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Much of the above letter as it appeared in the Lebanon Daily News was edited. This is the subsequent letter in response:

"Thank you very much for demonstrating your paper’s low level of journalistic integrity in today’s reporting of the “Santa Controversy.” I was misquoted in both ofyour articles, and much of what I had to say--including the main points of the interview I agreed to give to your reporter, Mr. Schuler, were omitted entirely. Perhaps these qualities is why your circulation is so low, why free papers show up at my door all the time, as well why I get frequent nuisance calls from your telemarketers wanting me to subscribe to your three-page paper. You really do need to give it away.

I never said in my telephone interviews with Mr. Schuyler that I want everyone to “agree with” my beliefs about teaching, or not teaching, Santa Claus to children. What I said, as I stated in my letter to the editor and evidently need to clarify further, was that 1) what public school is doing by promoting Santa Claus is promoting a form of religion; that 2) religion should not be promoted in public school; 3) a teacher should not be required to promote a religion in public school; and 4) the lesson plan requiring me to promote Santa Claus was imposing religion on me, not the other way around. I certainly am not responsible for, or interested in, making people believe as I do about anything, for that is definitely not my job.

Leonard Martin, a friend of mine, is without a doubt the gentlest, humblest, meekest man I know, a devout Christian who practices his belief in God with the highest integrity. He does not believe in violence or retribution or “revenge.” Mr. Martin never used the phrase “a form of revenge” in speaking to Mr.Schuler, and yet he was represented as saying this or believing in this.

You neglected to include my entire statements about freedom of speech and religion. Don’t you like the Constitution? It read: “Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States.” I also said, in full: that belief in Santa is “ a distorted substitute for the Judeo-Christian God; a false form of Christianity; a zealously-protected American idol.” I also said, without edit, “If people are upset about the revelation to children that Santa Claus is a myth-- which all children who are taught this lie find or figure out eventually-- perhaps it is because Santa is that zealously-guarded idol of their own modern religion.” This statment only makes sense if you include the phrases you omitted.

I spoke in trust with Mr. Schuler, who told me the article was to be a front-page story showing Leonard Martin’s sign, and that the inclusion of my involvement at the school was to be a small part of that story. It was under those terms that I agreed to be interviewed. Instead, your editors put me on the front page- rather negatively, in fact-- and Mr. Martin’s sign, small and off to the bottom, on page five. I would never have agreed to speak to this reporter at all, had I known that your paper would distort both my words and its intentions about the use of my words. Evidently a lame front-page “contoversy” beats stating quotations and sentiments accurately and without bias. Is this how you think you will sell a few more papers?

I would wish you to print this letter in its entirety, but based on today’s experience, I highly doubt all my words will appear as I intend them to appear, which means all of my words, none deleted, without your “editing.” It might even make your paper bigger."

1 posted on 12/26/2005 8:11:17 AM PST by Conservatrix
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To: Conservatrix

http://invoman.com/santa_claus.htm

I try to explain it from a Biblical view.


477 posted on 12/26/2005 2:41:46 PM PST by invoman
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No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false,"<<< Good point!...If they believe that strongly, they should do the honorable thing and quit before involving themselves!!...


522 posted on 12/26/2005 3:59:43 PM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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What about Hanukkah Harry?


523 posted on 12/26/2005 3:59:45 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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Anyone who trusts a reporter is a fool.

Reporters are in the business of getting printed. The stories which get printed are the stories that generate controversy. A reporter will do what he needs to do in order to generate such controversy

A well-placed source might have promises to him kept -- not out of honor, but to keep him as a source. A one-shot source is different, and may be burned with impunity. Speaking as somebody who has dealt with reporters

526 posted on 12/26/2005 4:09:25 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false,

Guess that's why you're not a real teacher, toots.
533 posted on 12/26/2005 4:50:23 PM PST by Xenalyte (Tom Cruise is in my closet and he won't come out.)
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I gave the children quick historical background about the Santa Claus myth-- its evolution from the historic Nickolaus, Bishop of Myrna in Asia Minor, who died in 343 A.D., to its amalgamation with ancient Western pagan traditions of German, Scandinavian and Dutch origins, to the current manifestation in the secular Christmas culture of today.

Upon this tirade the children were nestled asleep at their desks, while visions of sugar plums danced in their heads.

534 posted on 12/26/2005 4:53:15 PM PST by omni-scientist
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What an interesting thread!

I must admit, I am confused by some of the arguments being offered here.

On the one hand, many people are saying that "Santa Claus" is a myth (like The Illiad), or a fantasy story and thus there is no harm in teaching about him. After all, the Iliad is taught in school, as are fantasy tales like "The Lord of the Rings".

However, children don't believe those things are true. If something is a myth, children are told that it is a myth and when I was a child, it was stressed that myths are not true.

On the other hand, much of the anger directed at this teacher seems to be precisely because she taught Santa as a myth, a fantasy tale, and not the truth.

If Santa is a myth, then what is wrong with calling him that?

Do people teach their children that Frodo and Sam are real people?


544 posted on 12/26/2005 6:17:28 PM PST by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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Looks like someone didn't get what she wanted at Christmas and has been pissed off since.

This pervert "teacher" gets off on inflicting emotional pain on little children and hides behind some high-minded "light of truth" defense to wiggle away from any condemnation.

