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Santorum now critical of Dover case
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 12/22/2005 | Carrie Budoff and Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 12/22/2005 1:41:44 PM PST by jennyp

[subhead: He denies he is contradicting earlier statements of support for the cause.]

Early this year, Sen. Rick Santorum commended the Dover Area School District for "attempting to teach the controversy of evolution."

But one day after a federal judge ruled that the district's policy on intelligent design was unconstitutional, Santorum said he was troubled by court testimony that showed some board members were motivated by religion in adopting the policy.

And, he said in an interview, he disagreed with the board for mandating the teaching of [ID], rather than just the controversy surrounding evolution.

Santorum - who sits on the advisory board of the Thomas More Law Center, which defended the school board in court - said the case offered "a bad set of facts" to test the concept that theories other than evolution should be taught in science classrooms.

"I thought the [TMLC] made a huge mistake in taking this case and in pushing this case to the extent they did," Santorum said.

He said he intends to withdraw his affiliation with the Michigan-based public-interest law firm that promotes Christian values.

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Santorum would not comment on the ruling itself, saying that he had yet to fully review it.

The case highlighted Santorum's high-profile role in the debate over teaching evolution. ... [H]is actions - most notably, an effort in 2001 to insert a "teach the controversy" amendment into a landmark education bill - figured prominently into the case.

It also has become a political issue for Santorum as he faces a tough reelection in 2006. His leading Democratic challenger, state Treasurer Robert P. Casey Jr., has seized upon the senator's seemingly contradictory statements on intelligent design to portray him as a "flip flopper" who puts an ideological agenda above other interests.

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(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevo; crevolist; dover; evolution; pennsylvania; santorum
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Between the conservative voters of Dover kicking the creationist board members out, and now Santorum desperately waffling like this, it really looks like creationism in the public schools is a loser, at least in Pennsylvania.
1 posted on 12/22/2005 1:41:45 PM PST by jennyp
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To: jennyp

"But one day after a federal judge ruled that the district's policy on intelligent design was unconstitutional, Santorum said he was troubled by court testimony that showed some board members were motivated by religion in adopting the policy."

Is there any other motvation?


2 posted on 12/22/2005 1:43:48 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: jennyp
Santorum has become a very adroit politician, in that he has now found there are more than two sides to any question.

Santorum decides which way the wind is blowing on any particular day to decide what side to take. No more votes for this waffler.

3 posted on 12/22/2005 1:44:58 PM PST by cynicom
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To: PatrickHenry

This one might be ping-worthy. WWtGMD?


4 posted on 12/22/2005 1:45:07 PM PST by jennyp (PILTDOWN MAN IS REAL! The evolutionist's story that Piltdown was a hoax is the REAL hoax!)
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To: gondramB

Truth


5 posted on 12/22/2005 1:48:01 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: jennyp

Wait! Let me see....

Hmm, a politician changed his mind based on public opinion.

Nope, nothing to see here!


6 posted on 12/22/2005 1:49:08 PM PST by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: gondramB; jennyp; Tribune7

Is there any other motvation?

Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong (Miller Urey, the Finches).  Oh, and probably the total lack of any evidence of one species turning into another.  But that's it.

Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life, and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor.  It's rock solid science and questioning it is like questioning heliocentrism.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

7 posted on 12/22/2005 1:51:06 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: mlc9852

"Truth"

I have yet to see a non born again Christian advocate forcing the teaching of Intelligent design in science class. There may be a few but this is almost entirely about whether or not to use this method to get religion back into public schools.

Even though I believe in Intelligent design I don't like this method because it doesn't feel honest. And it certainly doesn't feel like a search for truth so much as it feels anti-science anti-intelectual.


8 posted on 12/22/2005 1:51:34 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: jennyp
it really looks like creationism in the public schools is a loser

Looks like it's a loser? It is a loser, plain and simple.

There's a reason that the Discovery Institute didn't want to be a part of this case. It was doomed from the start. Now even the politicians are running away from it.

