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Microsoft may face daily EU fine
BBC ^ | 2005/12/22 14:56:33 GMT | bbc

Posted on 12/22/2005 7:27:24 AM PST by zeugma

The European Commission has threatened to fine Microsoft up to 2m euros (£1.36m; $2.4m) a day until it gives rivals more access to its systems.

Brussels said the software giant had failed to supply adequate information about its server programs.

Microsoft has five weeks to provide improved documentation before the daily penalties are imposed.

But the group pledged to contest the EU's "unjustified" demands by whatever means possible.

'Changing demands'

"We will contest today's statement to the full extent permitted under EU law, including a full oral hearing on these issues," Microsoft legal chief Brad Smith said in a statement.

He added that the firm had done its utmost to comply with the EU's demands, but Brussels kept changing the goalposts.

"We've shipped a new version of Windows, we've paid a historic fine, and we've provided unprecedented access to Microsoft technology to promote interoperability with other industry players," Mr Smith added.

"In total, we have now responded to more than 100 requests from the Commission."

In a landmark ruling in March 2004, the world's biggest software firm was found guilty of abusing its position, hit with a record fine and told to open up its operating systems.

Data demand

Microsoft was also ordered "to disclose complete and accurate interface documentation which would allow non-Microsoft work group servers to achieve full interoperability with Windows PCs and servers".

The EU's second highest court - the Court of First Instance - later rejected an appeal by Microsoft and warned it to comply with the order by 15 December 2005, or face a daily fine.

But following two reports from a monitoring trust that has been checking information supplied by Microsoft, the European Commission says the software giant has failed to provide all the necessary detail.

It quoted the reports as saying the technical documentation was "totally unfit at this stage for its intended purpose".

Appeal plea

In September this year, Microsoft launched a second appeal against the March 2004 ruling - which included a 497m euro fine - in an effort to avoid giving more information on its server programs.

The firm argues that doing so would violate intellectual property rights.

"I have given Microsoft every opportunity to comply with its obligations," EU Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes said in a statement as the five-week deadline was issued.

"However, I have been left with no alternative other than to proceed via the formal route to ensure Microsoft's compliance."

The EU also warned that if Microsoft failed to provide the necessary information by 25 January, the daily fines would be backdated to 15 December 2005.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/4552214.stm

Published: 2005/12/22 14:56:33 GMT

© BBC MMV


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: convictedmonopoly; eu; fines; microsoft; monopoly
THis may cost Microsoft a fair penny, but it's still pocket change to them.
1 posted on 12/22/2005 7:27:26 AM PST by zeugma
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To: zeugma

Exactly. Bill Gates should just buy the EU and be done with it.


2 posted on 12/22/2005 7:33:09 AM PST by bushbuddy
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To: zeugma

Pocket change or not it's still BS.


3 posted on 12/22/2005 7:33:53 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

4 posted on 12/22/2005 7:34:35 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: zeugma

Typical socialists--dictate from on high rather than let the marketplace decide. The EU has their own crafty Norwegian that produced an open source OS--mandate its use if they must have open source software.


5 posted on 12/22/2005 7:37:12 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: zeugma

Microsoft haters, rejoice! Private industry and other supporters of capitalism, bend over!


6 posted on 12/22/2005 7:38:36 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: randog
The EU has their own crafty Norwegian Finn that produced an open source OS

Fixed it.

7 posted on 12/22/2005 7:39:53 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: zeugma

The people of the EU are well within their rights to not buy Microsoft software. Let em eat cake.


8 posted on 12/22/2005 7:42:00 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: ShadowAce

Thanks. I must have been overcome with a bout of Scandilexia...;^)


9 posted on 12/22/2005 7:42:13 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: zeugma

Pull out of the EU; make them come up with their own products for once. Lazy sobs.


10 posted on 12/22/2005 7:43:16 AM PST by Porterville (Keep your communism off my paycheck)
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To: zeugma

I wish MicroSoft would just pull out and let them use open source software for a while. If they want to set the rules, let them make their own software.


11 posted on 12/22/2005 7:48:49 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Most people will just shrug and say, MS have a deep pocket, so who cares. This is an atttempt by EU to kill Microsoft


12 posted on 12/22/2005 7:53:51 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: Cicero

I think Microsoft should consider pulling out of the EU and let their computer systems become outdated as they struggle to replace the Microsoft OS. Microsoft may lose short term business, but the EU would be hardpressed as the competing US and Asian corporations upgrade their computers every 18 months on Microsoft OS and hammer the hamstrung EU companies. It would end this EU attempt to access US trade secrets via commissions.


13 posted on 12/22/2005 7:55:01 AM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: bushbuddy

Or Microsoft could unleash viruses all over the EU and bring them to their knees. Oh wait, they're already doing that.


14 posted on 12/22/2005 7:56:05 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: 4rcane
This is an atttempt by EU to kill Microsoft

It's an attempt by the EU to have a cash flow to support lavish living in Brussels.

15 posted on 12/22/2005 7:56:55 AM PST by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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To: randog
I must have been overcome with a bout of Scandilexia...;^)

LOL! That's good. I like that line.

16 posted on 12/22/2005 7:57:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: VeniVidiVici
I don't know the particulars of everything the EU is asking for from MS, but in general, I believe that interoperability is good for everyone but microsoft. The majority of what the EU is pushing for is the opening up of APIs and protocols to allow other products to operate and integrate smoothly with microsoft products.

Samba has spent years attempting to provide connectivity to windows resources from non-windows computers such as those running UNIX, Linux, IBM System 390, OpenVMS, and other operating systems. This interoperability is a good thing, and it has taken much work to implement because the protocols used by microsoft are opaque, and must be reverse-engineered after every change. This is a waste of resources IMO, that could be better applied elsewhere.

