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THE ENEMY WITHIN: COMMUNISTS IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING
NewsWithViews.com ^ | December 21, 2005 | Craig Roberts

Posted on 12/21/2005 12:23:46 PM PST by robowombat

THE ENEMY WITHIN: COMMUNISTS IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING

Craig Roberts December 21, 2005 NewsWithViews.com

I currently live in a rural Oklahoma county, one that is heavily Democrat Party populated. Almost all of my neighbors, mostly farmers and ranchers, are life-long Democrats. Every one of them are great folks, and more importantly, very patriotic Americans.

We seldom discuss politics, but when we do it generally has to do with some “stupid law” that “those people in Washington” come up with that hurts agriculture, the price of beef, the price of fuel, or federal regulations that keep farmers and ranchers from earning a decent living. Little is said about the world condition, the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, or politics in general. More attention is given to the weather, and lately the lack of rain, than to the number of roadside bombs or morale of the population of Iraq.

However, recently I got into a “fence conference” with one of my neighbors. This is a typical “how’s it goin’” session where we meet at our fenceline and lean on the barbed wire while we discuss whatever comes to mind. Our conversation eventually turned to politics, and to “what those old boys in Washington” are up to.

I’ll call my neighbor John for privacy’s sake.

John asked, “Wonder when we’ll get our boys outta Iraq?”

“Well, John, I guess when the military says it’s safe to turn the country over to the Iraqi government and their army and police forces are ready to handle the terrorists on their own.”

“We shouldn’t have been there in the first place,” said John, picking up a piece of Johnson grass to pick his teeth with.

“Oh, and why not? Iraq was a country that harbored and supported terrorists, and was intent on making nuclear, biological and chemical weapons to use against anyone Hussein got mad at.”

“Naw,” said John. “Bush lied.”

I had been waiting months to broach this topic with John, and especially for him to give me an opening to discuss what has happened to his Democrat party over the years since World War II. I knew that John was a FDR/Harry Truman Democrat, as most mainstream southern and mid-west Democrats are, and he had little knowledge of what had happened to his Grand Pappy’s Party.

“John, why do you say 'Bush lied'”?

“’Cause he did. Everyone knows that. He lied about them weapons of mass destruction, and that Hussein guy’s being tied to that bin Laden.”

“Actually, John, he didn’t lie at all. Before I retired from the military I saw satellite photos of a place called Salman Pak in Iraq where Hussein was training Arab terrorists from all over the world, including al Qaeda types. We knew of bin Laden back in the 80s, and where he got his support. Also, I saw photos of installations that were in the mountains in Iraq where Hussein was manufacturing and storing chemicals and biological weapons. Finally, my nephew was a Captain in Baghdad with the Army and saw a huge underground storage facility where 55 gallon drums of chemicals had been stored and had recently been moved.”

“If all that were true, we’d hear about it in the news and in the newspapers.”

“John, when the same people run the papers and other media outlets as run your party, you won’t hear of this stuff.”

“What?” exclaimed John. “And who are those people?”

“Mostly communists and international socialists. The same anti-American groups that control or drive the Democrat party these days at the national level, and who control most of the Democratic representatives and senators, control what you and I see and hear from the media organizations. The communists learned long ago that to control a country, you had to control the minds of the people, and you do this with the media. It’s agenda-driven propaganda. They can either lie, bend the truth, or not report on something. It’s simple.”

“You’re crazy. There ain’t no danged commies in the Democratic party. I woulda heard about ‘em.”

And there’s the rub. No politician is going to step forward and say they support communism or international socialism. But they do vote that way, and the true communist and socialist organizations have agendas that are either part of the Democratic National Convention (DNC) agenda, or parallel it.

The Communist Party of the USA of the 1930s through the 1950s determined that the Soviet brand of Communism would not be able to make progress in a country that was involved in a Cold War with the USSR, feared Castro in Cuba, and was preparing for war in Southeast Asia against Communism, so a decision was made to inject itself into the existing leftist party of sufficient size: The Democrat Party. Then, if they could have their infiltrators work their way to the top, the Democrat Party would become the vehicle to advance the agenda of “the Workers of the World,” and eventually the New Communist Man.

