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Posted on 12/24/2005 11:44:17 PM PST by F15Eagle
The Arab League and a Vatican official separately, but simultaneously, are campaigning for Israel to divide Jerusalem. The PA recently asked to the Pope to help make the capital part of a new state.
The Arab League has joined Palestinian Authority (PA) officials in exploiting Israel's policy of not allowing Arabs in Jerusalem, who are Israeli citizens, to vote in the PA legislative elections scheduled for January 25.
It told the French news agency AFP that the ban would solidify Israel's claim that the entire capital is part of the country. AFP termed the predominantly Arab neighborhoods of the city "occupied east Jerusalem."
The papal representative in Israel, Nazareth native Michael Sabbah, told reporters, "This [partition] wall must not exist. One day it will not exist. The Palestinian people should regain their liberty and land with a state and a capital and the Israeli people should have security."
His statements are in opposition to previous Vatican statements, which have suggested that Jerusalem be established as an international city.
During Abbas' visit, Pope Benedict accepted a document granting him unlimited access to Bethlehem as well as a passport to the city making him "the first citizen of Bethlehem," according to the PA radio network.
Abbas told the Pope, "If we can't hold democratic elections in Jerusalem it will be difficult to do it in the other zones." The Arab League and the PA have seized the issue to put the blame on Israel if the elections are canceled. If Israel backs down and allows Arab Israelis to vote, it would help support the PA demand that the city become the capital of a new Arab state.
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Ideas are dime a dozen. Bad ideas are penny a gross.
lol, probably true.
Merry CHRISTmas to you and everybody
By now who's surprised?
And the papal opinion carries how much political weight in Israel?
So..
Zilch, zero, nada....
I doesn't have to carry weight in Israel. It only has to convince the U.N. and other world organizations to put pressure on Israel and it will be a done deal. I believe it will happen because Bible Prophecy says it will. Israel is getting screwed and Sharon is helping it. Israel needs Netanyahu bad. And the Vatican is no friend of theirs either. IMHO
They keep getting these little increments until there is nothing left. Give them nothing until Hamas and Hez ballah are shown to be exterminated.
The world's crowd needs to quit messing with Israel and all that belongs to her!
God has an eternal plan for the Jews that does not include ANY of the rest of the world's meddling planners who are only interested in Israel's destruction!
I can't believe that this is in any way serious. The Pope ain't stupid, becuase whomever wrote this article is.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem; may they prosper that love her.
God requires more than a tip of the hat to this truth.
"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen"
The pagan Saturnalia that we celebrate today is not the birthday of Jesus and we are ignoring that fact in the name of tradition. If God had wanted us to celebrate Christ's birthday, don't you think He would have told you what day it happened on? Scripture doesn't mention it.
Good Christians have histrically thrown out the bathwater when it got dirty and toweled down the baby and adored Him.
If the Vatican loves muslim terrorists so much, they should divide half of the Vatican and give it to them. I am sure there are enough muslims in Europe who would love to do their "namaz" (prayers) in the Vatican.
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Michel Sabbah is not speaking for the Vatican or the Pope. He is a Fatah dhimmi and has been shilling for the Mohammedan warlords for many years.
The PA wants to hold their regional elections in "East Jerusalem" which belongs to Israel.
Arabs who are Israeli citizens are not allowed to vote in PA elections. If Israeli Arabs are allowed to vote in PA elections then why can't "Jewish Palestinians" (aka "settlers").
Let me add the usual disclaimer that you have to take what some of these Vatican officials say with a grain of salt. There's a lot of bad apples in the Vatican beauracracy, and like the article says, they are speaking in contradiction to the official view of the Church, which is the only one that counts.
Thanks for your reply and Merry Christmas.
Jerusalem is an integral part of Israel and should always remain so. If the muslims don't like it, they can always go back to Saudi Arabia (where they came from).
"Oh whatever. Take your Watchtower Society errors and bring them to the local Kingdom Hall. BTW, what this has to do with the article is beyond my understanding."
The Christians of New Testament times knew no Roman Catholic "Christ Mass" nor did the celebrate any Holy Day"; because they had Christ in their hearts they celebrated their salvation 365 days a year.
You are leaping to false conclusions when you assume I'm a JW or LDS. Wrong. I'm with the Christians all the way. Biblical, King James, Textus Receptus (Majority Text) scriptural, real Word Of God!
The "error" is the celebrating of pagan holidays wrapped in "Christian" words.
As I was informed while in Israel Arab's who are Israeli citizens do everything Jew's do except serve in the military.
There can be no dividing of Jerusalem, period!
The Vatican should stay the hell out of it.
You're confusing Arab Israelis with Jerusalem residents. Arab Israelis can vote in Israel and are not eligable for PA elections. That is without question. The argument is over Jerusalem residents. Palestinians who do not hold Israeli citizenship but live inside the Jerusalem borders and have some limited rights and privileges in Israel. They want to vote in the PA elections, otherwise they would vote nowhere. The question is if givng them this right would be conceding East Jerusale to the Palestinians.
LOL, lots of luck with that...
Another "schismatic" idea brought forth by the original schismatics.
Jerusalem is an integral part of Israel and should always remain so.
If the muslims don't like it, they can always go back to Saudi Arabia (where they came from).
The land of Israel belongs to the creator of the universe It does not belong to the Roman church They dabble at their own peril. b'shem Y'shua
and He gave to Judah and Israel.
nor the European Union nor the United States.
