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Police tell Christian couple view on gays 'close to hate crime' (UK)
Times (UK) ^ | 12/22/05 | David Sanderson

Posted on 12/24/2005 5:22:12 AM PST by jalisco555

POLICE questioned a retired couple for 80 minutes about their “homophobic” views after they asked their local council if they could display their Christian literature next to gay rights leaflets, it was reported last night.

Joe and Helen Roberts said that police officers warned them that their actions “were close to a hate crime” after they complained to Wyre Borough Council about its gay rights policies.

The couple claimed that the police told them they were “walking on eggshells”.

Mr Roberts, from Fleetwood, Lancashire, said he had been offended because of the council’s distribution of the gay rights leaflets and its promotion of its theatre as a venue for civil partnership ceremonies.

He said he complained to Paul Deacon, the council officer responsible for Wyre’s part in the Navajo Charter Mark campaign being run by several local authorities to offer assistance to gay and lesbian people.

Mr Roberts, 73, told the Daily Mail: “I told him I was offended. I asked him if I could put Christian literature on display alongside the gay material. He said I couldn’t because it would offend gay people.

“I said we had no objection to gay people, but we thought that homosexual practice was wrong and we were offended by the gay culture which the council is promoting.

“They warned me that being discriminatory and homophobic is in line with hate crime. The phrase they used was that we were ‘walking on eggshells’. I asked the officer, if I phoned the police with a complaint that the council were discriminating against Christians would he go to interview them?”

Lancashire police said its visit to the Robertses’ family home was a matter of routine after a complaint from the council. A spokesman added: “Words of suitable advice were given and we will not be taking any further action.”

Joan Humble, the Labour MP for Blackpool North and Fleetwood, said the council’s decision to call the police was heavy handed.

She added: “Navajo is a very good project to offer support to gay people. But they should have replied to Mr and Mrs Roberts to explain their policy and allay their fears about the nature of the literature.”

A council spokesman said the couple had “displayed potentially homophobic attitudes”.

He added: “The council referred this matter to the police for further investigation with the intention of challenging attitudes and educating and raising awareness of the implications of homophobic behaviour.”

This month a Metropolitan Police officer telephoned the author Lynette Burrows at her home in Cambridge after she took part in a BBC Radio 5 Live programme. He told her that her broadcast view that gay couples were not good adoptive parents for boys had been reported and recorded as a homophobic incident.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1984; deviance; englandsucks; freespeech; hatecrime; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; leftistagenda; orwell; policestate; thoughtcrime; thoughtcriminals; thoughtpolice
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Thought crimes must be punished!
1 posted on 12/24/2005 5:22:15 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555

This is a disturbing trend. The next step is to make preaching against homosexuality in a religious context a crime, as it appears to be in other European countries.


2 posted on 12/24/2005 5:26:12 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: jalisco555

don't you know? They're so special, I mean soooo special! isn't it neat? Wonderful too that cops and gays in the UK reckon as being two special peas in a pod too. Ain't life so peachy, special people with genocidal thoughts against Christians and people asking them to reconsider and grow up.

(heavy sarcasm off)


3 posted on 12/24/2005 5:26:21 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

not to mention the pedophiles crucifying kids and mentaly weak people who know better in their hearts that it is wrong but cannot express it or fear.

This is perverse and vicious cruelty... made-in-liberal-psychologia and media


4 posted on 12/24/2005 5:28:38 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jalisco555

You keep speaking up,Mr and Mrs Roberts.Dare the police to prosecute you and if they do,take every advantage you might get to talk to the local,national and international press!


5 posted on 12/24/2005 5:28:45 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: jalisco555

"POLICE questioned a retired couple for 80 minutes about their “homophobic” views after they asked their local council if they could display their Christian literature next to gay rights leaflets, it was reported last night."

Good God is England that screwed up now? Gay literature is good and Christian literature is bad?

More and more I'm so thankful I don't live in Europe.


6 posted on 12/24/2005 5:29:31 AM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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To: JudgemAll

Well, it's nice to know there is no violent crime in the UK. I mean, if the police have enough time to investigate these thought criminals it must be because more serious problems have been solved, no?