The plan was multi-faceted, and all backed by Moscow. Over a period of time, take over the media, take over the educational system, attack religion and get God out of every facet of life as possible, use minorities, labor unions, and disaffected groups to further their goals, and shift the country as far left as possible using laws, regulations, and the court system. Add to this taking over the federal courts, increasing the size and number of the social programs, make people more reliant on government (and less on God, family and local communities), and finally try to disarm the American public. Peasants with firearms were not conducive to totalitarianism.

By the mid 1960s, both Moscow and Hanoi were very involved in creating media events that would change the attitude of the American people against out war effort in Vietnam. The KGB funded several anti-war movements, organized protest marches, and placed sympathizers and out-and-out socialists into our media organizations. Every one of them were members of the Democrat Party.

Senator Joe McCarthy (R-Wis) who conducted investigations in the 1950s for the Senate Anti-American Activities Committee (renamed the House Internal Security Committee in 1969 and abolished in 1975) was viciously attacked when he tried to expose Communists in various positions in politics, entertainment, the media and the business world. One example was Alger Hiss, who was a key player in the formation of the United Nations, and who later proved to be a spy for the Soviet Union, just as McCarthy alleged. But the media attack on “Tailgunner Joe” McCarthy and his committee was relentless and to this day, McCarthy and his “McCarthyism” is synonymous with “witch hunt.”

Still, the various Communist and Socialist parties, many of which have ties to governments of countries with anti-American agendas, gravitate to, or have members that reside in the Democrat Party. In fact, one extreme-left socialist organization that follows doctrine is the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Members of this group include such leftists as: Barbara Lee, Lynn Woolsey, founder (and Senate hopeful) Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich , Jan Schakowsky, John Conyers, Maurice Hinchey, George Miller, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Bob Filner, Diane DeGette, Alcee Hastings, John Lewis, Patsy Mink, Jesse Jackson Jr. III, John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler, Jamor Owens, Charles Rangel, Dennis Kucinch, Sherrod Brown, Peter DeFazio, Robert C. Scott, James McDermitt, and Barney Frank, to name a few. There are more than fifty members to date, all Democrats. And the most socialistic (read “Communistic”) of our politicians are a band of rabid anti-American socialists: Charles Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Fienstein, Frank Lautenburg, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid and others, all Democrats. Of note is the fact that the Communist Party of the USA and the Chinese Communist Party “endorsed” John Kerry in the last election.

There is an old saying that “birds of a feather flock together.” Nothing could be more true when it comes to agendas that all work in the same direction. Below is a list of just a few far left wing organizations that have infiltrated, support, or vote Democrat:

Communist Party USA Democratic Socialists of America Socialist Party USA Socialist Workers Party Workers Socialist Party USA Social Democrats USA

There are more, but suffice it to say that the local Democrat Party representatives at the city and county level, to the most part, are clueless that their party has been taken over or being steered by the above organizations. Add to this the DNC’s support of the most heinous agenda items to come down the pike since World War II: Massive Welfare, horrendous tax increases and social spending, abortion, support of the homosexual agenda, inception of NAFTA and GATT to create socialist trade zones and encourage our corporations to move our factories out of the country (which reduces our self sufficiency), taking over our local schools and teaching methods with NEA-directed federal “programs,” disarmament and reduction of our military, disarmament of our population with steady attacks on the 2nd Amendment, creation of “hate speech” laws that destroy the 1st Amendment, alleged “separation of church and state” and its resultant persecution of Christianity—and God.

How is all of this accomplished? Simply put, it has come in a doctrine of Fabian Socialism. Unlike pure Communism, where a political agenda is instituted at the end of a gun, Fabian Socialism drives its agenda with patient gradualism. It is done with legislation, one law at a time. With regulations, created by un-elected bureaucrats who are given powers by being in positions of authority inside agencies that are invented to control various aspects of our lives, such as the EPA, OSHOA, Department of the Interior, Department of Labor, Food and Drug Administration, and the totally un-Constitutional Department of Health, Education and Welfare, and now the Department of Homeland Security, among others.

In the 1950s, Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev made the bold statement “We will bury you without firing a shot.” No one knew exactly what he meant at the time, but we can now see that Russian Marxist-Leninism has manifested itself within not just the Democrat Party at the national level, but within our Congress and Senate and most of our government institutions. Their goals are being achieved, and they have yet to fire a shot. And they are being supported by good Americans like John, who is a dyed-in-the-wool Yellow Dog Democrat, simply because his daddy was, and his grandpappy, No other reason. Just vote Democrat.

