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Mexico Upset with Border Wall
12/ 22/05 | Bob Haran

Posted on 12/22/2005 12:24:27 PM PST by Bob Haran

Mexico thinks it has a right to criticize the U.S. plan to build a 700 mile wall on our southern border to keep out people entering our country illegally.

Mexican Foreign Secretary Lois Derbez says that Mexico has asked the governments of Central American nations along with Columbia and the Dominican Republic, "To join in the fight and to denounce the measure passed by the U.S. House of Representatives to build a wall," on our side of the border with Mexico.

I find it to be the height of arrogance for the foreign ministry of any nation to criticize what we do to secure our own borders. Frankly, it's none of their business. If we want to build a fence, a wall or a moat for that matter on our side of the border, that's our business, we don't need Mexico's or any other nations permission, the United States, is a sovereign nation.

As an American citizen, let me say this as diplomatically as I possibly can.

Your Excellency, The Foreign Secretary of Mexico, Lois Derbez, "Go to hell."

Bob Haran, Phoenix, AZ www.Bob-Haran.info


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1 posted on 12/22/2005 12:24:29 PM PST by Bob Haran
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To: MoeDeRooster
"Mexico upset with border wall"

Well then, Mexico can just deal with border wall. What do we care?

3 posted on 12/22/2005 12:29:16 PM PST by cchandler
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To: Bob Haran
Mexico thinks it has a right to criticize the U.S. plan to build a 700 mile wall on our southern border to keep out people entering our country illegally.

Let them criticize ... while we continue to build the wall.

4 posted on 12/22/2005 12:29:17 PM PST by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: Bob Haran

Of course El Presidente Fox doesn't like it; he's scared crapless that if we succeed in keeping out a million or more aliens, they will start a much needed revolution in Mexico, and there will go his phoney-baloney job.


5 posted on 12/22/2005 12:30:31 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Bob Haran

Mexico is unhappy? Now you've gone and ruined my Christmas. (sarcasm off)


6 posted on 12/22/2005 12:31:25 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: Bob Haran

What is this "wall" going to look like?

Where will it be? The border is a slight bit longer than 700 miles.


7 posted on 12/22/2005 12:31:48 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Dems: "It can't be done" Reps. "Move, we'll find a way or make a way. It has to be done!")
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To: Bob Haran

We also need to use prison labor to build it and get that very tough Sheriff in Arizona (sorry I've fogotten his name) to be in charge of them.


8 posted on 12/22/2005 12:32:19 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: Bob Haran
It takes some kind of nerve for Fox and the Mexican Govt. to be upset about us trying to add security to our border.

But then it's pretty bad when your strategy of staying in power depends on your peoples ability to leave your country to make a living.

9 posted on 12/22/2005 12:32:37 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: Bob Haran

well maybe when he cuts off the oil the US gets from Mexico
the DEMOCRAPS will let us drill in Alaska!


10 posted on 12/22/2005 12:33:57 PM PST by jrd
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To: Tenacious 1

It's a start.

Some parts of the border are national/state parks that are so sparse that it would be very difficult to cross (days or weeks without food or water). In these areas, the border is actually the Rio Grande running fast and deep, so a vehicle couldn't cross, either. A fence probably isn't necessary in these locations.


11 posted on 12/22/2005 12:34:47 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Sister_T

Is it really a wall? I was thinking it was just a rickety fence.


12 posted on 12/22/2005 12:35:48 PM PST by MarkeyD (Cowards cut and run. Marines finish the job. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: libs_kma
Exactly. The ability of millions of Mexican nationals to sneak into the US to make money is the only thing that allows the status quo corruption of the Mexican narco state to continue.
13 posted on 12/22/2005 12:35:53 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: proudofthesouth
We also need to use prison labor to build it and get that very tough Sheriff in Arizona (sorry I've fogotten his name) to be in charge of them.