Far from having any understanding of human social dynamics, she's even further from empathizing with the hearts and spirits of young children. Their needs to dream and have wonder, fantasy and play in their lives.

If justice had any presence in this state, or our society, her license to teach would be ripped from her grasp and she'd be listed with the authorities under a form of Megan's Law registration.

I sure hope she can't breed.

559 posted on 12/26/2005 7:12:14 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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There's a reason she's a substitute teacher!
578 posted on 12/26/2005 9:30:43 PM PST by Scarchin (www.classdismissedblog.com.)
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If anyone is still reading this thread, I would be interested if they would consider and address the following scenario.

A crazed former postal worker breaks into his old post office, brandishing a shotgun, and starts shooting. He is clearly targeting only women. You see a woman duck into a closet to hide, and choose to stand in front of it, casually. He asks you, wild-eyed: "is anyone in there?" You say, "No." He takes your word for it and moves on; you have, therefore, saved a life by lying.

No doubt we would all agree that you have done a good thing. The question is, have you sinned; do you need God's forgiveness for that act; or is it credited to you as a good deed? I say the latter.

If you're interested in a Biblical version of this scenario, it is not hard to find: Exodus 1:15-20, Joshua 2:1-7.

Even more interesting is 1 Samuel 16:1-4, in which God actually commanded Samuel to deceive Saul. Or 2 Kings 6:14-20, in which God actually participated in a ruse, carried out by Elisha, against some Syrian soldiers sent to seize him.

These examples are extreme, no doubt; it is one thing to lie to save a life and another to allow a child to believe in a fantasy. But the bigger issue to me, here, is that it seems that it is sometimes not even wrong to use a falsehood; not just the lesser of two evils, but not evil in the first place.

Is it still so in the case of Santa Claus? Perhaps. But, perhaps we should expect a little more humility in addressing the question from the affirmative point of view.

583 posted on 12/26/2005 10:07:22 PM PST by mcg1969
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"The belief in Santa Claus as a divine, magical, omniscient, powerful, giving, loving father-figure, to which children are taught to make supplications and requests, is a religion indeed-- a distorted substitute for the Judeo-Christian God; a false form of Christianity; a zealously-protected American idol."

Uhm... I just kinda thought he was a right jolly old elf... you c*nt.

SOTG


592 posted on 12/27/2005 2:37:31 AM PST by Son Of The Godfather
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It does amaze me that while it is absolutely wrong to teach Jesus during the Christmas season, it is perfectly correct to replace Him with a Santa Claus and change the term from Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays.

Maybe people are offended with Jesus?

We told our kids the truth about Santa as soon as they were able to understand the truth.

We forbid them from telling other kids, and we sure don't force them to go along with the ridiculous fable.


600 posted on 12/27/2005 4:53:18 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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Here comes Santa Claus, here comes Santa Claus,
Right down Santa Claus lane
He'll come around when the chimes ring out
That it's Christmas morn again
Peace on earth will come to all
If we just follow the light
So lets give thanks to the Lord above

That Santa Claus comes tonight!

639 posted on 12/27/2005 8:08:55 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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The current Santa Claus figure was popularized in the late 19th Century by artist Thomas Nast of Harper’s Weekly Magazine, who depicted “Saint Nick,” not as an elf, but a rotund, pipe-smoking man in a red and white suit. This is the deity to which countless public school children today are taught to make supplications, and about whom they sing their many songs at annual public school Christmas programs.

If people are upset about the revelation to children that Santa Claus is a myth-- which all children who are taught this lie find or figure out eventually-- perhaps it is because Santa is that zealously-guarded idol of their own modern religion.


Knee jerks aside, this is an interesting culmination of where our nation has been headed for several years. I think it's a valid point - lots of school books and lesson plans out there with 'magical' and 'legendary' creatures/events. From a secular and non-believing standpoint, how is that different from teaching about Christ or the Ten Commandments? Makes strong sense, if we're to be consistent about the whole deal. Not saying that a classroom of 6-year-olds is the best place to make the stand, but I understand her argument. If we're all going to be able to have thin and easily offended skin, then everything should have to change.
642 posted on 12/27/2005 8:28:54 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States.

So is the right to be stupid and the right to keep your mouth shut so no one will notice.

sheesh....

645 posted on 12/27/2005 8:35:38 AM PST by Camachee
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No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer.

yeah. and how quickly would a techer be fired if they said the exact smae thing in regards to evolution?


646 posted on 12/27/2005 8:35:48 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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Hmmm, I wonder if she's equally offended when they teach about caring for "mother earth", or celebrate Earth Day (Gaia worship)? I kind of doubt it...
670 posted on 12/27/2005 12:48:31 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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"I gave the children quick historical background about the Santa Claus myth-- its evolution from the historic Nickolaus, Bishop of Myrna in Asia Minor, who died in 343 A.D., to its amalgamation with ancient Western pagan traditions of German, Scandinavian and Dutch origins, to the current manifestation in the secular Christmas culture of today."

I'm sure they feel very enlightened.

671 posted on 12/27/2005 12:58:27 PM PST by Hatteras
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Two words that would solve everything:

School Vouchers!


681 posted on 12/27/2005 8:43:51 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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The teacher is absolutely right. I agree with her views and in a similiar situation I would also EDUCATE the children. The job of a teacher is not to propagate fantasy and myth.


757 posted on 12/29/2005 10:35:11 AM PST by DouglasKC
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