Are the Republicans at the national level any different, or better? That’s the topic for another column. But I have come to realize over the years that the only difference between Democrats and Republicans at the national level is this: if the Democrats decide to burn down Washington, the Republicans vote to compromise and burn it down over a two week period. The end result is the same. And as for upholding the Constitution, President Bush’s failure to secure our borders, his failure to reduce government spending and bureaucracies, and his latest drive to keep the so-called “Patriot Act” in place—and permanent—shows that neither party can be trusted to “keep the faith” of the American people and adhere to the limits of the Constitution. Ask any politician what the meaning of the 10th Amendment is and they will give you a blank stare. No politician wants to wear that Amendment’s handcuffs when it comes to making laws or spending money.

My neighbor, John, is a good church going Christian. He’s getting on in years and takes pride in being an elder and a deacon in his country Baptist church. I just had to ask him after explaining much of what is written above, “John, how can you call yourself a Christian and turn around and vote for Democrats?”

“What do you mean?”

“Well, consider what Scripture says about homosexuals, killing babies, stealing, bearing false witness and its persecution of Christianity, removal of prayer and God from the schools you and I pay for, and the removal of religious symbols from our public places, not to mention now telling folks they can’t even say ‘Merry Christmas” because it might offend someone, how can you support such a party? Furthermore, can’t you see that all of this has been and continues to be the Communist agenda? You can’t have Communism and God both existing in the same country, when Communism is atheist and cannot tolerate competition.”

John looked speculative for a moment, then looked up at the heavens.

“Think we’ll ever get some rain?”

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Craig Roberts has lived a life many people only dream about. He is an internationally published author of over a dozen books, has written hundred of magazine and newspaper articles, appeared in several shows on The History Channel, written for Time-Life books, hosted a radio talk show and appeared on scores of radio talk shows. He is a US Marine Vietnam combat veteran, where he served in a line company and as a Marine sniper--hence his extensive writing on marksmanship, sniping, weapons and the 2nd Amendment.

He is also a career police officer, having retired in 1996 with over 26 years of service with the Tulsa Police Department, where he served in patrol division, undercover assignments, SWAT (Special Operations), and as a police helicopter pilot with the Air Support Unit for 14 years. He has had a dual career, while serving as a police officer he continued his military career in the reserves where he completed 30 years total service in 1999 as an infantry and intelligence officer.

He retired at the rank of lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserve. Craig is a highly decorated combat veteran, and holds four medals from the police department including the Tulsa Police Department's second highest award, the Medal of Valor. Craig is an contributing writer for NewsWithViews.com and the author of The Medusa File: Crimes and Coverups of the US Government, Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza, and One Shot--One Kill: America's Combat Snipers among others.

Websites: www.riflewarrior.com and www.chouteautel.com/~centurion007/

E-Mail: craig@riflewarrior.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushlied; fifthcolumn; mediacraticparty
Not to be confused with Paul Craig Roberts.
1 posted on 12/21/2005 12:23:47 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

if the Democrats decide to burn down Washington, the Republicans vote to compromise and burn it down over a two week period. The end result is the same.

At least someone "gets it".


2 posted on 12/21/2005 12:30:09 PM PST by sheana
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To: robowombat

For some reason I don't think John listened to one word.


3 posted on 12/21/2005 12:30:37 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: robowombat
Not to be confused with Paul Craig Roberts.

And that's good. Very good.


4 posted on 12/21/2005 12:33:35 PM PST by rdb3 (This is a ch__ch. What's missing?)
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To: robowombat
“If all that were true, we’d hear about it in the news and in the newspapers.”

Sick, sick, sick. This is exactly what the DemonRAT based is made of these days. They believe everything they see and hear on the Communist News Network and Errhead America. There truly is a Fifth Column operating in this country and it is about time we take action to disrupt it or we will all be dead. "BUSH LIED, and must be impeached." the DemonRAT mantra these days. Errhead America's Malloy last night came very close to outright telling his listeners that violence will have to occur in the streets if Bush is not impeached via the Congress, since he is so evil and Hitlarian like. He was sitting in for the 2nd most far lefty - that skank Rhodes! Bush never lied to anyone - the LIARS are the NYT, WaPo, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, DNC, and most of the DemonRAT Congresscritters - they are the LIARS and it becomes more evident every day. IF the American people cannot realize this, they deserve who they get as representation and whatever happens.

