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Victoria Osteen and FBI have different views on what occurred aboard airliner
Houston Chronicle ^ | 12-22-05 | ANNE MARIE KILDAY

Posted on 12/23/2005 4:39:24 AM PST by truthandlife

Victoria Osteen, the wife of Lakewood Church pastor Joel Osteen, said an incident that delayed a Continental Airlines flight for two hours earlier this week was "a minor misunderstanding."

Osteen posted a "Letter from Victoria" on the church's official Web site Wednesday, saying the Monday incident resulted from her choice "to remove myself from the situation."

Osteen left the plane, Continental Flight 1602, with her husband and their two children. The family took another flight to Vail, Colo., where they are taking a ski vacation.

A church spokesman said the family left the plane voluntarily.

However, FBI Special Agent Luz Garcia has said that the Osteens were asked to leave the jetliner after "an altercation."

Garcia also said that Victoria Osteen "failed to comply" with instructions from a flight attendant.

The FBI said the airline contacted the agency about the incident. The agency decided not to investigate.

Continental Airlines spokeswoman Julie King declined any further comment about the incident Thursday.

"There have been various accounts of an incident that occurred on one of our flights, and I have issued earlier statements about that," King said. "We can confirm that there are no remaining issues between Continental and those passengers. ... Both parties feel no further comment is necessary."

King declined to comment on Victoria Osteen's explanation of the incident.

In her letter, which can be read at at www.lakewood.cc, Osteen stated:

"Regardless of how some have portrayed the situation, please know that it was truly a minor misunderstanding and did not escalate into what you saw or read in the news. Contrary to those reports, it was my choice to remove myself from the situation. Nonetheless, it was a most unfortunate event and I truly regret that it happened."

Osteen's letter continued, "The last thing I would ever want to do is let any of you down. And I promise you that I did not act in any way that would cast a bad light on you, my family, Lakewood Church or our Lord Jesus Christ. I value the position that God has placed me in and I can assure you that I will always walk in love and integrity. While I am not perfect, I will always seek to be a peacemaker and seek the high road."

The incident apparently stemmed from a spilled liquid on Osteen's seat in the first class section of the airplane. A church spokesman said the spill was not cleaned up to Osteen's satisfaction, and the family left the plane voluntarily.

Joel Osteen is a nationally known author of self-help books, including the best-selling Your Best Life Now. He became pastor of Lakewood Church in 1999. The church, in the former Compaq Center, is one of the nation's largest with more than 30,000 weekly participants in church services.


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"Letter from Victoria" http://www.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=letter_from_victoria

Wednesday, December 21, 2005

I know that many of you have seen the recent news report on our trip to Colorado. Let me begin by saying that I have received so many of your emails and notes encouraging me and expressing your love and support. Each one of you means so much to me and I love you all dearly.

Regardless of how some have portrayed the situation, please know that it was truly a minor misunderstanding and did not escalate into what you saw or read in the news. Contrary to those reports it was my choice to remove myself from the situation. Nonetheless, it was a most unfortunate event and I truly regret that it happened.

The last thing I would ever want to do is let any of you down. And I promise you that I did not act in any way that would cast a bad light on you, my family, Lakewood Church or our Lord Jesus Christ. I value the position that God has placed me in and I can assure you that I will always walk in love and integrity. While I am not perfect, I will always seek to be a peacemaker and seek the high road.

As many of you have told me, I know that God has me in the palm of His hand. My confidence in God is stronger than ever—and I know that He is faithful to His promises.

Thank you for standing with me and, in spite of what you’ve heard, thank you for believing the best in me. I know that God causes all things to work together for our good— and I truly believe that when faced with adversities we all emerge better and stronger than when we were before.

During this season, as we celebrate the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ, Joel and I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas. May peace and happiness embrace all of us and may 2006 be your best year ever.

Victoria

1 posted on 12/23/2005 4:39:27 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
..did not escalate into what you saw or read in the news.

heh..with today's reporting standards, that statement is a given.

2 posted on 12/23/2005 4:56:03 AM PST by evad
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To: truthandlife

I have no idea what happened, I just know I picked the wrong career.I sure cant afford a 1st class ticket to Vail much less the costs once I get there. Preaching makes millionaires of some folks.


