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"Stress cards for Marine boot camp" yup it's what you think.
PFC Marine | today | myself

Posted on 12/27/2005 10:04:14 AM PST by njpa

Men. I can not confirm this with any searching/Googling yet but: It seams that the new recruits of Paris Island (Marine boot camp), will be issued a "sress card" to be used when a drill instructor stresses them out enough. All they need to do is pull out the card and wave it in the instructors face and the instructor needs to back off. Also, the thing called the crusible (hell week)is no more. I know this because I just needed to send back a PFC new Marine on Christmass day. We droped him off at Philly air port to finish the second leg of his training in NC. On the trip down to the air port Mat was telling myself and his mother that he was one of the last of the "REAL" Marines. Word spread via grape vine/his pears about the new, as he says "sisified" batch of Marines. He also, contributes this to an orginization called "Marine moms". I may be wrong in the exact name of the group, I was so hot headed about this. But, it's that or something like that. I needed to quite down in my rantings with it being Christmass day and his mother was upset enough- sending off her son for a 5:55PM flight. I went to his graduation at Paris Island and it was moving and impressive. As I choked back tears at the serimony I was thinking that atleast they haven't infiltrated(to the point that it will make them inefective) the Marines. I seem to be wrong.

Don't know what our Country is becoming.


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1 posted on 12/27/2005 10:04:17 AM PST by njpa
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To: njpa
Sounds like a lot of Bravo-Sierra to me. But, in today's PC world, who the hell knows?
2 posted on 12/27/2005 10:05:33 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I have no faith in any politician or political party any more. They all lie for their agendas.)
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To: njpa
"pull out the card and wave it in the instructors face"

Now that would take balls (at least it would have in my day).

Scrappleface?
3 posted on 12/27/2005 10:06:10 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: njpa

Can you imagine the crap he would take from his fellow recruits for waving the card?


4 posted on 12/27/2005 10:06:19 AM PST by Nachum
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To: njpa

They tried them during the Klinton years, but got rid of them.


6 posted on 12/27/2005 10:06:40 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: njpa

Urban legend.

Check out:http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.htm


7 posted on 12/27/2005 10:07:21 AM PST by cll (San Juan, PR, USA)
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To: njpa

Have you noticed that there is a spellcheck feature. Good grief. How old are you?


8 posted on 12/27/2005 10:07:28 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: njpa

"Word spread via grape vine/his pears about the new, as he says "sisified" batch of Marines"

Are you insinuating that the Marines are a bunch of fruits?


9 posted on 12/27/2005 10:07:57 AM PST by Rebelbase (Green bean casserole is a culinary curse upon mankind.)
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To: njpa

Since there are people out there trying to kill her son, you would think a "marine mom" would want the toughest possible training for her son, to give him the best possible chance of survival in the gun-battle he is almost guaranteed to face.


10 posted on 12/27/2005 10:08:20 AM PST by marron
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To: njpa

From Snopes.


http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.htm


11 posted on 12/27/2005 10:08:26 AM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: njpa

For a few years during the 1990s, the US Navy did issue "stress cards" to new recruits, but they weren't the "Get out of jail free" coupons military lore has since turned them into. Rather, these cards listed names and phone numbers of resources the newcomers could contact "if things pile[d] up." The cards were strictly for informational purposes: they informed recruits of available support services.

Navy trainers began reporting that some of the recruits had taken to raising their cards while being disciplined, as a way of signalling for time out. It's unclear whether any of those enduring basic training really thought that was the purpose of the cards or whether this was just standard armed forces jackassing, but the Navy took no chances and got rid of the cards.

This short-lived experiment with providing recruits with clear information about whom to contact when things went bump in the night has morphed into an unflattering and unsettling illustration of today's soldier as a creampuff. Notice how the story has mutated into one where the drill instructors are portrayed as honor bound to obey the cards when they are displayed to them, an aspect that wasn't part of things during the real cards' short life. The story has also widened its net; what was a Navy hand-out has, in the world of rumor, become a card issued to Army and Marine recruits, making this an Armed Forces-wide phenomenon.

Why was such a story so happily seized upon? We always want to believe anything we've been part of was the biggest, the baddest, and the best. One of the ways we bolster that belief is by looking pityingly upon the current crop who have since taken our places. The high school teams we played on were the toughest and most feared, with today's iterations only pale imitations of the ones we were part of. Likewise, the music of our youth has it all over today's stuff, and schooling in our day was rigorous and thorough, with the hike to the schoolhouse uphill both ways through the snow.

