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Pakistan man murders daughters to save family honor
Associated Press ^ | December 28, 2005 | Khalid Tanveer

Posted on 12/28/2005 4:13:18 PM PST by servantgirl_america

Pakistani Killed Daughters to Save 'Honor' By KHALID TANVEER (Associated Press Writer) From Associated Press December 28, 2005 5:37 PM EST MULTAN, Pakistan - Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to salvage his family's "honor" - a crime that shocked Pakistan.

The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret - that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged lover too.

Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.

The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.

Ahmed's killing spree - witnessed by his wife Rehmat Bibi as she cradled their 3 month-old baby son - happened Friday night at their home in the cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern Punjab province.

It is the latest of more than 260 such honor killings documented by the rights commission, mostly from media reports, during the first 11 months of 2005.

Bibi recounted how she was woken by a shriek as Ahmed put his hand to the mouth of his stepdaughter Muqadas and cut her throat with a machete. Bibi looked helplessly on from the corner of the room as he then killed the three girls - Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4 - pausing between the slayings to brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, warning her not to intervene or raise alarm.

"I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters," Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. "I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill you.'"

"The whole night the bodies of my daughters lay in front of me," she said.

The next morning, Ahmed was arrested.

Speaking to AP in the back of police pickup truck late Tuesday as he was shifted to a prison in the city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition. Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he killed Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn't want them to do the same when they grew up.

He said he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings.

"I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done, so they should be eliminated," he said, his hands cuffed, his face unshaven. "We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but our honor."

Despite Ahmed's contention that Muqadas had committed adultery - a claim made by her husband - the rights commission reported that according to local people, Muqadas had fled her husband because he had abused her and forced her to work in a brick-making factory.

Police have said they do not know the identity or whereabouts of Muqadas' alleged lover.

Muqadas was Bibi's daughter by her first marriage to Ahmed's brother, who died 14 years ago. Ahmed married his brother's widow, as is customary under Islamic tradition.

"Women are treated as property and those committing crimes against them do not get punished," said the rights commission's director, Kamla Hyat. "The steps taken by our government have made no real difference."

Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a self-styled moderate Muslim, of reluctance to reform outdated Islamized laws that make it difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid attacks and other cases of violence against women. They say police are often reluctant to prosecute, regarding such crimes as family disputes.

Statistics on honor killings are confused and imprecise, but figures from the rights commission's Web site and its officials show a marked reduction in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months of 2005, compared with 579 during all of 2004. The Ministry of Women's Development said it had no reliable figures.

Ijaz Elahi, the ministry's joint secretary, said the violence was decreasing and that increasing numbers of victims were reporting incidents to police or the media. Laws, including one passed last year to beef up penalties for honor killings, had been toughened, she said.

Police in Multan said they would complete their investigation into Ahmed's case in the next two weeks and that he faces the death sentence if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood.

Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was unrepentant.

"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the three other girls," he said. "I wish that I get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on fire."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barbarian; children; crime; dishonor; honor; honorkilling; humanrights; islam; murder; muslimwomen; pakistan; terrorism
Someone tell me that this is a result of a mental illness and not the act of a sane human being. This man murdered his niece and his own 3 daughters. Are females of so little value in Pakistan?
1 posted on 12/28/2005 4:13:21 PM PST by servantgirl_america
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To: servantgirl_america

They're of little value to muslims no matter the location. Heck, human life is of little value to them at all.


2 posted on 12/28/2005 4:16:38 PM PST by kenth (Merry Christmas!)
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To: servantgirl_america
He said he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings.

It isn't mental illness. He knew what he was doing. It is pure evil, straight from Satan and hell.

3 posted on 12/28/2005 4:16:44 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: servantgirl_america
"Someone tell me that this is a result of a mental illness and not the act of a sane human being."

Islam, like liberalism, is a learned mental disease.

4 posted on 12/28/2005 4:18:06 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: servantgirl_america
The POS ought to be hanged high until the buzzards pick his bones clean. Killing a woman for alleged adultery is sick enough, but killing little girls 8, 7, and 4 because they might do the same deserves a spot in the hottest place in hades for this sicko.

Maybe every Muslim male should be killed because they might grow up to be a bloodthirsty sicko like this!

6 posted on 12/28/2005 4:21:09 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: servantgirl_america

Muslim females are of little value in many countries, not just in Pakistan. There are quite a few threads here on FR about crimes committed against females by their male family members in European and Scandinavian countries.