3 posted on 12/23/2005 4:59:06 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

Oh, I have a feeling they'll be a high price to pay in the end.


4 posted on 12/23/2005 5:02:59 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: truthandlife

Thank you for posting Mrs. Osteen's explanation.


5 posted on 12/23/2005 5:11:33 AM PST by IronManBike
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To: truthandlife

At least she didn't tell them she had a bomb.


6 posted on 12/23/2005 5:11:58 AM PST by shekkian
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To: sgtbono2002

Gimme a break! I can't believe you said that!

My wife and I were discussing the situation the other day when it first happened, and she said the media is on the attack as usual and that's the best they can do. If he was like most successful businessmen of any other profession he would be in a private jet. The media can't stand to see Christians being successful in any way.

And then you make a prejudiced statement about him flying first class! Whine! whine! whine! Sound like a stupid dimocrat.


7 posted on 12/23/2005 5:14:32 AM PST by Dscott_FR (Right Wing Extremist and proud of it!!)
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To: evad

As loose as the Osteens are with the truth when he/she are preaching (check out http://letusreason.org/Popteac29.htm), one has to wonder about anything she/he says.


8 posted on 12/23/2005 5:18:20 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
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To: truthandlife

I guess Joel needs to write his next book on anger management and give Vicki the first copy. You'd think these multi-millionaires could fly to Aspen in a private jet so they wouldn't have to inconvenience the "little people."


10 posted on 12/23/2005 5:19:21 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: evad

Corrected link!

As loose as the Osteens are with the truth when he/she are preaching (check out http://letusreason.org/Popteac29.htm ), one has to wonder about anything she/he says.


11 posted on 12/23/2005 5:19:22 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
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To: sgtbono2002

I agree, these people think they are priviledged and can get away with anything. She should have been arrested!

DONATIONS pay for their obscene lifestyle. One that is TAX EXEMPT to top it all.


12 posted on 12/23/2005 5:25:57 AM PST by stopem (Keep the spirit of Christmas in your heart all year long! Merry Christmas to all !!!)
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To: Dscott_FR
And then you make a prejudiced statement about him flying first class! Whine! whine! whine! Sound like a stupid dimocrat.

I approve of the free market, and if it makes you rich, then good for you. But if you make merchandise of the word of God, you'll answer to him.

13 posted on 12/23/2005 5:35:15 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Dscott_FR

I suppose you believe that if Jesus Christ came back today he would fly 1st. class and have a huge television ministry.
He would probably start his own college and an amusement park and fly out to Vail and give loaves and fishes to the skiers.
I dont expect a preacher to live in poverty, I like to think they deserve a comfortable life,still I dont expect them to live like millionaires off donations from the "little people" either.


14 posted on 12/23/2005 5:36:25 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Wolfie

I think if I belonged to his church I would send my Christmas donation to the Salvation Army.


15 posted on 12/23/2005 5:38:46 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Cafeteria Christianity where everything is sugar-coated.

Would love to see him and Pope Benedict XVI debate.
16 posted on 12/23/2005 5:39:09 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (In Memory of Crockett Nicolas, hit and run in the prime of his Cocker Spaniel life, 9/3/05.)
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To: stopem

If there was more to this the media would be slandering this preacher all over the place. For some reason Continental and the FBI aren't saying much. That says a lot.


17 posted on 12/23/2005 5:43:23 AM PST by CindyDawg (Merry Christmas to all and to all a good morning)
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To: sgtbono2002

I can't even afford to fly to Vail so you are richer than I am.


18 posted on 12/23/2005 5:44:12 AM PST by sport
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To: Dscott_FR
And then you make a prejudiced statement about him flying first class!

What's prejudiced about pointing out that a minister of the Gospel seems to be raking in enough dough that he can pay double ($1478/RT for First Class versus $743/coach from Houston to Vail) for a 2-and-a-half hour flight? Maybe he can justify the cost by mentioning Jesus to one person on his trip, thereby qualifying it as "business" and allowing him to write the whole thing off.

Excuse my cynicism, but Virgina Osteen's letter just makes things worse. When I'm in a hole, at least I know to stop digging.

