organizers blasted the federal Drug Enforcement Administration for targeting businesses that are legal under Proposition 215, a California law that permits marijuana use for medical treatment. Demonstrators said the action would restrict access to regulated pot shops for seriously ill patients. [...] "They didn't do any arrests, just took drugs and computers," said Paula "Cookey" Brown. "It just seems like a straight armed robbery." [...]

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; abovethelaw; bogartthatjoint; bongbrigade; camelssnose; dea; hesbaaaack; himrleroy; jackboots; liberaltarians; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; mrleroy; onetrickpony; potheads; thatsmrleroytoyou; wodlist
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1 posted on 12/21/2005 9:39:56 AM PST by Know your rights
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To: Know your rights

I'm having a hard time reading this post as there is an epidemic of Glaucoma, back pain and a general feeling of malaise in my locality...I need to get a prescription...


2 posted on 12/21/2005 9:42:32 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Know your rights
So the Union is preserved once again and those nasty States Righters are put back in their place. Glory Glory Hallelujah!
3 posted on 12/21/2005 9:47:08 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

And DEA agents get a big Christmas bonus, once they unload that pot to their buddies on the street.


4 posted on 12/21/2005 9:48:06 AM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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To: thoughtomator

That is if they don't give it to their relatives FOR Christmas presents. The War on Drugs, a gift that keeps giving and giving... almost as great as the Oil for Food program. Too bad the UN can't get in on the scheme too.


5 posted on 12/21/2005 9:50:16 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus
Too bad the UN can't get in on the scheme too.

I would be surprised in the extreme if the UN's grubby paws weren't all over the international drug trade. Hell, I wouldn't doubt that "diplomatic immunity" is a cover for a LOT of smuggling.

6 posted on 12/21/2005 9:51:38 AM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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To: rhombus
The new "conservatism" has no time for antiquities like the Constitution.
7 posted on 12/21/2005 9:52:22 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: thoughtomator
I wouldn't doubt that "diplomatic immunity" is a cover for a LOT of smuggling.

That would explain why the UN supports drug criminalization: it keeps up their profit margins.

8 posted on 12/21/2005 9:53:39 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

I think all DEA and ATF agenst should be trasferred to the Border Patrol or sent to work on anti-terrorism stuff. We're fighting a war and they're going after pot.


9 posted on 12/21/2005 10:03:35 AM PST by jjm2111 (Whatever you do, don't say the "C" word!)
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To: jjm2111

Too funny. Lefty potheads screaming "states rights!" Pissed off enough? Go ahead and secede.


10 posted on 12/21/2005 10:21:54 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72

Almost as funny as Right Wingers championing "Feds Uber Alles".


11 posted on 12/21/2005 10:24:14 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Neville72
Too funny. Lefty potheads screaming "states rights!" Pissed off enough? Go ahead and secede

Your support of the governments violation of the Constitution makes you a leftist...not those potheads you despise.
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12 posted on 12/21/2005 10:26:11 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Know your rights

13 posted on 12/21/2005 10:26:53 AM PST by Skooz (Santa's laughter mocks the poor.)
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To: mugs99

California state anthem.............

One toke over the line, sweet Jesus, one toke over the line
Sittin' downtown in a railway station, one toke over the line

Waitin' for the train that goes home, sweet Mary
Hoping that the train is on time
Sittin' downtown in a railway station, one toke over the line

Who do you love, I hope it's me
I've been changing, as you can plainly see
I felt the joy and I learned about the pain that my mama said
If I should choose to make it part of me
Would surely strike me dead, and now I'm........

One toke over the line, sweet Jesus, one toke over the line
Sittin' downtown in a railway station, one toke over the line






14 posted on 12/21/2005 10:38:44 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72
I see you're into smokin' music!


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15 posted on 12/21/2005 10:46:49 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Know your rights

But, but.... We have to stop people from getting high. Even if it kills them. And costs us all of our rights. Because people being high is the most important issue our country faces right now, and we must devote all resources to stopping them. I mean, what's more dangerous than a plant growing out of the ground?


16 posted on 12/21/2005 10:49:39 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Know your rights
"... including visits by undercover DEA agents who purchased drugs without medical necessity or other documentation"

Actually, the dispensaries are breaking federal law AND state law -- they are not allowed to sell medical marijuana under Proposition 215.

Why isn't the State of California closing down these businesses? You do believe in the rule of law, don't you MrLeRoy?

Oh, wait. You only obey those laws you agree with, not those the majority of the people passed. I forgot.

