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Experts Say Wiretap Fight May Taint Cases
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/21/05 | Ted Bridis - ap

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:27:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration's decision to sometimes bypass the secretive U.S. court that governs terrorism wiretaps could threaten cases against terror suspects that rely on evidence uncovered during the disputed eavesdropping, some legal experts cautioned.

These experts pointed to this week's unprecedented resignation from the government's spy court by U.S. District Judge James Robertson as an indicator of the judiciary's unease over domestic wiretaps ordered without warrants under a highly classified domestic spying program authorized by President Bush.

Neither Robertson nor the White House would comment Wednesday on his abrupt resignation from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the little-known panel of 11 U.S. judges that secretively approves wiretaps and searches in the most sensitive terrorism and espionage cases. But legal experts were astonished.

"This is a very big deal. Judges get upset with government lawyers all the time, but they don't resign in protest unless they're really offended to the point of saying they're being misused," said Kenneth C. Bass, a former senior Justice Department lawyer who oversaw such wiretap requests during the Carter administration.

"This was definitely a statement of protest," agreed Scott Silliman, a former Air Force attorney and Duke University law professor. "It is unusual because it signifies that at least one member of the court believes that the president has exceeded his legal authority."

Robertson's surprise resignation added to a chorus of pointed questions in Washington over the propriety of the surveillance, which the White House said had successfully detected and prevented attacks inside the United States.

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he intends to begin oversight hearings in January to assess the stated justifications for the spying.

"When the attorney general says the force resolution gives the president the power to conduct these surveillances, I have grave doubts about that," Specter said.

Separately, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Jane Harman of California, said she was informed about the program in 2003 and believes it is "essential to U.S. national security." But Harman also complained it was inappropriate for the White House to discuss the secret program only with leaders of the intelligence committees.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (news, bio, voting record), R-Mich., the committee chairman, said he participated in at least six briefings on the spying program since August 2004. He said he is comfortable the surveillance was aimed at al-Qaida terrorists and people associated with al-Qaida inside the United States. Hoekstra also said lawmakers who were notified about the surveillance won't resign like Robertson.

"We all decided that we are going to stay, and we are going to keep our jobs," he said.

Under the spying program, secretly authorized by President Bush in October 2001, the National Security Agency was permitted to eavesdrop without a judge's approval on communications between suspected terrorists overseas and people inside the United States.

Officials have said they only performed such wiretaps when there was a reasonable basis to conclude that the conversation included a suspected terrorist and one party was overseas. Citing national security, officials have declined to say how many times they have done so.

A court-approved wiretap under traditional surveillance law requires a higher legal standard, demonstrating probable cause to the spy court that the target is an agent of a foreign power, such as a terrorist group. That law also says no such wiretaps can be performed except under its provisions.

Since the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, the government has focused on preventing and disrupting attacks rather than building court cases against suspected terrorists. But experts cautioned that future legal prosecutions could be tainted if evidence was uncovered about a terror plot using a wiretap determined to be improper.

"Imagine if there is evidence critical to a criminal prosecution and the defendant challenges the evidence because it is constitutionally suspect," said Beryl Howell, former general counsel for the Senate Judiciary Committee. "It could jeopardize any criminal case."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cases; experts; fisa; homelandsecurity; jihadinamerica; nsa; patriotleak; taint; terrortrials; wiretap
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1 posted on 12/21/2005 6:27:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
These experts pointed to this week's unprecedented resignation from the government's spy court by U.S. District Judge James Robertson as an indicator of the judiciary's unease over domestic wiretaps ordered without warrants under a highly classified domestic spying program authorized by President Bush.

But no-one ever resigned over what Bubba was up to.

Go figure.

2 posted on 12/21/2005 6:30:12 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: NormsRevenge
None of these "experts" [ex, as in was, and spurt, as in drip under pressure] would ever, ever, let the facts, or the law, f*up a good story, or defense of a terrorist for that matter.
3 posted on 12/21/2005 6:32:49 PM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Legal Experts? Like John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, Geof Fieger?
4 posted on 12/21/2005 6:33:17 PM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Okay who is this guy U.S. District Judge James Robertson......???


5 posted on 12/21/2005 6:33:54 PM PST by cmsgop ( Bill Clinton's License Plate..... "Herpes 1")
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To: cmsgop

1994 Clinton appointee

Robertson, James
Born 1938 in Cleveland, OH

Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia
Nominated by William J. Clinton on September 14, 1994, to a seat vacated by George H. Revercomb; Confirmed by the Senate on October 7, 1994, and received commission on October 11, 1994.