As a member of the Church which received the Textus Receptus (a.k.a. Byzantine Majority Text), I would remind you that it was councils of the Church which decided which books were Scripture, and with the same authority, the Church provided cycles of celebrations, salutory ways of focusing the mind of Christians on various aspects of God's work of salvation: the daily cycle of the hours (now used mostly in monasteries), which, for example at the third hour recalls particularly the descent of the Holy Spirit, at the ninth, Christ's saving death upon the cross, and annual cycles which recall notable events in the history of our salvation--including a commemoration of Christ's Incarnation which united our nature to the Divine Nature in His person.
When certain dates were known (as the death of a saint, or Our Lord's Crucifixion and Resurrection), the commemorations were dated on the basis of these. The fact that for commemorations of events without certain associated dates--as Our Lord's Nativity according to the flesh, or the passing from this life of Old Covenant prophets--the Fathers of the Church
decided often to blot out popular pagan festivals (as the festival of 'Sol Invictus') does not make the Church's judgement in commemorating, or
scheduling the commemoration of Our Lord's birth an 'error' or the holiday pagan.
And a Merry Christmas to you.
Western Schism From Wikipedia
Historical map of the Western SchismThe Western Schism or Papal Schism (Also known as the Great Schism of Western Christianity) was a split within the Catholic Church in 1378. Lacking any real theological or doctrinal underpinnings, being rather driven by politics, it was resolved after 40 years by the Council of Constance. It is occasionally called the Great Schism, though this term is more often applied to the East-West Schism of 1054.
The schism in the Western church resulted from the untimely return of the Papacy from Avignon to Rome by Pope Gregory XI in 1378, ending the Avignon Papacy.
After Gregory XI died, the Romans rioted to ensure an Italian was elected; the cardinals, fearing the crowds, elected an Italian, Pope Urban VI, in 1378. Urban had been a respected administrator in the papal chancery at Avignon; but once he was elected Pope, he became suspicious, overbearing, and subject to violent outbursts of temper. The Cardinals who had elected him soon came to repent of their decision, and on September 20 the same year, the majority of them removed themselves from Rome to Fondi and elected a rival Pope there, who styled himself as Pope Clement VII and established a second Papal court in Avignon.
The second election threw the Church into a turmoil; there had been antipopes, rival claimants to the papacy before, but most of them had been appointed by various rival factions. Here, the acknowledged and legitimate leaders of the Church themselves had created the two rival popes. European secular leaders had to choose which pope they would recognize. France, Aragon, Castile and León, Cyprus, Burgundy, Savoy, Naples, and Scotland chose to recognize the Avignon claimant. Denmark, England, Flanders, the Holy Roman Empire, Hungary, northern Italy, Ireland, Norway, Poland, and Sweden followed the Roman claimant. Even people later recognized as saints were caught up in the dispute; St Catherine of Siena defended Urban's papacy, while St Vincent Ferrer was in Clement's camp.
Sustained by national and factional rivalries throughout Catholic Christendom, the schism survived the deaths of both initial claimants; Pope Boniface IX, crowned at Rome in 1389, and Antipope Benedict XIII, who reigned in Avignon from 1394, maintained their rival courts. When Boniface died in 1404, the eight cardinals of the Roman conclave offered to refrain from electing a new pope if Benedict resigned; his legates refused on his behalf, and the Roman party licitly elected Pope Innocent VII, continuing the schism.
A church council was held at Pisa in 1409 to try to solve the dispute, but only elected a third Pope, Antipope Alexander V, shortly succeeded by Antipope John XXIII.
Finally, the Council of Constance in 1417 deposed John XXIII and the Avignon Pope Benedict XIII, received the resignation of the Roman Pope Gregory XII (who had abdicated in 1415), and elected Pope Martin V, thereby permanently ending the schism.
Thus the line of Roman popes was recognized as the legitimate line. Consistent with this outcome, from this time forward in the Catholic church it was decreed explicitly that no Council had power over the Popes, and there is no way to undo a Papal election by anyone but the pope.
The alternate papal claimants have become known in history as antipopes.
The Great Schism of the Western Church occupied the energies of Jean Gerson, one of the great theologians of the age.
For further reading see: The Three Popes: An Account of the Great Schism, by Marzieh Gail; The Great Schism: 1378, by John Holland Smith (New York 1970); The Origins of the Great Schism: A study in fourteenth century ecclesiastical history, by Walter Ullmann.
If it walks like a schism, and talks like a schism, then .....?
See Conservative til I die's comments below. It's not a matter of the Vatican "loving Muslim terrorists." Pope Benedict's comments and actions back in July show that he has no love for Muslim radicals. Islam is the historical enemy of Catholicism.
I forgot to ping you to my post #39.
The Holy Orthodox Church.
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And a Merry Christmas to you and all our separated Latin bretheren.
Crazy.
Good grief! You are an idiot.
"Some" churches have a lengthy history, and a knack for sticking there nose into politics, then act real innocent, once confronted with the stupidity of their ideas, such as dividing Jerusalem.
Merry Christmas, anyway.
Down with this really bad Papal idea and any who support them! Are his German origins beginning to show themselves?
I'm sure they want this desperately!
Bad idea...and one that G_d will have a say in.
I've read the books, I know how this turns out...but I'm not going to give away the ending to those who suppoort the "other team" as it were.
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