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Eighth-Grader Helps Debunk Lindbergh Myth
WCCO NEWS ^ | 12-26-2005

Posted on 12/28/2005 9:01:54 AM PST by Cagey

AP) Little Falls, Minn. It has been reported many times that the residents of Little Falls were so angry with hometown hero Charles Lindbergh's comments that the U.S. should stay out of World War II that they painted over his name on the water tower.

The story was part of a PBS documentary about the famous pilot. It was reported in a Pulitzer Prize-winning biography released in 1999.

However, many experts doubt it happened. "I've heard the stories but I've never seen the documentation myself," said Marlene White, president of the Anoka-based Lindbergh Foundation.

There are some newspaper articles from the 1940s that back up that skepticism.

Two years ago, an eighth-grader in St. Paul researching an essay on Lindbergh found the articles from the Little Falls hometown newspapers from 1942 -- a year after Lindbergh made his famous comments during a speech in Des Moines, Iowa.

He was widely criticized for saying: "The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt administration."

However, the articles from the Little Falls newspapers report that the city still intended to paint Lindbergh's name to the water tower, but that city leaders were having some trouble finding a qualified painter.

"I just think it was a mistake. I don't think anybody made it up on purpose," said Ellen Rice, now a 15, of the water tower story.

One article mentions an unnamed Minneapolis reporter who acknowledged he wrote -- with little evidence -- that Lindbergh's name was removed from the tower because of the city's disdain.

Nonetheless, the story has been repeated for decades.

"It's sort of become legend," said Mary Warner, president of the Charles Weyerhaeuser History Museum in Little Falls, near the home where Lindbergh grew up. "We just keep trying to say, 'No, that's not what happened."'


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: bias; bigots; charleslindbergh; history; jewsbritishandfdr; justtellingtruth; lindbergh; littlefalls; makingitup; mediabias; msmbias; myth; pbsbias; politicalsmear; revisionisthistory; thebiglie; truthhurts; urbanlegend; zogbyism
Lindy Lucky, again.
1 posted on 12/28/2005 9:01:55 AM PST by Cagey
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To: Cagey

Bush created the Myth.....


2 posted on 12/28/2005 9:05:40 AM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: beyond the sea

He was proven wrong when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


3 posted on 12/28/2005 9:06:29 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Cagey

Once something enters "popular lore", good luck removing it - facts or not.


4 posted on 12/28/2005 9:06:42 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: Cagey

Ancestor's of Mary Mapes?........


5 posted on 12/28/2005 9:06:46 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: Cagey

Once again, an eighth-grade intelligence sees through the MSM.


6 posted on 12/28/2005 9:11:08 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: BenLurkin
He was proven wrong when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

The Germans!? Oh, nevermind - you're on a roll!
8 posted on 12/28/2005 9:16:51 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: SteveJudd

I think that is a pretty valid point.


9 posted on 12/28/2005 9:22:29 AM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Cagey

So Lindbergh is smarter than Pat Buchanan?


10 posted on 12/28/2005 9:23:19 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Cagey

Think Snopes will bother with this?


11 posted on 12/28/2005 9:25:18 AM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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To: BenLurkin

"He was proven wrong when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor."

Actually, according to current high school teachings, the Americans attacked the Japanese at Pearl.


12 posted on 12/28/2005 9:25:26 AM PST by lawdude (LIEberals/socialists make up facts and history as they go!)
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To: lawdude

To hear the left spin it today, Japan was justified in striking out at the Imperialist Americans.


13 posted on 12/28/2005 9:27:43 AM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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To: weegee
In 1942, Al Gore hadn't invented Snopes yet.
14 posted on 12/28/2005 9:32:19 AM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: weegee; lawdude
Who are they kidding? Making excuse for the Tojo and his brutal henchman? Japan had been expanding it GENUINE Empire since the late 1900s -- starting with the conquest of Korea.
15 posted on 12/28/2005 9:33:36 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Cagey
Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh were two of the most notable members of the America First Movement which was vehemently opposed to becoming involved in the War in Europe.

Dec 8, 1941 and these two men would change their minds. Ford called Roosevelt and offered all he had to support the war effort. The River Rouge plant would be converted from automobile to tanks, aircraft, and other war materiel production.