7 posted on 12/24/2005 5:30:02 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The right to bear weapons is the right to be free." A. E. Van Vogt)
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To: jalisco555
Navajo is a very good project to offer support to gay people.

I had no idea that the tribe was so gay friendly. Or that they had roots in England.
8 posted on 12/24/2005 5:31:52 AM PST by Anvilhead
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To: jalisco555

first they came for our guns

then our thoughts

and, yes, then they brought in islamofascists and gangs to do the job almost multiculturaly naturaly PC... neato situation we have in England indeed...not


9 posted on 12/24/2005 5:32:37 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Anvilhead
I had no idea that the tribe was so gay friendly. Or that they had roots in England.

LOL. Yeah, I wondered about that too.

10 posted on 12/24/2005 5:33:48 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The right to bear weapons is the right to be free." A. E. Van Vogt)
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To: NapkinUser

Four feet good, two feet better.


11 posted on 12/24/2005 5:36:10 AM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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To: Anvilhead

...equating gays with "genocided indians" now? Making reservations for them, "endangered"?

Weird, what can one think they could think of.... sorry, that's forbidden and called phobia or paranoia now.

Interesting how things are getting institutionalized around strange names indeed. It's like, what individual or states' rights? Now it's group rights.


12 posted on 12/24/2005 5:37:11 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jalisco555

They are just expressing thier cultural beleifs arent they?


13 posted on 12/24/2005 5:37:24 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways "Guero")
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To: jalisco555

But,but,but the queers only represent 2% of the population.

Horse Hockey. No way 2% can cause all this BS.


14 posted on 12/24/2005 5:37:39 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: jalisco555

As long as they didn't say "Merry Christmas" or anything, I guess it's just a misdemeanor.


15 posted on 12/24/2005 5:40:01 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: jalisco555
As I wrote yesterday if you are Christian be very careful as laws are being passed throughout the world to put us in irons and to again open the camps. It is just a matter of time if we continue to get Supreme Court justices like we have, who consider international law instead of the US Constitution, we also will be under the boot.
16 posted on 12/24/2005 5:43:21 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: jalisco555

This will happen in the USA soon.
Be ready to send letters and make phone calls.


17 posted on 12/24/2005 5:44:22 AM PST by BooksForTheRight.com (what have you done today to fight terrorism/leftism (same thing!))
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To: BooksForTheRight.com
This will happen in the USA soon.

I fear you are right.

18 posted on 12/24/2005 5:46:07 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The right to bear weapons is the right to be free." A. E. Van Vogt)
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To: jalisco555

"Thought crimes must be punished!"

Exactly! This is just like the old Soviet Union. Britian's not getting there, they're already there and we're not far behind. It's not just a Christian problem it's the idea that the state can criminalize thought of any kind. It's not only the hyper-sensitive that have brought us to this point it's their government enablers and I include lawyers in that subset as they are "officers of the court".


19 posted on 12/24/2005 5:48:42 AM PST by dljordan
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yes. The time is fast approaching when Christians will be legally punished for practicing their views.


20 posted on 12/24/2005 5:49:09 AM PST by kjo
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To: jalisco555
Thought crimes must be punished!

Unless it's against a Christian, then it's OK.

21 posted on 12/24/2005 5:50:52 AM PST by uncommonsense
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To: kjo
Yes. The time is fast approaching when Christians will be legally punished for practicing their views.

We now have an incomplete yet better understanding of our Jewish friends.....

22 posted on 12/24/2005 5:51:36 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: NapkinUser

U.S is not too much better.


23 posted on 12/24/2005 5:54:51 AM PST by ConservativeChinese (Seperation between the Mosque and State! Public institutions should not favor Islam!)
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To: jalisco555
Disgraceful! The Poms are in a bigger mess than I thought.

I wonder if it's a crime to wish someone a "Merry Christmas"?
24 posted on 12/24/2005 5:57:52 AM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: ConservativeChinese

"U.S is not too much better."

On some issues, yes. On this, no. There wouldn't be a seconds thought from the vast majority of people. Certainly no police showing up and telling people what they can think.


25 posted on 12/24/2005 6:01:36 AM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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To: jalisco555

Police tell Christian couple view on gays 'close to hate crime' (UK)"

Close doesn't count except in Horseshoes and Bocce Ball.