5 posted on 12/21/2005 12:40:49 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: Echo Talon

Do you think they'll ever get some rain?


6 posted on 12/21/2005 12:42:11 PM PST by tiki
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To: p23185

There are some typos here. Also, Dennis Kucinich was mentioned twice. Does that make him twice as much of a commie? :)


7 posted on 12/21/2005 12:43:11 PM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: robowombat
Wow! Deja vu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just had this same conversation with a Liberal friend, over the phone, back in Massachusetts.

8 posted on 12/21/2005 12:48:25 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: robowombat; hellinahandcart
Actually i did. I thought to myself, this can't be the same guy!
9 posted on 12/21/2005 12:50:52 PM PST by sauropod (Walk with the King today and be a blessing.)
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To: p23185

There truly is a Fifth Column operating in this country and it is about time we take action to disrupt it or we will all be dead.
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More and more are getting it -- good news.


10 posted on 12/21/2005 12:52:18 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: robowombat
Socialism = redistribution of wealth
Communism = Consolidation of Power

I agree with the Author 100%..
Socialism / Communism is rife within the Democratic Party, and has made serious inroads in the Republican Party.. ( say RINO, then tell me I'm lyin'.. )

The road to Communism begins with the very first step..

11 posted on 12/21/2005 12:52:52 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Echo Talon; robowombat
"For some reason I don't think John listened to one word."
Exactly as tens of millions of Americans. And I know a number of them personally. Explain in detail to them what this article hints at, and they look at me with glazed eyes.
But alas. I say nothing new, most Freepers are not accutely aware of.
12 posted on 12/21/2005 12:53:06 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: robowombat
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"Whoda thought the democrats would do that to me.""
13 posted on 12/21/2005 12:56:30 PM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: sheana
The story would have been more fitting had it included a parallel run down of the republican party rather than leaving it for a later time.

Roberts just seems to be unable to be totally honest and say the same people own and operate BOTH parties.

14 posted on 12/21/2005 1:03:05 PM PST by cynicom
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To: robowombat

There is a good article in the FR archives about Cultural Marxism that basically says the same thing. Everyone should read it. Good post.


15 posted on 12/21/2005 1:03:48 PM PST by oneofmany (Salus populi suprema lex)
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To: tiki
Do you think they'll ever get some rain?

:D

16 posted on 12/21/2005 1:04:21 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Marine_Uncle

i know its sad. :(


17 posted on 12/21/2005 1:06:46 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: robowombat
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i'm rereading Witness by Whittaker Chambers and it chills me right down to the bone colder than the snow on my roof...
18 posted on 12/21/2005 1:07:07 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Echo Talon

"I know its sad." Indeed it is.


19 posted on 12/21/2005 1:10:18 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: robowombat
Unfortunately, like "John", too many Americans simply do not understand that...


We've been preconditioned to believe that "if it isn't true, they can't say it on TV"


We've also fail to understand that most of what we read in our papers and see on television is the product of only a handful of giant corporations and that Iraq is an on-going example of the dishonest and blatantly incendiary "reporting" by agenda driven representatives of these mega-corporations' ~ reporting specifically intended to undermine national and international confidence in President Bush and his administration.




Yet, under the Clinton Administration (and despite laws specifically designed to prevent it) merger after merger took place until finally, by the end of the millennium, a handful of mega-corporations totally controlled the flow of news, information and entertainment within this country ~
this includes books, magazines, television, newspapers, movies, music, internet access, etc.,etc.  

The actual number of corporations dominating most of every mass medium dropped, under clinton's administration, from from 23 media firms to 6 mega-media corporations by the Spring of 2000! But even this number is deceiving ~ the power and influence of these mega-conglomerates is understated by counting them as 'six.' For, in reality, these six are actually intertwined: they own stock in each other, they cooperate in joint media ventures, and among themselves they divide profits from some of the most widely viewed programs on television, cable and movies.