Charles Lindbergh would have his Air Force Rank reinstated and would go to the Pacific theater where he trained aviators in fuel management for long overwater sortees. He trained the squadron who flew the Yamamoto mission and I had the good fortune to meet one of those aviators. Lindbergh flew combat missions but was never credited with the kills because he wasn't supposed to do dat!!!

16 posted on 12/28/2005 9:35:01 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: Cagey
Ellen Rice, now a 15

Must be gorgeous.

17 posted on 12/28/2005 9:38:48 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Red Badger; Cagey
Quote Of The Year

Reporter Brian Ross: "Mary Mapes was the woman behind the scenes, the producer who researched, wrote and put together Dan Rather’s 60 Minutes report on President Bush’s National Guard service, a report which Rather and CBS would later apologize for airing...."

Ross to Mapes: "Do you still think that story was true?

"Ex-CBS producer Mary Mapes: "The story? Absolutely."

Ross: "This seems remarkable to me that you would sit here now and say you still find that story to be up to your standards."

Mapes: "I’m perfectly willing to believe those documents are forgeries if there’s proof that I haven’t seen."

Ross: "But isn’t it the other way around? Don’t you have to prove they’re authentic?"

Mapes: "Well, I think that’s what critics of the story would say. I know more now than I did then and I think, I think they have not been proved to be false, yet."

Ross: "Have they proved to be authentic though? Isn’t that really what journalists do?"

Mapes: "No, I don’t think that’s the standard." — ABC’s Good Morning America, November 9.

********

Mary Mapes --- what a GAPING *SSHOLE!

18 posted on 12/28/2005 9:41:11 AM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: weegee

Japan struck us because they were afraid we would use a weapon of mass destruction on them.


19 posted on 12/28/2005 9:43:39 AM PST by notigar
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To: Young Werther
He trained the squadron who flew the Yamamoto mission and I had the good fortune to meet one of those aviators.

I never knew that. I wonder if Doolittle ever thought about seeking his advice in fuel management.

20 posted on 12/28/2005 9:46:08 AM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: beyond the sea

LOL!
Fox News...We report...You decide
CBS News...We report...You prove that we're right.


21 posted on 12/28/2005 9:46:29 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd
CBS News...We report...You prove that we're right.

ROFL

22 posted on 12/28/2005 9:47:50 AM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: BenLurkin

"when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor."

Check your history book. You are off by a continent.


23 posted on 12/28/2005 9:52:32 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: Young Werther
Charles Lindbergh would have his Air Force Rank reinstated...

He didn't have his rank instated. Rousevelt was very vindictive and refused to let him back in the Army Air Force. He went to work for Henry Ford for the B24s that were built by Ford.

He later went to work for Consolidated Aircraft as a test pilot and consultant for the F4U Corsair fighter.

He went to the South Pacific as a civilian factory rep. He was flying missions as a factory rep and General MacArthur had him go to the Marine and Army Air force units to train pilots for better fuel management. That made the Yammamoto mission possible.

He flew many bombing missions on the Japanese held islands. He shot down one Japanese Zero. Mostly he helped develop and mount bomb racks on fighters. That is why they didn't use B17s in the Pacific.

My wife got me a book of his war time journal. Very interesting reading.

24 posted on 12/28/2005 9:54:39 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: B4Ranch; BenLurkin
Are you saying it wasn't carrier based Messerschmidts that hit Pearl?
25 posted on 12/28/2005 9:55:21 AM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: Young Werther
Chance Encounter with the Lone Eagle

A Marine pilot works closely with Lindbergh on bomb-carrying Corsairs
By Col. Fran Clark, USMC (Ret.)

Above: May 1944: before he went to check out Fran Clark’s outfit, Charles Lindbergh (second from left) flew Corsairs off Emirau Island.
(Photo courtesy of Pat Ranfranz.)

Above: While on Emirau Island, Lindbergh corrected certain F4U problems and established better communications between the Marine Corps and the United Aircraft Co. From here, he flew his first combat missions with the Corps.
(Photo courtesy of Pat Ranfranz.)