19 posted on 12/23/2005 5:45:23 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Sometime ago, the salary of the CEO of the Salvation Army was posted on one of these FR threads. I can't remember it exactly but it was well under $20,000 plus a house to live in.

I don't begrudge any preacher a good living but I agree that anyone who uses God's money for a lavish lifestyle is doing wrong.

I don't know if this preacher is living a lavish lifestyle or not but flying first class may be a tip off.

20 posted on 12/23/2005 5:45:24 AM PST by yarddog
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To: stopem
DONATIONS pay for their obscene lifestyle. One that is TAX EXEMPT to top it all.

And how do you know that??? Joel has written numerous books including a current best seller. He may only draw little or salary from donations. He is a millionare from his books.

21 posted on 12/23/2005 5:46:01 AM PST by Always Right
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To: yarddog
I don't begrudge any preacher a good living but I agree that anyone who uses God's money for a lavish lifestyle is doing wrong.

If he was doing it off of tithe money, I would agree. If he is doing it off his book sales, that is another issue, IMHO.

22 posted on 12/23/2005 5:47:25 AM PST by Always Right
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To: sinkspur

Well, if I had shucked out that kind of money I'd certainly demand a dry seat too!

btw, I lived in TX for 11 years and never even heard of these people!


23 posted on 12/23/2005 5:49:48 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: sgtbono2002

What career did you chose?


24 posted on 12/23/2005 5:50:19 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: bonfire
No your supposed to sit in a wet seat because the flight attendant told you too!
26 posted on 12/23/2005 5:51:27 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: sausageseller

I sat in a broken seat from Dallas to Hawaii. WHen we landed they gave me a bottle of champagne!


27 posted on 12/23/2005 5:53:03 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: kittymyrib

All things being equal, I would not like to sit in a wet seat if I were traveling coach, much less first class. I also don't remember the Reverend taking a poverty oath. What he does with his money is his business, even if his business is salvation.

For what it's worth, I don't belong to his chuch, I am Roman Catholic. And I can't believe the PC communistic crap about somebody else's money from supposedly Conservative fellow Freepers.


28 posted on 12/23/2005 5:53:04 AM PST by rock58seg (It's time for Islam to actually become a religion of peace or a religion of the past.)
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To: truthandlife

I can't conceive of any circumstances under which I would get off a given flight and endure the hassle of taking another, later, flight just because a "liquid" was spilled on my {first class} seat.


29 posted on 12/23/2005 5:53:22 AM PST by Cedric
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To: stopem

As has been reported many times, Joel Osteen receives no salary from his church. His income does not come from his church.


30 posted on 12/23/2005 5:53:47 AM PST by Austin1
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To: truthandlife

I don't know what really happened but I see some clowns here bitching that the Osteens were flying first class and living on donations. That is a job. Many more hours than I want to work each week. Also remember the news **always** gives the Christian the worst possible view and also remember most of the time most of the airlines treat everybody like cattle in cattle drive. Once on a flight from London we were not allowed to get up to go to the restroom. After 4 hours, yeah four hours, I got up and went with 2 of the flight nazis right in my ear telling me to sit down, sit down!!! I was gonna pee somewhere and figured the toilet was as good as any place. When I came out there were 20+ people lined up down the isle. The flight nazis never served another thing for what was left during the rest of the 9 hour flight. If I'm on the jury here I give the Osteens the benefit of the doubt.


31 posted on 12/23/2005 5:53:51 AM PST by right right
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To: truthandlife
99% of the time the Guilty Dog barks "first"!
32 posted on 12/23/2005 5:55:02 AM PST by Tannerone
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To: CindyDawg
If there was more to this the media would be slandering this preacher all over the place. For some reason Continental and the FBI aren't saying much. That says a lot.

It says that Continental and the FBI are discreet.

They don't have to say much. The average flier has NEVER been on a flight from which a passenger has been ejected. Osteen made an ass of herself and the captain of a 757 made a decision that he didn't want her on a 2 hour flight.

She should be apologizing, apologizing, apologizing. Nothing else.

And please. No letters of justification. They don't help.

33 posted on 12/23/2005 5:55:12 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: Mainiac1
Anybody remember what happened to the moneychangers at the Temple? How about some more respect for how one spends the Widow's Mite?

