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The most corrupt Administration in US history??
none | now | me

Posted on 12/24/2005 8:25:27 PM PST by GodfearingTexan

Please forgive me, but I need some assistance. I had lunch recently with a close family member who insisted that President Bush is leading the most corrupt admin in history. I countered that it wasn't, that in fact Clinton had easily a more corrupt admin and had more people indicted than any other. He replied, no, that was Nixon. I honestly just don't have time to research all of this, and I know that there are people on here that either know the answer off the top of their heads or can tell me exactly where I can look it up.


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1 posted on 12/24/2005 8:25:28 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: GodfearingTexan

Depends on how you define corruption...indictments? Convictions? Rumors? Lies perpetuated by the party not in power?

Your friend is wrong and is living in a fantasy world of liberalism. There is nothing you can do about it. The debate you are contemplating will be a losing battle with this person, they will always change the criteria as soon as you show him wrong.


3 posted on 12/24/2005 8:29:16 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: Americe_Love_it_Or_Leave_it

Be honest I think President Nixon was most corrupt

If you talking about being traitor Clinton and Carter adminiation could tie for both


4 posted on 12/24/2005 8:31:11 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody in, it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"= Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: GodfearingTexan
Clinton had easily a more corrupt admin and had more people indicted than any other.

And more on the way, I hope. Like The Hildabeaste (campaign finance crimes, Barrett report).

I suspect twenty years from now Xlinton will hold the all time record for most administration employees indicted.

5 posted on 12/24/2005 8:31:42 PM PST by upchuck (Article posts of just one or two sentences do not preserve the quality of FR. Lazy FReepers be gone!)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Just get liquored up and forget about it.


6 posted on 12/24/2005 8:31:49 PM PST by zarf (The BCS sucks.)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Long article about it here:

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-1219,subcat-POLITICS.html

GOOGLE is your friend!!!


7 posted on 12/24/2005 8:32:08 PM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: SevenofNine

If you're talking financial corruption, it's probably a tie between Grant and Harding.

Your friend is probably not willing, or perhaps capable, of defining his terms.


8 posted on 12/24/2005 8:32:43 PM PST by Restorer
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To: GodfearingTexan

Just agree with your family member and be smug about it, that usually gets them annoyed pretty good. Also you can let him know that even though he and liberals like him are wrong, the president will continue to do whatever he can to protect every American, not just those that agree with him. And then you can take his lunch from him and eat it.


9 posted on 12/24/2005 8:32:59 PM PST by Gribbles141
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To: zarf

hahaha that's the best answer when dealing with liberal family members


10 posted on 12/24/2005 8:33:19 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: SevenofNine
Be honest I think President Nixon was most corrupt

Give me a break. Even Travelgate, one of Clinton's lesser scandals, was more damaging than Watergate.

11 posted on 12/24/2005 8:33:28 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: GodfearingTexan
Never forget that those who use such illogical and nonsensical reasoning to try to denigrate this administration, and its efforts in combating the war on terror, do so in an effort to justify their own inaction in the cause of liberty.

I was always raised with the ideal that a man unwilling to fight for liberty, deserved neither liberty, or manhood.

If you say the cause is corrupt, or unjust, then you allow yourself the self delusion that you are neither a coward, or traitor as you hide behind the "momma skirt", plaintively bleating for someone to "make the bad men go away".

However, be careful. Hell hath no fury like a coward, cretin, creep or traitor exposed.
12 posted on 12/24/2005 8:33:31 PM PST by MCCRon58 (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who do neither, complain!)
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To: zarf
Just get liquored up and forget about it.

Totally agree. Why talk politics during the holidays?

13 posted on 12/24/2005 8:34:49 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: MCCRon58

hmmmm....very wise analysis.


14 posted on 12/24/2005 8:34:52 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: GodfearingTexan
I can offer assistance in the form of advice. Quit socializing with leftist family and friends. They are the enemy. The war on terror isn't a parlor game.