7 posted on 12/28/2005 4:22:02 PM PST by Alice au Wonderland (I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you.)
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To: servantgirl_america
Someone tell me that this is a result of a mental illness

"he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house"

Sorry, his act was pre-meditated and no doubt koran inspired.

8 posted on 12/28/2005 4:22:58 PM PST by quantim (The Senate proves itself daily as the flagrant flaw in the Constitution.)
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To: Alice au Wonderland

Don't forget the rapes in Australia.


9 posted on 12/28/2005 4:24:12 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

I was under the impression that those crimes had been committed by muslim men on non-muslim women. Am I in error?


10 posted on 12/28/2005 4:25:24 PM PST by Alice au Wonderland (I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you.)
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To: servantgirl_america

The problem is that Islam accepts this as normal behavior and refuses to acknowledge that they have nutjobs in the "flock".

Of course, Islam also encourages this despicable behavior.

As long as I live I will NEVER understand parents who murder their children to preserve their honor . . . . . . . . and I don't want to try to understand them!!


11 posted on 12/28/2005 4:26:24 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: servantgirl_america
Until Pakistan institutes a punishment so cruel and unusual that it would 'shame' these morons more to undergo it than they think their women might, they won't stop.

They could give everyone convicted a sex change and sell them to whorehouses somewhere they didn't speak the language ....
but it would be wrong.

So9

12 posted on 12/28/2005 4:26:29 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Alice au Wonderland

You are not in error; the motivation was strikingly similar to the one here. One sec, I'll run a search.


13 posted on 12/28/2005 4:27:01 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Alice au Wonderland
Here it is.
14 posted on 12/28/2005 4:27:50 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Servant of the 9
They could give everyone convicted a sex change and sell them to whorehouses somewhere they didn't speak the language ....

They could force-feed them pork and then kill them before they have time to repent.

15 posted on 12/28/2005 4:28:54 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: servantgirl_america

its' the result of people perverting religion...it happens all the time.

In African countires sex is only suppose to be pleasurable for men and not for women- so they slice off a women's clitoris and sew her up tighter...

This animal should have his genitals sliced off rather then be put to death...hopefully, as he burns in hell in the afterlife he'll get a glimpse of the innocent young girls he murdered resting peacefully in the lap of God!


16 posted on 12/28/2005 4:31:00 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: servantgirl_america

Can somebody please explain to me exactly *what* is "honorable" about killing unarmed and defenseless women and children in cold blood?

I know of no Code of Honor that would sanction that.

It is cowardice, the same sort of cowardice that takes hostages, dispatches Homicide Bombers into areas heavily-populated by civilians, and drives hijacked planes into the sides of buildings. And it is Evil.

That is the nature of the enemy.


17 posted on 12/28/2005 4:31:11 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: servantgirl_america

Another Religion of Satan alert!


18 posted on 12/28/2005 4:31:53 PM PST by Lucky2 (Yankees all the way in 2006)
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To: servantgirl_america
....a crime that shocked Pakistan.... bullsh!t...there was no "shock" in Pakistan. This kind of thing is expected by the lunitic "clerics".

Islam is terminal....

you will be muslum or we will kill you...it is promised by ben laden.

19 posted on 12/28/2005 4:36:49 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: servantgirl_america

Contemplate a society that contains large numbers of people who agree with this man that upholding his "family honor" required him to slice the throats of four young women, three of them his own daughters. The sickness of such a society seems to me irremediable.


20 posted on 12/28/2005 4:36:53 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: servantgirl_america
He said he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the (three) killings. "I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done, so they should be eliminated," he said,...

I keep thinking we've heard just about all the Muslim horror stories possible. Then, we get another one like this one and realize once again just how deep that well goes.

21 posted on 12/28/2005 4:38:58 PM PST by Gritty ("Americans cannot escape the final showdown with Islam" - Barbara Stock)
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To: servantgirl_america

What honor?


22 posted on 12/28/2005 4:42:23 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (We're just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Thanks.


23 posted on 12/28/2005 4:44:59 PM PST by Alice au Wonderland (I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you.)
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To: servantgirl_america

I would savor the honor of killing this bastard with my bare hands.


24 posted on 12/28/2005 4:45:54 PM PST by steel_resolve (Hell - the absence of GOD. Hell on Earth - The Absence of America.)
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To: SkyPilot

Kill HIM and wrap him in a rotting pig's carcass.


25 posted on 12/28/2005 4:49:39 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: servantgirl_america
"I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters," Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. "I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill you.'"

Ahmed married his brother's widow, as is customary under Islamic tradition.