  As foreseen by the Supreme Court in 1945, this consolidation of power and control has been to the detriment of us all as the media role has shifted from ensuring democracy to undermining the function of true democracy

Under this condensed, goal oriented management, our nation's "Guardians Of The Peoples Right to Know" have mutated into little more than "information brokers" and "opinion shapers" who present very specific information in a manner which meets a very specific agenda.   Shielded behind the cloak of 'journalism' and without regard for truth, accuracy, or impartiality, a countless variety of sources now continually present us with carefully manufactured versions of world events. Sadly, like Mr. Roberts' neighbor John, most citizens are completely unaware that 'news' stories repeated by numerous, and seemingly 'different' sources are actually a single, unencumbered voice.

A review of the outrageously provocative "coverage" of Hurricane Katrina and NOLA serves to underscore the extent to which the "MSM" has joined forces with the radical left in an all out effort to overthrow a standing president. Such a review clearly demonstrates that they are not merely complaisant in this assault on the presidency of George W. Bush but that they, in fact, active participants!



The above Joseph Pulitzer quote appears on an inscribed plaque visible to all upon enter the halls of the Columbia School of Journalism.



20 posted on 12/21/2005 1:12:43 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: EagleUSA

I truly wouldn't mind waking up one morning to find a few of the most seditious swinging from a bridge in DC.


21 posted on 12/21/2005 1:13:38 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: TNCMAXQ

Yes! Dennis the Rat, is twice and much of a
Commie Plague Rat, as your run of the mill
Leftie "Progressive-ly DimoGenerate" Party
apparatchik.


22 posted on 12/21/2005 1:23:56 PM PST by Baby Driver
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To: Zacs Mom

THAT, is one good post....... thank you


23 posted on 12/21/2005 1:34:41 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: robowombat

Great post.

Americans need to wake the f up.

You all here should read the real story of American statism, which is not to say commies haven't had a disatrous impact on the American ideological physche, for they have in large part,if not the whole.

http://praxeology.net/RC-BRS.htm

The beginning is dry but totally necessary to a full understanding of historians and their role, and in our retaking America's TRUE history back from the socialist propagandists in Govt schools.

Would that we could fire every career Govt employee whose interests are always at odds with we who pay their salaries!!!


24 posted on 12/21/2005 1:35:37 PM PST by Marxbites
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To: Echo Talon
Probably not. But I'm printing it out, anyway, and showing it to my mother-in-law. A good woman, if somewhat clueless and with too close a resemblance to Marie Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond
25 posted on 12/21/2005 1:40:48 PM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: robowombat

later read.


26 posted on 12/21/2005 1:48:01 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: robowombat
There's some major flaws in this article:
"Senator Joe McCarthy (R-Wis) who conducted investigations in the 1950s for the Senate Anti-American Activities Committee"...

"Senate Anti-American Activities Committee" (renamed the House Internal Security Committee in 1969 and abolished in 1975)..."

  1. There never was any committee named "Senate Anti-American Activities Committee"

  2. McCarthy was Chairman of the Government Committee on Operations of the Senate

  3. The House committee was HUAC - the House Un-American Activities Committee and was established in 1937. It was renamed the Internal Security Committee in 1968.

  4. There never was nor ever will be any Senate Committee "later renamed" anything that has to do with the House.
What everyone keeps FORGETTING (including Bill O'Reilly) is that McCarthy was a SENATOR and had ZERO to do with the House and the Senate itself also has ZERO to do with the House.

And committing major errors of fact in an article, especially easy ones as above, diminishes the author's whole point and makes him look like a raving moonbat.

27 posted on 12/21/2005 1:57:16 PM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: robowombat

I am a political refugee from the Eastern Europe and am amazed how come the born Americans do not see and realize what is going on.
I feel more and more like I still live in my old country, when I turn the TV on or open a newspaper.
We MUST awake and STOP this commies, or this country will go to hell and the entire world will become HELL, as a consequence.


28 posted on 12/21/2005 1:59:01 PM PST by dbostan
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To: robowombat
There's much to agree with here. But conservatives make total asses of themselves when they allow their writings to contain egregious errors of fact like this writer does. I'll focus only on an area I know about personally: Alger Hiss.