!! Have A Cool Yule !!


15 posted on 12/24/2005 8:36:12 PM PST by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. have a nice day.)
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To: GodfearingTexan
I would avoid eating or discussing politics with that person.
16 posted on 12/24/2005 8:38:37 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: GodfearingTexan
“Don't approach a goat from the front, a horse from the back, or a fool from any side.”
17 posted on 12/24/2005 8:39:44 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Mark Twain?


18 posted on 12/24/2005 8:43:12 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: SevenofNine
Be honest I think President Nixon was most corrupt

Nixon just wanted to sic the IRS on his political enemies.

President Clinton and her husband DID sic the IRS on dozens of their political enemies.

19 posted on 12/24/2005 8:43:27 PM PST by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Actually here's the sad truth. The Bush Administration isn't corrupt, in fact it has been refreshingly honest regarding some of the problems our nation faces, although I disagree strongly with the nonexistent stance on illegal immigration. It is Congress that has pushed the envelope of corruption to the n'th degree, and both political sides at that. Makes the Roman senate in the waning days of the empire look like boy scouts. Every last one needs to be kicked out on their collective ears. Just like P.J. O'Rourke said... it's a parliament of whores.


20 posted on 12/24/2005 8:43:55 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: lesser_satan
ANON
I give credit if it is available.
21 posted on 12/24/2005 8:44:23 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: GodfearingTexan

** President Bush is leading the most corrupt admin in history.***
In history, I would say U.S. Grant.


22 posted on 12/24/2005 8:44:54 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Know what I want I want an official Red Rider 200 shot carbine action range model air rifle!)
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To: GodfearingTexan
DOWNSIDE LEGACY at two degrees of Bill Clinton, by Freeper Alamo-Girl
23 posted on 12/24/2005 8:45:17 PM PST by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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To: SpaceBar

I tend to agree.


24 posted on 12/24/2005 8:45:49 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Good quote nonetheless.


25 posted on 12/24/2005 8:46:20 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: GodfearingTexan
i'm guessing the proper question to a vague general assertion like that is ...
"who ? and how so ?"
26 posted on 12/24/2005 8:46:33 PM PST by stylin19a (you can leed Freepers to spelchek, but you can't make 'em use it.)
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To: SevenofNine
Be honest I think President Nixon was most corrupt

Examples?

27 posted on 12/24/2005 8:50:05 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Kennedy's


28 posted on 12/24/2005 8:50:47 PM PST by kajingawd (" happy with stone underhead, let Heaven and Earth go about their changes")
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To: fizziwig
I'm sure you can find it somewhere in FR, but I remember that the Clinton record was just that....a record number of indictments and a record number of convictions of people in the administration as well as "fellow travelers".

Just tell your friend where the famous "wall" between the CIA and FBI sharing information came from. It was erected by Jamie Gorelick, Clinton's Assistant Attorney General to shield Clinton from illegal foreign campaign fund raising (China and Indonesia) charges that the CIA had discovered. It prevented the info from passing to the FBI which would have prosecuted. See Louis Freeh's book; "My FBI".

In at least some measure, the "wall" lead to 9/11!

29 posted on 12/24/2005 8:52:19 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: upchuck
>>>>I suspect twenty years from now.....<<<<

He holds it now!

30 posted on 12/24/2005 8:53:51 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Lokibob
In thst link of yours, I noticed this:

,i>President George W. Bush, who was not doing well in the polls as late as August 2001, turned himself into a great crisis manager after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. His handling of the situation brought new life to his presidency.

To say that he wasn't a crisis manager before, and had to reinvent himself. Old Leftist talking point from three years ago. Nope, no bias here, move along, sheeple...