Education:
Princeton University, B.A., 1959

George Washington University Law School, LL.B., 1965

Professional Career:
United States Navy Lieutenant, 1959-1964
Private practice, Washington, DC, 1965-1969
Chief counsel, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Jackson, Mississippi, 1969-1970
National director, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Washington, DC, 1970-1972
Private practice, Washington, DC, 1972-1994

Race or Ethnicity: White

Gender: Male


6 posted on 12/21/2005 6:36:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ah Haa! He had his own little STAR CHAMBER™ going on http://www.mcsm.org/secretmeeting.html


7 posted on 12/21/2005 6:37:11 PM PST by cmsgop ( Bill Clinton's License Plate..... "Herpes 1")
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To: NormsRevenge
We are not going to try these guys, we are going to kill them.
8 posted on 12/21/2005 6:37:17 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: NormsRevenge

Exactly what the pro-terrorists MSM and Democrats were hoping for...


9 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:13 PM PST by citizencon
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To: NormsRevenge
could threaten cases against terror suspects that rely on evidence uncovered during the disputed eavesdropping, some legal experts cautioned.

I don't think evidence gathered against a US Citizen using this method would be admissible in court. You might be able to say that there is no expectation of privacy on an international call.

10 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:45 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Perhaps we should be satisfied that if we prevent a devastating attack using the President's wartime powers, the legal mopping up operation will be messy. It will not mean that lives weren't saved and that the right thing wasn't done. We are having trouble prosecuting Massouwi, but he didn't get on another airplane.


11 posted on 12/21/2005 6:39:19 PM PST by sgtyork (If Osamma calls someone in the US, should the NSA hang up?)
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Please read post #7 Link, Am I crazy? This the same guy?


12 posted on 12/21/2005 6:39:28 PM PST by cmsgop ( Bill Clinton's License Plate..... "Herpes 1")
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To: NormsRevenge

After this got leaked, Rep Harman thinks the Administration didn't tell ENOUGH people????


13 posted on 12/21/2005 6:39:49 PM PST by digger48
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To: NormsRevenge
Not smart enough to get into a top law school, I see.
14 posted on 12/21/2005 6:40:11 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: cmsgop
Possible "leak" suspect?
Just a WAG...no supporting evidence either way.
BTW, it is most assuredly NOT "against the law" to conduct elaborate surveillance measures involving USA citizens with high level special security clearance access.
Just a factual tidbit to aid in the general discussions involving "super secret" stuff.
15 posted on 12/21/2005 6:42:06 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom

Click the link at #7


16 posted on 12/21/2005 6:43:45 PM PST by cmsgop ( Bill Clinton's License Plate..... "Herpes 1")
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To: NormsRevenge
This guy Bass testified a few years ago that he approved a warrantless search before he was able to get Jimmy Carter to make it official.

During our tenure the Department learned that a Vietnamese citizen in the United States was sending packages to Paris through a courier who happened to be a CIA agent. In Paris the documents were delivered to an official of the Vietnamese government. We were asked to approve a warrantless search of one of the packages. On the basis of the information then available to us, we declined to advise the Attorney General that we should invoke the foreign intelligence exception and engage in warrantless physical searches of the packages if there was a reasonable expectation of privacy. We did, however, conclude that the specific package in the courier’s possession was not protected by any reasonable privacy expectation and a search even in the context of a criminal investigation would not require a warrant. We thus authorized the courier to open the package and inspect its contents. That inspection revealed that classified government documents were indeed being transferred to a Vietnamese official in Paris. On the basis of that information and other investigations, we subsequently advised the Attorney General to obtain the President’s personal approval of subsequent searches of packages that were, in our opinion, protected by a reasonable expectation of privacy.

For more, see:

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/091002bass.html

17 posted on 12/21/2005 6:48:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge

And yet I've read on this very forum of lots of judges who say that this is entirely legal.


18 posted on 12/21/2005 6:49:23 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: cmsgop
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1544674/posts

Clintonista who tried to throw out Web Hubbell's cases.

Great quote here: Old Arkansas media hand Paul Greenberg has long had Robertson's number. In a 1999 column for Jewish World Review, Greenberg described the honorable judge as "one of the more prejudiced Clintonoids on the bench."

19 posted on 12/21/2005 6:52:53 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: cmsgop
Saw something similar earlier.
Deepthroat wannabe?
Sometimes, people involved in positions of power forget the limits of their assigned roles, and also forget the text on the legally binding documents and standard forms that granted them the opportunity and responsibility to wield that power.
Again, a WAG.
20 posted on 12/21/2005 6:58:00 PM PST by sarasmom (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.)
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