That sentiment, that need to feel superior through disparaging comparison, is part of what underpins this legend about stress cards. In any vet's mind, the armed forces went careening downhill the moment he left. Throughout the history of human endeavor, people have looked back to note with satisfaction how things have gone to hell in a handbasket since their glory days, be they bridge players, churchgoers, parents, or soldiers. It's just human nature.

Change is also threatening, and any shift in how things are run will always bring out the doomsayers, those who will feel it their duty to point out everything is about to come apart. They will hold up any small misstep and repeat any wild tale that seemingly confirms their gloomy prognostications. Just as the influx of women into the armed forces raised misgivings often expressed in "Told you so" kinds of tales, so the "stress card" canard quickly caught on in military lore because it captured the essence of what many believe, that today's army has gone soft.

Barbara "ice cream soldier" Mikkelson


12 posted on 12/27/2005 10:08:27 AM PST by cll (San Juan, PR, USA)
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To: njpa
Guy in the cube next to me is a former Marine. He just said that his DI would have told him to put the 'Stress Card' in a very uncomfortable place. LOL!

I am not a Marine, but my thought is that the Stress Cards will likely stay undercover. Samy guys just said that DI's can't *make* you do anything, but they can make you *wish* that you did.

13 posted on 12/27/2005 10:08:50 AM PST by wbill
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To: Bahbah
This was my favorite...

Word spread via grape vine/his pears about the new, as he says "sisified" batch of Marines.

14 posted on 12/27/2005 10:09:04 AM PST by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: Bahbah

Spellcheck won't get those tricky grammatical errors laced in there, I'm afraid.


15 posted on 12/27/2005 10:09:25 AM PST by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: njpa

I was a "doc" at Fort Jackson for 5 years. I always heard about "Stress Cards" but never could find a trainee with one.


16 posted on 12/27/2005 10:09:30 AM PST by Gamecock ("It is better to think of church in an alehouse than to think of an ale house in Church" Luther)
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To: njpa

OK. Time to cue up "Full Metal Jacket"


17 posted on 12/27/2005 10:10:02 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: njpa

Are these new supposed Marines going to be able to show this card to a bad guy when they are in country. These cards will get these Marines killed. Sarge is the only one that train them so they have a chance to survive. If these new Marines are going to protect us WE have to find a way to destroy this card!


18 posted on 12/27/2005 10:10:40 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: retrokitten

>>his pears<<

All my pears have beebers. Both are stuned.


19 posted on 12/27/2005 10:11:24 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: njpa
njpa
Since Dec 9, 2005

Welcome to FR. If you get any e-mails offering you a fortune from Nigeria, please contact me by private mail so that we can share in the wealth together. You can trust me because we'll only use your bank account and other personal information.

20 posted on 12/27/2005 10:11:26 AM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: Bahbah

"Dec 9, 2005?" Possible stealth troll


21 posted on 12/27/2005 10:11:30 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: njpa

Even if it is true, which I highly doubt, just wait until the card users get into the Fleet Force. Justice is very different out there.


22 posted on 12/27/2005 10:11:41 AM PST by barj
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To: Bahbah
Have you noticed that there is a spellcheck feature. Good grief. How old are you?

C'mon. Some news is way too important to be delayed by spellchecking! </extremeSarcasm>

23 posted on 12/27/2005 10:11:54 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: njpa

I hated army basic training. I hated the drill instructors, the stress, the physical demands, and the nit picky stuff they made us do. Then I got to Vietnam and was grateful as can be for what I went through in basic.


24 posted on 12/27/2005 10:13:35 AM PST by Casloy
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To: njpa

In other news their uniform will be replaced with little pink fruffy skirts.


25 posted on 12/27/2005 10:14:00 AM PST by x5452
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To: ken5050
"Dec 9, 2005?" Possible stealth troll

Oh, I have no doubt about it, ken. It is DU spelling and grammer through and through.

26 posted on 12/27/2005 10:14:06 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: njpa

There was something called a 'blues' card for gals in the army. If they were not feeling up to par they could pull out the 'blues' card and skip PT.


27 posted on 12/27/2005 10:14:23 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: njpa

Gosh, there. I did a Google search for "stress card." Guess what? The Snopes page debunking this was the third hit on the first page.

I guess you didn't spell it right, so Google didn't find that for ya....

More care, please, in posting. There's so much information on Free Republic that it's already hard to get to it all. Misinformation caused by not bothering to search makes it all the harder.