26 posted on 12/24/2005 6:08:06 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion never saved a soul - that's Jesus' job.)
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To: jalisco555
Homophobic??

Who's afraid of the big bad gay
Big bad gay, big bad gay?
Who's afraid of the big bad gay?
Tra la la la la

I'm not afraid of the big bad gay
The big bad gay
The big bad gay
I'm not afraid of the big bad gay
Tra-la-la-la-la-la

27 posted on 12/24/2005 6:13:03 AM PST by kanawa
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To: jalisco555; All
Shades of 1984 in Britian
28 posted on 12/24/2005 6:16:12 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: jalisco555

WOW!!! Can you spell 1-9-8-4?


29 posted on 12/24/2005 6:16:47 AM PST by upchuck (Article posts of just one or two sentences do not preserve the quality of FR. Lazy FReepers be gone!)
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To: NapkinUser
"Certainly no police showing up and telling people what they can think."

Stop the incrementalism against the 2nd amendment, and all the others will be fade into obscurity.

Governments and police like in England feel emboldened when the subjects give up their sovereignty (i.e. the 2nd Amendment). They are more polite and respectful when most ctizens are armed.

30 posted on 12/24/2005 6:23:30 AM PST by Bob Mc
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To: jalisco555
In my opinion, secularists are testing out official control of Christians in the US with their extreme banning and control of Christians in the public square in the name of the living constitution.

Judges are now starting to lay out the public prayers Christians are permitted to say in the opening of public meetings. They want to get Christians accustomed to being told what they can and can not believe of their religion. Along side that, secular business leaders are banning the C-word and demanding acceptance of homosexual sex and daring Christians to do something about it.

In Lexington, Ma. officials arrested a Christian father for objecting to his five year old son being inducted into the homosexual ideology in the public school. Few stood up for him. It is as safe to persecute Christians in Mass. as it is in Europe because Christianity is dead there. It is a soulless society. Not every church, but most churches are liberation theology things where you can not tell the difference between the sermon and a radical rally at Harvard.

They are testing to see what power we have; how organized and united we are and how tolerant we are to being religiously controlled by secular authority. It is imperative that we show them that we are organized and won't let them get way with persecuting Christians or controlling us or our culture. If we can shut them down, we will be a beacon for Christians everywhere. Europe, on the other hand will become a magnet for the dark side.
31 posted on 12/24/2005 6:24:25 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: jalisco555

In Massachusetts we just had a petition to get rid of same sex marriage which was put in Illegally by our court system.

The perverted Homosexual groups, who we have shown so much tolerance too in the past, are up in arms.

The Homosexual groups are getting lists of all who signed the petition with addressees so these homosexual groups can harass and intimidate the signers.

We really need to take the Judicial system back from the Barbarians/Homosexuals.


32 posted on 12/24/2005 6:30:12 AM PST by chatham
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This is a disturbing trend. The next step is to make preaching against homosexuality in a religious context a crime, as it appears to be in other European countries.
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This would merely be a disturbing trend had London not been bombed this past summer. It is a suicidal trend given that.


33 posted on 12/24/2005 6:54:51 AM PST by JLS
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To: jalisco555

This is so stupid that it's scary.


34 posted on 12/24/2005 7:06:48 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: jalisco555
Police tell Christian couple view on gays 'close to hate crime'

By the same token, the police's views on the couples views are also close to a 'hate crime'.

I wonder if they thought about that??
35 posted on 12/24/2005 7:26:49 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: JLS
This is a disturbing trend.

I have seen Gays/Lesbian groups protesting during Christian gatherings; one I remember was at a Catholic church in New York city and the other in Boston. There probably has been the same kind of Gay demonstrations in London. I bet these are not considered hate crimes!

Just goes to prove to me that Gays are a highly protected special class and the left will ask for more and more special rights as time goes on -- on a real slipery slope.

36 posted on 12/24/2005 7:43:19 AM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Animal Rights Activist Advisory: No French Person Was Injured In The Writing Of This Post)
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To: JLS
"preaching against homosexuality in a religious context a crime, as it appears to be in other European countries"

There are Christian radio ministries in the US that have to have a different message to broadcast to Canada -- today because of these hate laws. Canada has strict laws about "homophobic" bible based thought crimes that can't be mentioned on the radio.