17 posted on 12/22/2005 8:00:55 AM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Cicero

I wish MicroSoft would just pull out and let them use open source software for a while. If they want to set the rules, let them make their own software.

This would be great.....unfortunately Gates is far too polically correct to ever do the right thing.


18 posted on 12/22/2005 8:11:41 AM PST by newcthem (9/11- not terrorists - just troubled youths.)
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To: Fee
I think Microsoft should consider pulling out of the EU and let their computer systems become outdated as they struggle to replace the Microsoft OS.

Then they simply switch to Mac or Linux. It'll be a bit of a migration, but nothing that can't be overcome. Microsoft will NEVER allow its virtual monopoly to be broken, and pulling out of the EU would blow that there, and show to the world that you can run without Microsoft. I don't think that would be acceptable to Microsoft.

19 posted on 12/22/2005 8:15:51 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Fee
.. this EU attempt to access US trade secrets via commissions.

Any other companies that you know of consider interoperability information as a "trade secret"?

And which part of convicted monopolist do you not understand?

20 posted on 12/22/2005 8:23:45 AM PST by TechJunkYard (Don't be afraid of it: MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Fee
It would end this EU attempt to access US trade secrets via commissions.

Actually, it is government sponsored blackmail and extortion.

21 posted on 12/22/2005 8:31:18 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: antiRepublicrat

"Then they simply switch to Mac or Linux. It'll be a bit of a migration, but nothing that can't be overcome."

They why don't they simply do it now, and forget this stupid lawsuit idea ?


22 posted on 12/22/2005 8:34:56 AM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he is not guilty)
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To: RS
They why don't they simply do it now, and forget this stupid lawsuit idea ?

They are, partially. I was only pointing out that Microsoft can't really hurt anyone but themselves by pulling out of the market.

23 posted on 12/22/2005 8:48:37 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: zeugma
The European Commission has threatened to fine Microsoft up to 2m euros (£1.36m; $2.4m) a day until it gives rivals more access to its systems.

Wow! At this rate, they'll be bankrupt in 487 years...

24 posted on 12/22/2005 8:51:39 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

"The European Commission has threatened to fine Microsoft up to 2m euros (£1.36m; $2.4m) a day until it gives rivals more access to its systems."

Hhmmm ... Is it Microsoft that is not giving access ? ... or is it that people who own these servers and have bought and installed microsoft peoducts that are the ones limiting access to their servers ?

Food for thought...


25 posted on 12/22/2005 8:55:40 AM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he is not guilty)
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To: zeugma

What would the auto industry be today if GM, Ford, and Chrysler did the same thing?


26 posted on 12/22/2005 2:11:00 PM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: amigatec
What would the auto industry be today if GM, Ford, and Chrysler did the same thing?

Did what? Share their assembly methods? Or hide them?

You do realize that they all purchase competitors' products and disassemble them every year?

Every auto company in the world knows how their competition builds cars.

27 posted on 12/22/2005 2:32:41 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: newcthem
This would be great.....unfortunately Gates is far too polically correct to ever do the right thing.

He's so politically correct that he's willing to pay a fine for the "crime" of selling proprietary software?? That's pretty hard to believe.

28 posted on 12/22/2005 2:38:04 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Still Thinking

Welcome to facist liberal EU la-la land.


29 posted on 12/22/2005 3:00:09 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: amigatec

thestreet.com -- "Smith also charged that the commission's latest demand for internal workings of Windows to be documented and licensed is outside of the scope of the ruling and could open the door to producing clones of parts of its operating system."

What this is really about is the socialist retards at the EU wants the windows source code so they can hand billions in intellecutal property to european companies for free.

EU = more people sitting in the cart than pushing the cart.


30 posted on 12/22/2005 3:07:14 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: zeugma

Bill gates should just refuse to pay. If the EU is so desperate for an alternative then they can go right ahead and make their own.


31 posted on 12/22/2005 3:10:48 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
What this is really about is the socialist retards at the EU wants the windows source code...

Well, the precedent is already out there. China's got the source code.

32 posted on 12/22/2005 3:28:25 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Welcome to facist liberal EU la-la land.

I think you may have misunderstood me. Someone suggested MS should simply pull out of the EU and let them figure out how to run their computers themselves, and the poster to whom I replied wrote that Bill Gates was too PC to do the right thing. I was skeptical about how far Gates would go to be PC, not the EU.

33 posted on 12/22/2005 4:21:53 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: ShadowAce
Did what? Share their assembly methods? Or hide them?

You do realize that they all purchase competitors' products and disassemble them every year?

Every auto company in the world knows how their competition builds cars.

My point exactly.

I can go to any auto-parts store in the country and buy parts for my car.

I can go to walmart and buy tires, spark plugs, wiper blades and numerous other parts.

I can build a complete Chevy V8 motor and never buy a single GM part.

I say screw Microsoft.

Windows free since 2003.

34 posted on 12/22/2005 4:54:30 PM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: zeugma

Just let MS get out of EU and let EU go for Linux. Meanwhile, they will miss new versions of Windows while the rest of the world will have it.


35 posted on 12/22/2005 6:33:54 PM PST by Wiz
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To: Wiz
I doubt they will miss them.

I haven't.

36 posted on 01/08/2006 1:34:41 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Doohickey
Private industry and other supporters of capitalism, bend over!

Sure, why not. You self-labeled "supporters" of capitalism have been bent over for the company that gave their source code to the Chinese Communists, and who's founder gives lavishly to anti-American causes.

Do you get all misty about George Soros, too? He and Bill are fellow travelers after all.

37 posted on 01/08/2006 1:41:20 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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