Joe Arpaio, sheriff of Maricopa County

14 posted on 12/22/2005 12:36:03 PM PST by kingattax
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To: Bob Haran

Man, if they're upset now, just wait until they try to climb over it..


15 posted on 12/22/2005 12:37:54 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: Bob Haran
But remember how much Mexico helped the USA in the last Century!

Mexicans raiding American border areas in early 1900's.
Aiding and abetting Germany during WWI, selling oil and giving free rein to German agents.
They did turn down the Zimmerman telegram because they did not have enough Mexicans in the border states.
During the depression they stole all of American property in Mexico.
During WWII they sold oil to the enemies of America and allowed their agents free rein.
16 posted on 12/22/2005 12:37:57 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: 45Auto

Of course El Presidente Fox doesn't like it; he's scared crapless that if we succeed in keeping out a million or more aliens, they will start a much needed revolution in Mexico, and there will go his phoney-baloney job.
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Well stated and right on. This corrupt guy and his filthy "government" are using the U.S. to protect their miserable hides which cannot provide ANYTHING for the Mexican people -- nor do they care to. So Fox wants all the illegal law-breaking criminals in his country to break our laws so they can funnel American dollars into Mexico.

Sad part is that Washington is cooperating heavily with this extortion scheme upon the U.S. citizen and taxpayer.


17 posted on 12/22/2005 12:38:36 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: All

So Fugg Mexico!!!! Fugg Fox too!!! Let him tell someone who cares, friggin ahole....


18 posted on 12/22/2005 12:40:18 PM PST by michaelbfree
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To: Bob Haran

If they're THIS upset you KNOW we're on the right track.

Can't believe our "leaders" ever thought to get more chummy with these corrupt, incompetent idiots.


19 posted on 12/22/2005 12:40:24 PM PST by dagogo redux (I never met a Dem yet who didn't understand a slap in the face, or a slug from a 45)
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To: Bob Haran

Just think how pissed Mexico would br if we fortified the wall with a few well placed gun turrets?? BTW....Just kidding, but the wall is one H--l of an idea. It would be refreshing to think of my tax dollars going to a worthwile cause.


20 posted on 12/22/2005 12:42:16 PM PST by amxfan2002 ("Over, Macho Grande??....I'll never be over Macho Grande!!")
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To: Tenacious 1

US-Mexico Border is about 2100 miles long. First funding installment is for fence complexes to block all the easy-to-cross stretches and give the illegals the choice to cross in more isolated and desolate spots or stay home. Hopefully, they would choose the latter.

Congress will get to the rest of the border as needed in later fiscal years.


21 posted on 12/22/2005 12:43:01 PM PST by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: Bob Haran

I'm sure if we lanscape it nicely they won't have any issues. </sarc>


22 posted on 12/22/2005 12:44:17 PM PST by Woodstock
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To: Bob Haran
That does it!
I'm rescinding my dual citizenship with Austria AND Mexico!
23 posted on 12/22/2005 12:44:33 PM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (sayyy....this Al Qaida thing looks serious....)
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To: MarkeyD

Don't really know what it is. I've heard it was a wall. I could be wrong.

Frankly, they should build a tall concrete wall with razor wire on the top and armed guard posts every quarter mile on top of this wall. It should be built on the border of EVERY state that borders Mexico. This wall should be wide enough to prevent folks from chipping away at it and go deep enough to discourage digging under it. Hey, if the Great Wall of China can be built, then this measly thing I'm suggesting shouldn't be a problem!

I know. I know. I'm dreaming BIG TIME!!!


24 posted on 12/22/2005 12:47:23 PM PST by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: Bob Haran

Boo Hoo.....Americans are upset with Mexicans.


25 posted on 12/22/2005 12:48:12 PM PST by Fawn
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To: Bob Haran

It would make me feel better if the wall was going to be equipped with guard towers and .50 caliber BMG's.