37 posted on 12/24/2005 7:49:16 AM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Animal Rights Activist Advisory: No French Person Was Injured In The Writing Of This Post)
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later ping this one out.


38 posted on 12/24/2005 7:49:57 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: jalisco555
Thought crimes must be punished!

Indeed! All pigs are equal except some are more equal than others.

It's getting to the point where simply disagreeing with a homosexual lifestyle is a crime in itself simply on the merits of disagreement.

39 posted on 12/24/2005 7:53:08 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: sgtbono2002
Horse Hockey. No way 2% can cause all this BS.

Like most poisons, it doesn't take much to kill you.

40 posted on 12/24/2005 8:01:26 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: JudgemAll
A council spokesman said the couple had “displayed potentially homophobic attitudes”.

He added: “The council referred this matter to the police for further investigation with the intention of challenging attitudes and educating and raising awareness of the implications of homophobic behaviour.”

One HAS to wonder what other activities will get the law down on you for being "potentially homophobic attitudes".

Now, not only thought crime is a crime, but potential thought crime is a crime.

So much for "Free Speech" rights. Obviously, England is no longer a democracy.

41 posted on 12/24/2005 8:03:17 AM PST by America's Resolve (I've become a 'single issue voter' for 06 and 08. My issue is illegal immigration!)
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To: BooksForTheRight.com
send letters and make phone calls.

Ho Ho Ho! LOL
That'll have the same effectiveness it's had in regards to legalized baby shredding, which is little to none.

42 posted on 12/24/2005 8:07:55 AM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: JudgemAll; jalisco555
I wonder why the turd on the council that complained hasn't filed a complaint against the local Mosque.

I haven't seen the gays in London complaining against the radical Imams there. Strange, isn't it.

43 posted on 12/24/2005 8:08:07 AM PST by texas booster (Bless the legal immigrants!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
.....preaching against homosexuality in a religious context a crime.....

Christian Pastors have already been charged and tried in Denmark and Canada. The Pastor in Denmark was acquited by an appeals court, but I don't recall what happened in Canada.

44 posted on 12/24/2005 8:09:39 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Bob Mc
They are more polite and respectful when most citizens are armed.

Exactly !!!

The only reliable way to keep government in its place is for the population to be well armed and proficient in the use of their arsenal.

45 posted on 12/24/2005 8:10:07 AM PST by Freebird Forever (If they're truly public servants, why do they live in the mansions?)
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To: Bob Mc
Governments and police like in England feel emboldened when the subjects give up their sovereignty (i.e. the 2nd Amendment). They are more polite and respectful when most ctizens are armed.

Then it is those that have posited themselves in places of Governmental authority that are the enemies of the people.

Where did I hear that before?

46 posted on 12/24/2005 8:12:50 AM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: jalisco555

Thank god that is Europe. At first I thought it was in U.S. I doubt highly that they would have a problem with the old folks putting a bunch of papers in a slot next to gay literature. This seems so ridiculous, but I don't give a sh** because it did not happen in America and does not concern me at all.


47 posted on 12/24/2005 8:17:40 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: sgtbono2002

Wondered that myself, there must be a hell of a lot left in the closet. Who would have thought, 20, hell 10 years ago that this could actually be happening throughout the western world. Police talking to a couple of retired people re their opinions, questions and thoughts?! This is scary - WHERE THE HELL ARE THE MEN IN THIS WORLD?!!!!


48 posted on 12/24/2005 8:19:08 AM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Freebird Forever
The only reliable way to keep government in its place is for the population to be well armed and proficient in the use of their arsenal.

Except, no one in European Governments ever backs down because the 'little people' have guns. They send in government employed jackbooted thugs with overwhelming fire power to slaughter the people that dared to stand up for themselves.

You and I both know they'd really have to have some blood shed, not symbolic waving of muskets and not useless rhetoric.

49 posted on 12/24/2005 8:22:28 AM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: jalisco555

What utter, complete bullshit.


50 posted on 12/24/2005 8:30:24 AM PST by RightOnline
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