31 posted on 12/24/2005 8:54:22 PM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: GodfearingTexan

CLINTON
SCANDAL STATS
COMPILED BY THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW

Originally published October 1998. Partially updated 9/21/00
Please send corrections and additions to THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW

THE REVIEW HOME PAGE
NOTES
Some of the data has not been updated recently and thus understates conditions. In certain areas, such as anomalous deaths, we have used an extremely conservative count. It is important in considering these fatal incidents to bear in mind the following:
(1) The fact that anomalies need to be investigated further carries no presumption of how a death actually occurred, only that there remain serious questions that require answers.
(2) The possibility of foul play must be taken seriously in a major criminal conspiracy in which over two score individuals and firms have been convicted and over 100 witnesses have pled the Fifth Amendment or fled the country.
(3) If foul play did occur in any of these cases, that fact by itself does not carry the presumption that the White House was involved. Given the footprints of organized crime, drug trade, foreign espionage, and intelligence agencies on the trail of the Clinton story, such a assumption would not be warranted.
ADMINISTRATION RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months.
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million
- Number of Clinton cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of imprisonments: 14
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 124
CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION
- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. [These figures are included in the larger figures elsewhere].
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.
STARR INVESTIGATION
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
- Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million
- Reasons individuals other than Espy were convicted or pled guilty: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff sentenced to prison in this case)
CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery(4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts(1), illegal campaign contributions(5), money laundering (6)
POSSIBLE CRIMES AND SUSPICIOUS MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS, CONGRESS,
AND/OR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, illegal acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, illegal futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, as well as providing access to the White House to drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime.
UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA
- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of persons involved with Clinton who have been beaten up: 2
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen): 5
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10
ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME
- Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9
- Number known to have been murdered: 12
- Number who died in plane crashes: 6
- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3
- Number killed during Waco massacre: 4
- Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of medications being taken by Jim McDougal at the time he was placed in solitary confinement shortly before his death: 12
- Number of unexplained deaths: 4
- Total suspicious deaths: 46
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156
ARKANSAS ALZHEIMER'S
- Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50
- Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42
- Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271
- Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125
- Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235
ARKANSAS MONEY MANAGEMENT
- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million
- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000
- Number of commercial banks: 570
- Number of bank regulators: 1
- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-80s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.
- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3
- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15%
- Percent of Worthen bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then governor, Bill Clinton: 40%.
- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: over 50%
THE MEDIA
- Number of journalists covering Whitewater who have been fired, transferred off the beat, resigned or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals (Doug Frantz, Jim Wooten, Richard Behar, Christopher Ruddy, Michael Isikoff, David Eisenstadt, Yinh Chan, Jonathan Broder, James R. Norman, Zoh Hieronimus): 10
FRIENDS OF BILL
- Number of times John Huang took the 5th Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000
- Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie. 160
- Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577
- Number of members of Thomas Boggs's law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration. 18
- Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37
- Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261
- Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500
POLITICAL FALL-OUT
- According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of November 2000 that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats controlled only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans.
Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the Democrats. Not only was this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).
Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton:
- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3


32 posted on 12/24/2005 8:56:41 PM PST by DougSc
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To: GodfearingTexan

In my family, there is only one liberal. She knows from past experience to keep her mouth shut about politics during family gatherings. The only time she challenged the conservative viewpoint.....she was ganged up on...and it was verbally brutal. I broke it up by recommending that she come lurk on this site awhile and read a few books about the Clinton/Gore era....to educate herself.


33 posted on 12/24/2005 8:58:16 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: GodfearingTexan

http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm is an invaluable compendium, and by a leftist.


34 posted on 12/24/2005 8:58:19 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: DougSc

Merry Christmas to all liberals.

That ought to get them riled up.


35 posted on 12/24/2005 8:59:48 PM PST by billhilly (Demo camo is yellow and white)
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To: fizziwig

"Your friend is wrong and is living in a fantasy world of liberalism."

Agreed. And this "most corrupt" question is along the lines of have you stopped beating your wife.

He doesnt want an answer. He wants to bash Bush. Period.

Dont give him the opportunity. Itll drive him nuts.