26 posted on 12/22/2005 12:48:37 PM PST by wjcsux
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To: Bob Haran
"Mexico Upset with Border Wall"

"I find it to be the height of arrogance for the foreign ministry of any nation to criticize what we do to secure our own borders. "

I will get flamed for this, but I agree with the Mexicans and Central Americans, but not because I am liberal or squishy about it.

These are not new problems. The illegal border issue has been going on for 30 years. 30 years. It is not the Mexicans, or the Central Americans, fault that they have become dependent financially on illegals. IT IS OUR OWN FAULT.

Don't get me wrong. We need to build the fence. But I believe they have a right to kvetch and react.

The analogy is a property easement. Most laws hold that even if the ingress was illegal, if the property owner let it happen, for whatever reason, then the owner has a legal duty to allow the person, or people, to continue unless compensation is made.

Again, I am not in favor of compensating the countries that send illegals. But we have been giving them these freebies, as a nation for three decades. We have been giving them free citizenship. We have been giving them taxpayer-funded educations, medical assistance, and welfare. I don't blame them for getting riled.

27 posted on 12/22/2005 12:48:37 PM PST by tom h
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To: Bob Haran

Just call me uncaring, but isn't it refreshing to see Mexico and it's citizens have to meet us half-way on the "UPSET METER", for once in a few decades?


28 posted on 12/22/2005 12:51:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: wjcsux; Sister_T

Finally, some others who think along the same lines as I do....Damn, this is such an incredible community.


29 posted on 12/22/2005 12:51:46 PM PST by amxfan2002 ("Over, Macho Grande??....I'll never be over Macho Grande!!")
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To: Bob Haran

If it upsets Mexico, it has to be good.

Build two walls.


30 posted on 12/22/2005 12:52:39 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Bob Haran

I'm "upset" with Mexico.

Can you believe the nerve!


31 posted on 12/22/2005 12:53:43 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (I might be wrong, but I'm always right.)
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To: proudofthesouth

You know, this might be the one project that we should hire the illegals to do work on...building the border fence!


32 posted on 12/22/2005 12:54:36 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (I might be wrong, but I'm always right.)
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To: Bob Haran

Let every one of those countries do without our foreign aid.


33 posted on 12/22/2005 12:55:31 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Bob Haran

If you want to send a comment to El Diario or El Noticiero, the E-mail address is editor@editorialmac.com. I'm sure these Mexican newspapers would like to hear from us Freepers. Freep em!


34 posted on 12/22/2005 12:56:44 PM PST by tom paine 2
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To: EagleUSA

Sure, the US taxpayer is subsidizing the status quo corruption in Mexican government.


35 posted on 12/22/2005 12:56:56 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Bob Haran
Mexico:
Hear us-
Believe it-
& get over it!


36 posted on 12/22/2005 12:57:53 PM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Bob Haran
Mexico is not half as upset with the border wall as I am with Mexico's efforts to help it's unwanted poor to illegally enter my country.

The US dollars that illegals send home every payday are one of Mexico's largest sources of income. IIRC only crude oil brings in more. Fox is just upset that Congress may finally accept it's responsibility and force the administration to accept it's responsibility by enforcing immigration law.

37 posted on 12/22/2005 12:58:25 PM PST by epow ("For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord")
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To: Bob Haran

How about a compromise. We will lay down a 1 mile wide strip of Cobalt-60 at the border except at legal points of entry.


38 posted on 12/22/2005 1:00:09 PM PST by CougarGA7 (If children are a gift from God, is adoption regifting?)
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To: Bob Haran

They do have a right to criticize...and we have as a Nation, the right to tell them to have a nice steaming cup of STFU.


39 posted on 12/22/2005 1:04:44 PM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
At least they backed us up in the UN when we went into Iraq.
40 posted on 12/22/2005 1:06:23 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Captain Rhino

Thank you for the explanation. I wasn't sure if it was approved for just a certain section. So there is the expectation that the wall will be completed eventually across the entire boarder?

What does the wall look like? Concrete? Fence? Fence/moat/razor wire/dogs/electricity combo/landmine?