Joseph McCarthy had absolutely nothing to do with Alger Hiss or his conviction as a spy. Hiss was fingered by former Communist agent Whittaker Chambers and it was Richard Nixon, then a Congressman, who pursued Hiss's conviction before the House Unamerican Activities Committee. That was the sin Communists/Democrats could never forgive and was the real reason for Watergate.

McCarthy was a member of the Senate, not the House, and in 1953 became chairman of the Committee on Government Operations and the subcommittee on investigations. It was from that position he began his Communist-hunt.

This writer commits bloopers like: "Senator Joe McCarthy (R-Wis) who conducted investigations in the 1950s for the Senate Anti-American Activities Committee (renamed the House Internal Security Committee in 1969 and abolished in 1975)..."

Think about that a moment. How could a Senate committee be renamed a House committee? That's embarrassing to all intelligent conservatives.

The general thrust of Roberts's argument is pretty accurate but he's easy for the opposition to deride as silly when he makes fundamental errors like that.

29 posted on 12/21/2005 1:59:43 PM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Condor51; Bernard Marx

Yes, I don't understand why such elemental errors were made. This sort of thing is what the libs love to use to discredit those who argue that there are hidden sources that drive certain trends.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 2:05:55 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Where's Joe McCarthy?
wow, this reminds me of the 50's and 60's red scare.
commies everywhere, they're brainwashing all the poor folks into killing all the rich folks and taking all the money for themselves.

This type of talk is extremely dangerous, if you remember any of our recent history.

"Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

Hermann Goering president of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief

And as far as what the Bible says about homosexuality and the like, I challenge anyone to find anything that Jesus ever said about gays, abortion, or any of the other things the author mentioned.

Way to elevate the political discourse.


31 posted on 12/21/2005 2:10:02 PM PST by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: rightupnorth
One difference with the Herman's remarks is that most of those who call themselves pacifists in the US really only want the US to be pacifistic. Aggression and violence by various turd world types is both justified and even encouraged if it against America the guilty.
32 posted on 12/21/2005 2:19:23 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

"Aggression and violence ...is both justified and even encouraged if it against America the guilty."

this assertion illustrates a common opinion among many of us, and it is VERY dangerous. it's completely unproven and unprovable. i'm sure there are some "blame America firsters" out there, albeit very few. and they are, of course, magnified when they say things like Ward Churchill did. just like the Left magnifies crazy old Pat Robertson's comments about all kinds of things, does this mean that he speaks for all Christians? We all know that good ol' Pat means well, but i think he should stick to preaching and leave politics alone.

we will never be able to move forward together, as honest people with honest views, from legitimate positions, if we can't quit accusing each other of being commies and facists, baby killers and homophobes.

We, the people, are the only ones capable of destroying this country. And we are the only ones able to defend it from our government.


33 posted on 12/21/2005 2:36:28 PM PST by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: rightupnorth
You underestimate the generalized hatred for normal Americans and their culture and values by the 'politically correct' activist culture. Hilary Clinton is only the poster buzzard for these evil people because in her the mask occasionally slips and she starts ranting and screaming like the true Nazi she is. These people are pure evil and they are numerous in the ranks of opinion molders, nonprofit foundations, university staff, media people, professional Democrat politicians. There really is no basis for any communication with them. They can only be fought every day until they are driven out of power and kept out of power for good.
34 posted on 12/21/2005 2:46:44 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

i see that you still have the tinfoil firmly planted, i give up. you're right, the commies have taken over the democratic party and next thing you know we'll be calling each other comrade. i believe that about as much as i believe that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor. it's these kind of assertions that continually marginalize otherwise good people.

The minute you tell a lib that the dems are being infiltrated by commies their eyes automatically glaze over and they ask you "think it'll rain?"


35 posted on 12/21/2005 2:55:17 PM PST by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: robowombat

Interesting that anti-Communism has more staying power than communism itself.


36 posted on 12/21/2005 3:04:10 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (Hoc ad delectationem stultorum scriptus est)
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To: rightupnorth
It's not foil hattery to note the near foaming at the mouth loathing of rank and file Americans and their institutions by people such as Katherine McKinnon or Chumpsky. I invite you to attend a meeting of any organization that calls itself 'progressive' and listen to the tenor of the conversation. Pragmatic liberals these are not arrogant, ruthless, self obsessed, power hungry would be apparatchiks is what they are. I suppose seventy years ago these people did gravitate to various leftist groups. Today the spawn of the 60s and their epigoni are only to prevalent in the media, publishing, education and politics. And yes they do hate us and yes they would use the police powers of the state to force their views on the larger society if they ever got an opportunity.
37 posted on 12/21/2005 3:04:26 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

mmmmkay
whatever

i give up


38 posted on 12/21/2005 3:08:15 PM PST by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: Echo Talon
"For some reason I don't think John listened to one word."