Are you referring to thr Lord's Word, as you term it here in post #25, "written transcription of the oral traditions, prejudices and garbled fables of semiliterate Bronze Age goatherds"?

34 posted on 12/23/2005 5:56:32 AM PST by DBeers ()
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To: truthandlife

35 posted on 12/23/2005 6:00:03 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: Always Right

I read that he stopped taking a salary from the church. The sale of his books is what he lives on.


36 posted on 12/23/2005 6:00:10 AM PST by BlueAngel
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To: sgtbono2002
Preaching makes millionaires of some folks.

They are professional entertainers, and as such are entitled to make money in accordance with the degree to which they are skilled at telling the public what the public wants to hear. ;)

37 posted on 12/23/2005 6:00:13 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When government does too much, nobody else does much of anything." -- Mark Steyn)
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To: Mainiac1
The book sales would be moneychanging at the temple.

It seems like Jesus was making the point about people ripping others off by overcharging for changing their currency into the proper type or charing high dollar for animals suitable for sacrafices. I am not sure how that applies to books Joel sells in bookstores.

38 posted on 12/23/2005 6:01:35 AM PST by Always Right
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To: truthandlife

That letter says it all. ...and nothing at all. She acted up.


39 posted on 12/23/2005 6:04:27 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: right right

>>>"I give the Osteens the benefit of the doubt">>>

Good for you, so do I. I'll even give the stewardess the benefit of the doubt. I'll say one woman had a migraine headache and the other one PMS, and we will have to guess which had which. The news media that blew this non story up and people with opinions, who weren't even there, have my undying contempt.


40 posted on 12/23/2005 6:04:53 AM PST by Ditter
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To: truthandlife

She sounds like a nitwit.


41 posted on 12/23/2005 6:07:40 AM PST by Casloy
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To: sgtbono2002

Having a best selling book likely provides much of his wealth.


42 posted on 12/23/2005 6:11:11 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: truthandlife

God created people like the Osteens for his own comedic enjoyment.


43 posted on 12/23/2005 6:13:40 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: HighlyOpinionated

ping!


44 posted on 12/23/2005 6:16:57 AM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Dscott_FR; sgtbono2002

"Gimme a break! I can't believe you said that!"

Give me a break....this woman delayed a plane for 2 hours!! Any moron who doesn't care for other people's time needs to be kicked out. The fact that she is the pampered and spoilt wife of a prominent preacher does not make her infalliable. Do you think ALL preachers and televangelists are incapable of stupid actions?

Let me repeat the same insult you threw at "sgtbono2002." Stop acting like a stupid Dimocrat.

On a more charitable note, Merry Christmas.


45 posted on 12/23/2005 6:17:07 AM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to join the MilHist ping list)
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To: Ditter
The news media that blew this non story up and people with opinions, who weren't even there, have my undying contempt.

In this post-9/11 world, you raise hell on an airplane full of people, you're just liable to make the news. And if your husband appears on Larry King every quarter to advertise a new book, your profile will be even higher.

It appears that Virginia Osteen had a vapor-lock-of-the-brain moment, temporarily forgetting who she was married to. It happens.

46 posted on 12/23/2005 6:21:53 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: Dscott_FR
"The media can't stand to see Christians being successful in any way."

Or--other "Christians."

The media and these "Christians" makes some wonder if they are not in collusion? Nonetheless, those church-goers can sure come up with scripture in a blink of and eye.

47 posted on 12/23/2005 6:25:33 AM PST by IronManBike
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To: truthandlife

Actually, the truth is they were on their way to the Miniature Spoon Museum in Branson, Missouri; but good ol' Joel (with magical powers we cannot fathom) just WILLED them to go to Aspen!

Why does he fly first class? I thought he could just think positively and get a 1st class upgrade? Works every time?


48 posted on 12/23/2005 6:29:23 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: sinkspur
It appears that Virginia Osteen had a vapor-lock-of-the-brain moment, temporarily forgetting who she was married to.

I don't think she forgot for one second who she was married to. And I imagine she made sure the flight crew knew it, too.
49 posted on 12/23/2005 6:31:09 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: drjimmy
Do you know who I am?!?

50 posted on 12/23/2005 6:32:09 AM PST by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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