Any idea?


41 posted on 12/22/2005 1:07:36 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Dems: "It can't be done" Reps. "Move, we'll find a way or make a way. It has to be done!")
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To: tom h
The analogy is a property easement. Most laws hold that even if the ingress was illegal, if the property owner let it happen, for whatever reason, then the owner has a legal duty to allow the person, or people, to continue unless compensation is made.

Again, I am not in favor of compensating the countries that send illegals. But we have been giving them these freebies, as a nation for three decades. We have been giving them free citizenship. We have been giving them taxpayer-funded educations, medical assistance, and welfare. I don't blame them for getting riled.

What you're saying in the last paragraph is in no way analogous to a property easement. It's one thing to say that if someone's been traversing my property for a certain length of time, he gets some kind of right-of-way. It's something completely different to say that if he's been stealing from my orchard for a certain length of time, he has the right to continue doing so.

42 posted on 12/22/2005 1:14:18 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
And they sent how many troops?
43 posted on 12/22/2005 1:19:17 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: Bob Haran

I recommend that Mexico boycott the US. They shouldn't send any illegals here until we tear down the entire wall.


44 posted on 12/22/2005 1:22:03 PM PST by azsportsterman
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To: Bob Haran

"Mexico thinks it has a right to criticize the U.S. plan to build a 700 mile wall on our southern border to keep out people entering our country illegally."

They've got a right to criticize it. They just don't have the ability to do a damn thing about it.


45 posted on 12/22/2005 1:33:02 PM PST by RonF
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To: Bob Haran

As I understand it, Mexico is none too keen about folks crossing their southern border. They do not care why you crossed, you are sent back, even if you are a political refugee.


46 posted on 12/22/2005 1:35:58 PM PST by barj
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To: Tenacious 1

I'd hold off on expectations for the entire border.

The expense of the fence isn't that great ($5-6 billion, IIRC) but there are a whole lot of politics involved in this and some of it involves factions inside the Republican party as well as between the Democrats and the Republicans. Next years' bi-election could have a major impact on further funding or even continuation of existing funding if it is a close election or if (dare I speak it) the House changes hands.

As for the design of the fence, the graphics I have seen start with two parallel anti-vehicle/personnel ditches on opposite sides of two very tall, razor wire-topped, chain link fences. There would be movement sensors buried between the two fences and raked dirt patrol roads. (Similar to the ones the Israeli's use.) But nothing like the 28-foot high solid concrete walls in use in certain parts of the Israeli border wall/fence system. Of course, an unobserved, unpatrolled barrier is no barrier at all, so a portion of the funding would go to substantially increasing the size and capabilities of the border patrol.


47 posted on 12/22/2005 1:38:31 PM PST by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: tom h
I agree with the Mexicans and Central Americans, but not because I am liberal or squishy about it.

...IT IS OUR OWN FAULT.

Don't get me wrong. We need to build the fence.


So, do you agree with the Mexicans or not?
48 posted on 12/22/2005 1:46:46 PM PST by andyk (Fear my strategery of misunderestimation.)
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To: inquest
I'm not a lawyer and I'm not going to quibble. But the Mexicans can see a fraud just like anyone else. Our businesses and governments, especially state and local, turn their back on the illegal nature of the act, and throw jobs, amnesty, voting rights, and benefits at these people. That's just like giving them free access and, quite frankly, it's not stealing.

I'm not siding with the illegals in any sense. But I'm telling us that we have looked in the mirror, and the enemy is US.

49 posted on 12/22/2005 2:00:39 PM PST by tom h
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To: andyk

No. But we need to look in the mirror and see that the enemy is US. If you stood outside your front door for thirty years, and fed stray cats, and never turned one away, after 30 years you would have a fetid house filled with thousands of strays, a house that ought to be bulldozed. But blame the cats? Nah. Blame yourself.


50 posted on 12/22/2005 2:02:26 PM PST by tom h
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