I know, and am related to people like John. They hate (yes hate) Republicans because that's the party of the rich and/or people who have done a better job of winning life's lottery. In essence, they hate the rich and those that have more than they do. They hate minorities, and see government entitlements as a way to keep minorities powerless and as a way to punish the evil rich.

39 posted on 12/21/2005 3:14:38 PM PST by RushLake (Baghdad minus saddam hussein = Detroit)
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To: Chode

Another great read is The Venona Secrets. You're right, the Chambers book is chilling, and it sure answers a lot of questions about people like Hiss and the Rosenbergs as well as a lot of the communists and fellow travelers in the Roosevelt administration. I need to reread it myself.


40 posted on 12/21/2005 3:22:18 PM PST by RushLake (Baghdad minus saddam hussein = Detroit)
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To: robowombat
I remember watching "the Butcher of the Ukraine" say they would bury us on TV from the UN.

Fabianism, the Hegelian Dialectic, the apparent somnambulance of the majority of Americans in regards to the net negative changes to our culture, changes foisted by fraud and deception upon this nation, allowed by the inattention and ignorance of Americans, who seem to assume America is assured of continued unabated existence, in a hostile jungle of a world, without blood, sweat. and tears.

Shall our children, and their children, be Citizens or Subjects?

Shall they be Free or Dhimmi?

Cassandra cried in terror and frustration, but no tears fell, from no eyes.

Still, ...
41 posted on 12/21/2005 3:28:40 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Condor51
This author looks like "a raving moonbat" only to that third of the people who believe "Uncle Joe" was slandered by the Fascists of the West.

The Kool-aide drinkers of the entire spectrum of "left", (including the vile COMMIE B@STARDS), think long term, they have to, for now.

You cannot win a WAR you don't even believe you are fighting.

I've heard folks like you my entire life, dismissing the real dangers to America as paranoia, while the intervening years have proved you wrong. Your ilk can never rouse yourselves until the house is engulfed in fire.

Thank the Lord that a third of the people have the eyes to see, and the will, and the ability, to ACT.

Freedom, some seek it, some fear it, some build it.
42 posted on 12/21/2005 3:52:05 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: RushLake

yup...

http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/venona/part1.htm http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/venona/part2.htm


43 posted on 12/21/2005 6:05:06 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: dbostan
We MUST awake and STOP this commies, or this country will go to hell and the entire world will become HELL, as a consequence.

The twisted philosophy of Stalin and Hitler imo are not the threat so much today, it's one world globalism based on the European Union model whereby the nation-state is phased out and power becomes concentrated in the hands of a few faceless un-elected bureaucrats. That at least is certainly the desire of many influential people in government and the corporate elite today who don't even try to hide these goals anymore.

44 posted on 12/21/2005 7:59:30 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: RushLake
I know, and am related to people like John. They hate (yes hate) Republicans because that's the party of the rich and/or people who have done a better job of winning life's lottery. In essence, they hate the rich and those that have more than they do. They hate minorities, and see government entitlements as a way to keep minorities powerless and as a way to punish the evil rich.

I consider myself a Republican and i'm poor. Yes, poor.

45 posted on 12/21/2005 10:25:14 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Zacs Mom

We've been preconditioned to believe that "if it isn't true, they can't say it on TV"


or in print. BTTT


46 posted on 12/21/2005 10:36:38 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Echo Talon

I'm a poor conservative that tends to vote Republican. My comment was meant to illustrate the perceptions of some of the "Johns" of the world; not insult you my poor Republican friend. All the best and Merry Christmas.


47 posted on 12/22/2005 4:42:18 AM PST by RushLake (Baghdad minus saddam hussein = Detroit)
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To: RushLake

just wanted to point out that not all of us are rich.


48 posted on 12/22/2005 4:58:11 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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