Above: Flying a Corsair, Lindbergh takes off from Roi Namur Island with a 1,000-pound bomb between the two fuel tanks.
(Photo by Capt. W.E. Scarborough USN [Ret.] courtesy of John Underwood.)

27 posted on 12/28/2005 10:00:57 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: notigar

No, they struck us because we cut off their oil supply.


28 posted on 12/28/2005 10:01:04 AM PST by LEPEN
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To: LEPEN
No, they struck us because we cut off their oil supply.

Which we did in response to Japan's refusal to obey League of Nations directives to cease their war of aggression in China.

29 posted on 12/28/2005 10:05:14 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: B4Ranch; BenLurkin
Check your history book. You are off by a continent.

Arcane reference to movie humor that some of us thought
insanely funny in a low key sort of way.

30 posted on 12/28/2005 10:06:53 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: BenLurkin
"He was proven wrong when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor."

I know the Japanese history revisionists are hard at work, but this is too much. LOL.
31 posted on 12/28/2005 10:08:08 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: B4Ranch; reagan_fanatic
like reagan_fanatic for example.
32 posted on 12/28/2005 10:08:28 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: beyond the sea

Without the HAND signed HAND typed letter, all she has is a faxed forgery.


33 posted on 12/28/2005 10:08:42 AM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; SteveJudd; Young Werther
Interesting information, A.A.. Thanks.

The following link contains some good information on John Mitchell's "Yamamoto Mission". It also contains a list of the 18 Pilots on the flight team.

http://www.acepilots.com/usaaf_mitchell.html
34 posted on 12/28/2005 10:11:44 AM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: Cagey

Navy Type 97 Carrier Attack Planes "Kates" made up the majority if I recall correctly. There was some midget submarines that made it to the harbor too.


35 posted on 12/28/2005 10:19:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: higgmeister

Okay, I see where you're coming from now.


36 posted on 12/28/2005 10:20:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; nutmeg
Flying a Corsair...

Yay! Vought-Sikorsky and Chance Vought Aircraft! Stratford and Bridgeport Connecticut! Yay! (click the pic)

Nutmeg: local-and-proud semi-ping. :D

37 posted on 12/28/2005 10:29:54 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: bobbdobbs

Maybe you need to be put on "Double Secret Probation".


39 posted on 12/28/2005 10:36:59 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: B4Ranch; BenLurkin
"when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor."

Check your history book. You are off by a continent.

"Forget it, he's on a roll!"

40 posted on 12/28/2005 10:37:26 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: LEPEN

Well, go ahead and blame the US for that one! Is it LePen, like the Frenchie? Or like "the pen"?


41 posted on 12/28/2005 10:54:54 AM PST by notigar
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To: Cagey
Lindbergh Trivia.

What is the connection between Lindy and the Apollo Program?

42 posted on 12/28/2005 11:00:25 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: bobbdobbs

Missed it. That's not my type of movie.


44 posted on 12/28/2005 11:28:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: notigar

Hey bro, I wasn't blaming the U.S. I wasn't criticizing cutting of the oil. I was stating the reason. It's Le Pen, the Frenchman.


46 posted on 12/28/2005 5:57:54 PM PST by LEPEN
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To: LEPEN

It was a joke.


47 posted on 12/28/2005 6:44:35 PM PST by notigar
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To: beyond the sea
Bush created the Myth.....

Obviously true.

The part I don't understand is: why would Karl Rove have him do that?

48 posted on 12/28/2005 6:46:39 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski
The part I don't understand is: why would Karl Rove have him do that?

Aha. Karl is a devious little fellow. He came up "in the minors" 35 years ago under the loving tutelage of the clandestine and squirrely, Donald Segretti (I still remember his little black VW bug with all the McDonalds wrappers all over the place). Karl learned under the best, and this "Lindbergh Myth" farce was a pretty good effort.

But the following one that fooled all of the MSM, had them running around all crazed, was right up there as one of Karl's best.

*****

http://www.thespeciousreport.com/2005/05050202actionfigure.html

World Shocked by Action Figure (Cody) Abduction in Iraq

49 posted on 12/28/2005 7:25:02 PM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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