Simply amazing. You got what you wanted -- legal medical marijuana and still that's not good enough. Your side blew it. You got too greedy too fast, and people now see this "program" for what it really is -- a scam.

17 posted on 12/25/2005 5:51:09 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: mysterio
"I mean, what's more dangerous than a plant growing out of the ground?"

Kids smoking it?

18 posted on 12/25/2005 5:52:35 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Wolfie
Crying 2
19 posted on 12/25/2005 5:57:00 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: thoughtomator

And DEA agents get a big Christmas bonus, once they unload that pot to their buddies on the street.


Just filling in their quotas before the new year...New suits and kevlar on the way boys. ffs


20 posted on 12/25/2005 6:02:11 AM PST by kajingawd (" happy with stone underhead, let Heaven and Earth go about their changes")
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To: robertpaulsen
You only obey those laws you agree with, not those the majority of the people passed. I forgot.

In my opinion, there is honor in disobeying unjust laws. Rosa Parks is the obvious example of this. I also have the utmost respect for folks who disobey gun licensing and registration laws.

Hope you and yours are having a great Christmas.

21 posted on 12/25/2005 12:01:19 PM PST by jmc813
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To: robertpaulsen
Actually, the dispensaries are breaking federal law AND state law -- they are not allowed to sell medical marijuana under Proposition 215.

Just curious. How are the dispensaries remunerated? Are they supposed to be compensated by the state?

22 posted on 12/25/2005 5:31:08 PM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: jmc813
"Rosa Parks is the obvious example of this"

You're equating racial discrimination with our current drug laws? Please.

23 posted on 12/25/2005 5:39:51 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: JTN
"How are the dispensaries remunerated? Are they supposed to be compensated by the state?"

When the citizens of the State of California passed Proposition 215, they envisioned medical marijuana patients either growing their own or obtaining it (free) from a caregiver who grew it for them and/or others.

Proposition 215 does not authorize the sale of marijuana for any reason. The sale of marijuana for any reason in California is against state law (felony) and against federal law.

Why is the State of California going against the will of the people and not enforcing this law? You DO believe in the rule of law, don't you?

24 posted on 12/25/2005 5:54:29 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
When the citizens of the State of California passed Proposition 215, they envisioned medical marijuana patients either growing their own or obtaining it (free) from a caregiver who grew it for them and/or others.

And even more narrowly, it was supposed to be their primary caregiver.

26 posted on 12/26/2005 6:04:14 AM PST by Mojave
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To: robertpaulsen
You're equating racial discrimination with our current drug laws?

It's outrageous how pot smokers have to ride in the back of the bus!

27 posted on 12/26/2005 6:10:35 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave
"And even more narrowly, it was supposed to be their primary caregiver."

And even more narrowly, "(e) For the purposes of this section, ''primary caregiver" means the individual designated by the person exempted under this section who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety of that person.

28 posted on 12/26/2005 7:03:32 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Mojave
"It's outrageous how pot smokers have to ride in the back of the bus!"

We shall (cough) overcome, dude.

29 posted on 12/26/2005 7:04:48 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
You're equating racial discrimination with our current drug laws? Please.

No. I'm being philisophic and saying that it's sometimes morally OK to disobey the law. Would you agree with the two examples I provided?

30 posted on 12/26/2005 7:14:36 AM PST by jmc813
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Here at NORML, we receive at least one phone call or email per day from a victim of cannabis prohibition declaring themselves and their criminal case “the next Rosa Parks.”
Ghouls.
31 posted on 12/26/2005 7:20:21 AM PST by Mojave
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To: jmc813
"Would you agree with the two examples I provided?"

No, I wouldn't.

You think you can end discrimination by writing laws protecting people like Rosa Parks? You think things will be better in this country if people are forced to allow Rosa Parks to sit in the front of the bus?

I mean if you, personally, have something against the licensing and registration of certain weapons, you are free to ignore the law. But don't think you're acting in some sort of high-level moral capacity, understandable and acceptable by society in general.

Stealing bread to feed your family, "pulling the plug" on a loved one in pain ... these are understandable, albeit illegal, actions. Refusing to register an illegal machine gun ... well, I doubt you'll get much sympathy in a court of law.

Work to change the laws. Get a consensus. Campaign to change the hearts and minds. Educate people. That's the way it's done. That way it's permanent.

32 posted on 12/26/2005 7:39:06 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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You think things will be better in this country if people are forced to allow Rosa Parks to sit in the front of the bus?

If it were a private company that would be one thing, but the bus was run by a government agency. You bet I think things are better off that way.