9 posted on 12/22/2005 1:53:09 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: gondramB
So religion is automatically anti-intellectual? Only Darwin's truth is allowed in schools? And how excited do you really think 9th graders are over evolution anyway? It's about much more than 9th grade biology, isn't it?
10 posted on 12/22/2005 1:53:28 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Owl_Eagle

"Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism"

There are thousands of scientific theories..how man y of these people are also trying to force schools to teach other scientific issues one way or another? Their interest in this issue is that they think it contradicts their religion.

Evolution and Christianity are not in conflict...which makes this particularly sad.


11 posted on 12/22/2005 1:53:49 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: jennyp

--But one day after a federal judge ruled that the district's policy on intelligent design was unconstitutional, Santorum said he was troubled by court testimony that showed some board members were motivated by religion in adopting the policy.

I take it the PI does not endorse Santorum.


12 posted on 12/22/2005 1:54:35 PM PST by bkepley
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To: mlc9852

Truth is not a question for science. It is for philosophy.

Science is limited to the search for natural causes to explain natural phenomena. It rejects the appeal to authority, and by extension, revelation, in favor of empirical evidence. In deliberately omitting theological or “ultimate” explanations for the existence or characteristics of the natural world, science does not consider issues of “meaning” and “purpose” in the world.

While supernatural explanations may be important and have merit, they are not part of science. This self-imposed convention of science, which limits inquiry to testable, natural explanations about the natural world, is referred to by philosophers as “methodological naturalism” and is sometimes known as the scientific method. Methodological naturalism is a “ground rule” of science today which requires scientists to seek explanations in the world around us based upon what we can observe, test, replicate, and verify.


13 posted on 12/22/2005 1:54:50 PM PST by NC28203
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To: mlc9852

"So religion is automatically anti-intellectual? Only Darwin's truth is allowed in schools?"

you know the answer to that..no and no. But forcing schools to teach science that scientists don't believe in is anti-intelectual.

As for Darwin - he was 100 years ago and most of his work has been superceded.


14 posted on 12/22/2005 1:55:32 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: mlc9852
So religion is automatically anti-intellectual?

No, only some of the more bone-headed practitioners and failed concepts.

Only Darwin's truth is allowed in schools?

I have no trouble presenting ideas like ID where they belong: in theology or philosophy classes.

15 posted on 12/22/2005 1:55:59 PM PST by blowfish
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To: gondramB

Evolution and Christianity are not in conflict

Neither is evolution (in that organisms change and adapt over time) and ID.  But watch how often the opponents of ID (Darwinists) refer to ID as "creationism" (literal belief in The Book of Genesis) in order to cloud the waters so that they may continue to preach this distortion of science.  Darwinism is the icon of materialism.

 

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

16 posted on 12/22/2005 1:57:29 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: NC28203

Why do you assume God and/or supernatural is not testable? And every scientific inquiry must start with ideas. What is your definition of "nature"?


17 posted on 12/22/2005 1:57:56 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: blowfish

I don't think it matters much what subject we call it, so long as it is allowed to be taught. Students can decide for themselves if it's science or not.


18 posted on 12/22/2005 1:59:11 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Owl_Eagle
Neither is evolution (in that organisms change and adapt over time) and ID. But watch how often the opponents of ID (Darwinists) refer to ID as "creationism" (literal belief in The Book of Genesis) in order to cloud the waters so that they may continue to preach this distortion of science.

"IDer" is to "creationist" as "liberal democrat" is to "socialist".

19 posted on 12/22/2005 2:00:24 PM PST by jennyp (PILTDOWN MAN IS REAL! The evolutionist's story that Piltdown was a hoax is the REAL hoax!)
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To: jennyp

Frankly, I am fed up with the creationists trying to push their curriculum on the public schools. It didn't have to happen, they could have handled the situation without putting it into the courts. We lost a lot more than the right to include intelligent design in the curriculum. We set a precident of court interference in local school curriculum. This is not good.

I remember my very fundamentalist Sunday school teacher explaining that evolution could not have happened without God's hand in it. If we could handle it that way, there is no reason, that parents can't do the same today.


20 posted on 12/22/2005 2:00:31 PM PST by Eva
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