28 posted on 12/27/2005 10:14:26 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: njpa

Yes it's true. A woman with whom I worked said her daughter was in boot camp they had stress cards. They also allow Marines to dress in PT outfits prior to PT instead of BDUs. Now, I like underarmour, but I doubt they make a combat line.


29 posted on 12/27/2005 10:14:52 AM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Bahbah

grammer=grammar. My apologies.


30 posted on 12/27/2005 10:14:53 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: njpa

Only a freakin troll or idiot would recycle a proven falsehood about the my USMC.

IBTZ!


31 posted on 12/27/2005 10:14:54 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: njpa

It didn't take long for your story to be thoroughly discredited. FR can be a brutal place to spread a false tale.


32 posted on 12/27/2005 10:15:12 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: cll
A way of signaling time out.

Time out?? Who the heck comes up with these ideas? They do 'time out' with kids now too. I remember what we got and it was not time out!

33 posted on 12/27/2005 10:15:45 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: retrokitten; aculeus; BlueLancer; Senator Bedfellow; Larry Lucido; Petronski; Tijeras_Slim; ...
This was my favorite... “Word spread via grape vine/his pears.”

R.I. Couple Finds Rare Pear in Clam

34 posted on 12/27/2005 10:15:45 AM PST by dighton
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To: cll

Whoever wrote that final explanation "The Ice Cream Soldier" gave a great explanation as to why this legend endures.


36 posted on 12/27/2005 10:17:16 AM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: njpa

In a related story: The military gives you two little 'metal' tags to wear around your neck. If you get killed, one stays with you and the other get processed.

The goal is to let the other guy die for his country instead of you for yours.


37 posted on 12/27/2005 10:19:21 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: njpa

This is false. Spell check once in a while, please.


38 posted on 12/27/2005 10:19:38 AM PST by andrew2527
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To: RetiredArmy

It's true. There are other changes not mentioned in the article.
Martha Stewart has been hired as a design consultant. She will give the barracks a design makeover to impart a homey, stress relieving atmosphere.
New Marines will also be able to bake cookies in the newly added barracks kitchen when done with a hard day of drilling.


39 posted on 12/27/2005 10:19:49 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: ladyjane

In my time (Ronald Reagan's Army) the ones that needed a time out were sent to the "Jerry's Kids" platoon as washouts. The Jerry's Kids Platoons were the injured, the sick, the whiners and the quiters.


40 posted on 12/27/2005 10:20:20 AM PST by cll (San Juan, PR, USA)
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To: Nachum

"Can you imagine the crap he would take from his fellow recruits for waving the card?"

Yep!


41 posted on 12/27/2005 10:22:51 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: HereInTheHeartland

That's not new. I heard the Air Force's barracks are built to Feng Shui specs.


42 posted on 12/27/2005 10:23:33 AM PST by cll (San Juan, PR, USA)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

"It's true. There are other changes not mentioned in the article.
Martha Stewart has been hired as a design consultant. She will give the barracks a design makeover to impart a homey, stress relieving atmosphere.
New Marines will also be able to bake cookies in the newly added barracks kitchen when done with a hard day of drilling."




Yeah, and I heard that the Army was issuing male skin care products to its boots. Nivea for Men was one of the brands, I think. This is absobloominglutely true, too. Don't look it up on Google. It's Top Secret, and Google doesn't have it yet.


43 posted on 12/27/2005 10:23:34 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: njpa

IBFTZ?


44 posted on 12/27/2005 10:24:17 AM PST by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: Perdogg

They do not. The person you work with misled you.


45 posted on 12/27/2005 10:24:32 AM PST by andrew2527
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To: njpa
I can not confirm this with any searching/Googling yet but...

Try harder next time.

46 posted on 12/27/2005 10:25:06 AM PST by TankerKC (Who will hold the NYT accountable for knowingly releasing classified info?)
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To: Hildy

Snopes.com is usually a good site.


47 posted on 12/27/2005 10:26:05 AM PST by cll (San Juan, PR, USA)
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To: njpa

Can't spell?

Don't post without using spellcheck feature.


48 posted on 12/27/2005 10:26:10 AM PST by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: peyton randolph

Hahaha... you owe me a keyboard!


49 posted on 12/27/2005 10:26:19 AM PST by Uddercha0s
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To: Casloy

"I hated army basic training. I hated the drill instructors, "

I too hated all of it. I once questioned my DI's parentage and he took me behind the barracks and beat the ship out of me. The next time that I got a smart thought in my mind, I kept it there. However, there is no one that I'd rather have in my foxhole than that DI.


50 posted on 12/27/2005 10:26:20 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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