Stealing bread to feed your family, "pulling the plug" on a loved one in pain ... these are understandable, albeit illegal, actions. Refusing to register an illegal machine gun ... well, I doubt you'll get much sympathy in a court of law. Work to change the laws. Get a consensus. Campaign to change the hearts and minds. Educate people. That's the way it's done. That way it's permanent.

The unique problem with firearms is that by the time one works to change those laws, it might be too late. Ensuring that there is an armed populace, legal or not, is absolutely moral. In fact, in my opinion, complying with these laws would actually be immoral.

33 posted on 12/26/2005 8:40:02 AM PST by jmc813
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the bus was run by a government agency

So the local government agency, not Rosa Parks, was violating the law. The comparison with dope fails.

34 posted on 12/26/2005 8:49:19 AM PST by Mojave
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You do believe in the rule of law, don't you MrLeRoy?

Absolutely ... the state should take acton against those breaking state law.

Oh, wait. You only obey those laws you agree with, not those the majority of the people passed.

No, that's another of the straw men you choose to battle rather than taking on my actual positions.

35 posted on 12/26/2005 8:58:08 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: creedence
I could care less about some potheads whining.

So why did you post?

36 posted on 12/26/2005 9:06:08 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Neville72
Dude, you're from Louisiana, you've got no room to bag on California.
37 posted on 12/26/2005 9:11:00 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Mojave

Roscoe, is that you?


38 posted on 12/26/2005 9:14:25 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Mojave
So the local government agency, not Rosa Parks, was violating the law.

Kindly explain why the driver was not arrested and Parks was.

39 posted on 12/26/2005 9:29:42 AM PST by jmc813
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Roscoe, is that you?

It is. Even though the debating tactics he's using on this thread are weak, it is nice to have a somewhat intelligent anti-WOD poster other than Paulsen back around here.

40 posted on 12/26/2005 9:31:42 AM PST by jmc813
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To: robertpaulsen
We shall (cough) overcome, dude.

I'd expect such debating tactics out of Rosc, oops, Mojave, but not you. We're dicussing whether it is ever morally OK to break the law. It has the potential to be an interesting philisophical discussion. Accusing people of "equating" two different issues stifles such debate. You see that a lot amongst the pro-illegal immigration freepers.

Anyhow, we'll have to pick this up tomorrow. I'm about to leave my parents' home in Maryland and head back to dirty Jersey to watch the Jets lose tonight. Hope your Xmas was nice.

41 posted on 12/26/2005 9:35:49 AM PST by jmc813
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"Dude, you're from Louisiana,"

Not for long. i'm outa this piss pot in less than 2 months.

Yipppeeee!


42 posted on 12/26/2005 9:56:11 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Know your rights

Sounds way too much like prohibition.


43 posted on 12/26/2005 9:57:19 AM PST by Casloy
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To: thoughtomator
And DEA agents get a big Christmas bonus, once they unload that pot to their buddies on the street.

That reminds me of a well publicized marijuana plantation raid that made the news when I was in Hawaii.
I watched the news clip as 6 foot tall plants - loaded with buds – were chopped down. I watched as they were loaded into police vehicles. I watched as the plants were heaped on a bonfire to dispose of the terrible weed. Not a bud in sight. Somehow the buds (the only part of the plant with commercial value in Hawaii) disappeared between confication and disposal.
44 posted on 12/26/2005 10:01:53 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: robertpaulsen
You're equating racial discrimination with our current drug laws? Please.

There was a time when racial discrimination was the Law of the Land.
45 posted on 12/26/2005 10:04:49 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Under alcohol prohibition, whiskey was available for "medical" purposes. That loophole was abused too.


46 posted on 12/26/2005 10:05:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Know your rights

I've been waiting for this to happen. It's interesting that they didn't arrest anyone.


47 posted on 12/26/2005 10:05:58 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Neville72

Good luck to you.


48 posted on 12/26/2005 10:06:54 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: jmc813
[So the local government agency, not Rosa Parks, was violating the law.]

Kindly explain why the driver was not arrested and Parks was.

1. The driver wasn't the local government agency.

2. The 14th Amendment has no penalty clause.

3. Rosa Parks ultimately prevailed.

Your turn.

How can you disparage Rosa Parks by equating her acts with a smoking dope?

49 posted on 12/26/2005 11:04:34 AM PST by Mojave
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you're from Louisiana, you've got no room to bag on California.

I read that too. Some amazing comments here. What America witnessed in Louisiana after Katrina blew the roof off, was a display immoral criminal corruption and government scandal rarely seen in modern America.

50 posted on 12/26/2005 11:24:35 AM PST by Jigsaw John
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