36 posted on 12/24/2005 9:00:41 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: GodfearingTexan

Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


37 posted on 12/24/2005 9:03:19 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: GodfearingTexan

Look-up anything by MiaT or Alamo Girl. Backhoe will also supply you about ten million links. Keyword search for: clinton, krinton, bentone, x42, slickwilly, sinkmaster, etc.


38 posted on 12/24/2005 9:05:32 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Was there anything that stunk as wrankly as the Marc Rich pardon? I think that just topped off the Clinton presidency for me. You couldn't really add anymore.


39 posted on 12/24/2005 9:05:52 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Restorer

In the modern, but pre WW II era, it would be Harding. Post WW II, without a doubt the attempt at creation of the Imperial Presidency by the Nixon gang will go down in history as the most sinister and corrupt. With the sole exception of Doctor Kissinger and the opening of relations with China, Nixon runs away with that inestimable title. The internal conduct of his gang of thieves, who were unrepentent when exposed, was an all-time, Olympic quality disgraceful challenge to our democracy--and, that cretin on talk radio, Liddy, remains unapologetic for his criminal conduct. Of course he's sorry he got caught. A truly contemptable character.


40 posted on 12/24/2005 9:07:22 PM PST by middie
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To: DougSc
"Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify"

No one will ever beat that record.

42 posted on 12/24/2005 9:10:49 PM PST by moonman
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To: GodfearingTexan

Your friend doesn't know the first thing about American history. Jefferson definitely rigged the vote-counting when he beat Burr in 1800 and things got worse after that. Jackson was deprived of the Presidency in 1824 by thievery. Several 19th century Presidents were comnpletely corrupt...but the standards were different at the time; it was expected.


43 posted on 12/24/2005 9:16:17 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: GodfearingTexan

AlamoGirl.com is where I'd start reading.


44 posted on 12/24/2005 9:20:25 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Old Sarge

Didnt even read the article, Sarge, just googled it for texan.


45 posted on 12/24/2005 9:26:32 PM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: GodfearingTexan

You don't need to do the research necessarily. The first thing to do is ask them to specify the criteria and statistics by which they claim Bush's admin is the worst.


46 posted on 12/24/2005 9:28:09 PM PST by plain talk
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To: liberallarry
Jefferson definitely rigged the vote-counting when he beat Burr in 1800

Huh? Burr was running for veep on the ticket with Jefferson. A defect in the Constitution, since corrected by amendment, resulted in both of them receiving an equal number of electoral votes and the election wound up in the House, where Jefferson was eventually elected.

As this was the exact intent of the voters, none of whom voted for Burr to be President, I fail to see why you consider Jefferson's election corrupt.

47 posted on 12/24/2005 9:31:18 PM PST by Restorer
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To: GodfearingTexan
I had a similar argument with my older liberal brother. I said it was , without a doubt, Clinton. He , of course, said Nixon. It went on for awhile in Emails but realizing that both of us were getting nowhere I said I'd only continue to waste my time with him if he agreed to let me post the fight on my web site. He declined. Proof positive as far as I'm concerned that he know which side had the weaker stand.
48 posted on 12/24/2005 9:36:13 PM PST by Nateman (Murder, treason, rape, just what crime didn't the Clintons do?)
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To: Restorer

Culture of corruption is just one of their three word slogans. They limit them to 3 words, because their base is so dumb and undisciplined that they can only remember three.


49 posted on 12/24/2005 9:39:07 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Restorer
Burr was running for veep on the ticket with Jefferson.

There were no "tickets" in the early days. The runner-up for President became Vice-President. This doesn't mean that the widespread charges of corruption were any truer then, nor caused by any higher motives than they are now. Various historians say that election was fraught with insane partisan bickering, and insane partisan journalism -- which became "history". Sound familiar?

50 posted on 12/24/2005 9:40:32 PM PST by FreeKeys (A Merry Christmas and a Happy Hanukah Everybody!)
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