Bill Would Allow Arrests For No Reason In Public Place

Newsnet5.com (Cleveland, OH) ^ | December 19, 2005

[Vigilant1]

This is a 'people license', like a dog license. If the dogcatcher finds a dog loose in public without a license, he catches it and takes it straight to the pound. Now, you will have to have your 'people license', or the first LEO that stops you will take *you* to the 'pound'.

If someone cannot see how fundamentally offensive it is to have to go to a government bureaucrat, beg their permission and pay them a fee for a government license to merely exist in public, then there is no point trying to explain it to them. Any sane, cognizant person can see what a grotesque abomination this is.

[tryon1ja]

Everybody has a social security number or needs one to be claimed on federal income tax and other items of interest.

[Buddy B]

"Sec. 2921.29. (A) No person who is in a public place ....."

Seems we all need to know the definition of what a "public place" is in Ohio, by Ohio law.

[festus]

If you can give to an enemy...you can give it to a local law enforcment officer...

Somehow I always wanted to live in a world where officers and the enemy were not equated in any way.

[Buddy B]

I like what is stated on your FR profile page.

All need to read Vigilant1's FR profile page.

[sourcery]

Seems we all need to know the definition of what a "public place" is in Ohio, by Ohio law.

Actually, you'd need to know how the judge that will hear the case will define it--and perhaps also the appellate judges.

[festus]

So what ever happened to the 5th amendment and the right to be silent.

Ah well who needs the constitution.

Those who sacrifice liberty for safety will have neither.

[mugs99]

Civilians do not have serial numbers

Your Social Security number is your serial number.
.

[Crim]

Uh geez....I have more than three types of ID on me at all times...

My drivers license

My CCW license

and several journeyman electrician licenses for multiple jurisdictions...

WTF is the problem with producing one?

In fact..I'm often asked for ID ....like everytime I buy a frickin beer...

No one is damanding "my papers"

if you drive...it's the law that you have a drivers license and produce one when asked....most states allow 24hrs to show proof if you left your wallet at home....but it IS the frickin law...

[Buddy B]

"Your Social Security number is your serial number."

Your call, now, place the proof on Free Republic that "Your Social Security number is your serial number."

I will be watching and waiting for your post.

First, remember, civilians do not have a serial number.

[Crim]

You have the right to liberty...

You also have the responsility to identify yourself to a law enforcment officer going about his LEGAL duties...

A private citizen can get more info on you than the Govt...a corporation...even more...

This aint the 60's ...what are you...a peacenik?

How does a law enforement officer determine if someone is frickin illegal alien if he cant ask for ID?

Grow up.

get some ID

Produce it when asked.

[Buddy B]

Which of those you say are types of ID, have "Identification Card" printed on them?

Any: YES / NO

[Crim]

SS number....think again.

It's on every single piece of official paper work you have...and many non official ones...

My point was...if it's good enough for an enemy...it's good enough for an ally...

[Crim]

What I meant was..if it's good enough for an enemy..it's good enough for an ally...

Grow up.

[Crim]

My ass has it printed on it...

so what...

You guys sound like the liberals balking at showing ID to frickin vote..

Bite me.

[isom35]

if we all ever get assigned numbers, can I be Number 6?

[Crim]

hell buddy...you can be #69 if you want..

LOL

[sourcery]

How does a law enforement officer determine if someone is frickin illegal alien if he cant ask for ID?

He establishes probable cause to search, or else he abstains.

Need does not justify coercion. Those who think so are common criminals, who think the fact they need the money in your wallet makes it OK to point a gun at you and demand you hand it over. Judges are supposed to tell such geniuses that the idea that their need for money justifies robbery is an evil rationalization.

Judges are also supposed to tell overzealous cops and legislators that their need to search in the absence of probable cause does not justify violation of the Constitutional prohibition against unreasonable searches--and that rationalizations to the contrary are evil.

[Buddy B]

To both:   Enjoyed the evening, Cheers, Buddy B

[Crim]

So asking your name address and age is now a search?

????

You an ACLU wannabe?