Imagine being forced to "marry" this maniac. As a woman I would slit my _own_ throat---and a few other things--- before consenting to live under such a system. This woman could use a few tips from Lorena Bobbit.

26 posted on 12/28/2005 4:50:13 PM PST by Innisfree
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To: servantgirl_america

This madness takes place in the USA and is perpetrated by Muslims here.

Muslim females are just as vulnerable here as anywhere. The cause lies with the ideology of islam nowhere else.


27 posted on 12/28/2005 4:54:27 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: servantgirl_america

sorry to say, I haven't yet met a sane Pakistani. And I have met quite a few


28 posted on 12/28/2005 4:59:15 PM PST by Smarti Pants (This American Patriot will never forget !!! Give me Liberty or Give Me Death!)
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To: steel_resolve

Good thing he is in Pakistan - he might actually get the death penalty (though more likely a commendation).

What would happen here? He would be tried, convicted and shipped to San Quentin to sleep in Tookie's old cell for 25 years. The ACLU and their bretheren would rally behind him, blaming his culture, explaining that what he did was not really a crime, he is really a good person with strong family values. Eventually he would be executed, but not before meeting with Jesse Jackson...


29 posted on 12/28/2005 5:07:56 PM PST by KingofZion
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To: servantgirl_america
Note that he didn't kill his son..

If anything happened to that boy, he would be in total despair, unconsolable..

30 posted on 12/28/2005 5:15:23 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: SkyPilot

Islam is a mental illness.


31 posted on 12/28/2005 5:25:49 PM PST by conservative physics
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To: servantgirl_america

"Someone tell me that this is a result of a mental illness and not the act of a sane human being."

It is, it definately is the act of an insane person.

But, what Islam must ask itself is: is it a religion, or a mania.

My daughter and her room-mate both came back from their first semester "on their own" sick as dogs. Tonight my kid talks to the friend and tells me "A.'s mom is a big hippie, so she doesn't want A. to go back to school/work until she's 100% better".

I said to her "Well I'm a vast right-wing conspirator and I don't want YOU to go back to school/work until you're 100% better, so I don't think politics has anything to do with this, just mommy-hood"

So, I was thinking about that later, and I remembered that some (many?) Muslim mommys actually want their children to die, killing other people's children.

So, this is when I want to say: maybe Ann Coulter really was right.


32 posted on 12/28/2005 5:35:59 PM PST by jocon307 (Still mourning the loss of CBS FM)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

That is the nature of Satan. He does what is in his heart (murder) and speaks his native language: the lie.


33 posted on 12/28/2005 6:08:23 PM PST by langleyaction
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To: servantgirl_america

He was just doing his part to restock heaven with fresh virgins, remember they use up 72 of them each time one of them blows themselves up.


34 posted on 12/28/2005 6:20:39 PM PST by f zero
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To: God luvs America

It's not a pervertion of Islam.
Peace is a perverted version of Islam.


35 posted on 12/29/2005 2:13:04 AM PST by ConservativeChinese (Seperation between the Mosque and State! Public institutions should not favor Islam!)
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To: conservative physics

It's not a mental illness. It is pure evil.
This man knew from the beginning what he was doing. It's the result of pure evil.


36 posted on 12/29/2005 2:13:52 AM PST by ConservativeChinese (Seperation between the Mosque and State! Public institutions should not favor Islam!)
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To: servantgirl_america

Not a mental sickness but a cultural sickness.

Truly mind boggling as it is, in Pakistan, cultural conditioning seems to permit a view that filicide by throat slitting is “honourable” but adultery and the possibility of adultery in the future by a woman is “dishonourable” (Note the male child was unharmed) .

That Pakistani cultural conditioning permits a matter of fact comment like this by the filicide :

Quote:
"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the three other girls,"
Unquote

The story of a Pakistani gang rapist claiming that his culture made him rape, posted here on FR, adds more yet more that these crimes against women have less to with mental sickness than a cultural sickness :


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1537421/posts


37 posted on 12/29/2005 5:19:50 AM PST by Qaz_W
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To: servantgirl_america
after midday prayers on Friday

Boy, must have been quite a 'prayer' that day.

To all in Islam: Jesus Christ has already paid your sin bill, once and forever. You need not be constantly trying to measure up to God. He has forgiven you. He invites you, freely, and without hesitation, to belief in Him (John 14:6). It is by Grace, a Free Gift, that you are Saved (Ephesians 2:8-9). It is the same way we have all been forgiven, but you must receive it and believe that He is the Son of God (Romans 10:9-10).
38 posted on 12/29/2005 10:25:14 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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