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Mexico’s Coming Collapse
The National Anxiety Center ^ | June 2005 | By Alan Caruba

Posted on 12/29/2005 5:42:21 AM PST by Nasty McPhilthy

I received an email recently from a 55-year-old, unemployed American who had been to 14 States looking for work. He couldn’t find any, he said, because "I am not a Mexican."

Despite a desire to work, he could not compete with the cheap wages Mexican illegals will take. They do so because wages in Mexico continue to leave a vast portion of that nation’s population in poverty, forced to live on $3 to $4 dollars per person a day.

According to data from the CIA, 40% of the Mexican population lives below the poverty line. The current population is estimated to be 106,202,900 people and the labor force is estimated to be 34.73 million. Despite being rich in natural resources, the Mexican economy is highly dependent on the US economy. We buy 84% of all Mexican exports, compared to Canada that buys a mere 1.8%. "Per capita income is one-fourth that of the US; income distribution remains highly unequal." That’s a diplomatic way of saying a handful of Mexican elites own most of everything.

There are a lot of reasons advanced to explain why the Bush administration will do nothing to stop the flow of illegals across our southern border, the vast bulk of whom are Mexicans, but the one I had not heard until I received the email was that Mexico would collapse without the money sent back by the Mexicans, legal and illegal, among us. When you look at the economic data, it is the one explanation that begins to make sense.

Ignoring the financial and social impact that millions of illegal Mexican workers are having on America may well be the US government’s way of avoiding a tsunami of even more Mexicans crossing over in the wake of an economic disaster, the collapse of the Mexican economy.

The most dramatic change that the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement has had is the way it has emptied out whole sections of Mexico as its former citizens head north. People don’t do this because they have a choice. Mexico is not creating new jobs. It is, instead, sending its people here to take over all kinds of jobs that unemployed Americans no longer can get.

The World Bank confirms the CIA data that nearly half of the Mexican population is just as poor today as they were in the 1960s. That’s not slow growth. That’s no growth.

According to Bloomberg.com, "Mexico’s economy grew at the slowest pace in a year in the first quarter as US demand for the nation’s autos, textiles, and appliances declined."

Surpassing oil and tourism, the estimated $20 billion in US dollars that Mexicans sent home last year is the mainstay of Mexico’s economy. When your main export is your citizens, your nation is in big trouble.

Moreover, Mexico has found a new competitor when it comes to exports. China has surpassed our southern neighbor as the top supplier to the US of a vast array of assembled goods, as well as textiles, office computers, metal parts, and prefabricated construction parts.

Mexico’s problems have become America’s problems despite all the hoopla about NAFTA. The failure to stem illegal immigration and all the problems that go with it will become a major political issue in the 2006 elections and beyond. It simply cannot be ignored, though the Bush administration is doing its best to do just that.

My correspondent is probably just one of thousands of able-bodied Americans who cannot get work because illegal Mexicans will take any job available, but even worse news for Americans is the growing trend of out-sourcing white-collar jobs. Though it is hard to determine due to reporting procedures, there is no debate regarding the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs that will leave many Americans unemployed in the years directly ahead as their jobs migrate to India, China and other nations.

So while the potential of economic collapse of Mexico looms to the south of us, internally jobs are disappearing into cybersphere as workers in developing nations, receiving far less than American workers, are the beneficiaries of the way technology speeds aspects of globalization. Here again, the US government is taking no steps to address this looming crisis. If the US economy begins to falter, Mexico’s will tank.

Is anyone paying any attention to this? Well, I am and so is my out-of-work correspondent. Maybe you should, too?

Alan Caruba writes a weekly column, "Warning Signs", posted on the Internet site of The National Anxiety Center, www.anxietycenter.com.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; bombthemtodust; caruba; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 12/29/2005 5:42:22 AM PST by Nasty McPhilthy
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Mexico: Our 51st State..........


2 posted on 12/29/2005 5:44:23 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

I thought Mexico's economy was crashed in the first place.


3 posted on 12/29/2005 5:45:34 AM PST by Wiz
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

>>When your main export is your citizens, your nation is in big trouble.<<

We will be expected to be the compassionate nation who will feed, cloth, educate and medicate our neighbor to the South.


4 posted on 12/29/2005 5:47:08 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
...from a 55-year-old, unemployed American who had been to 14 States looking for work.

B.S. - With 5% unemployment, those that want to work, can work!

Which Black Spokesperson proclaimed blacks wouldn't take or want menial jobs like those the 'immigrants' are taking?

5 posted on 12/29/2005 5:47:21 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
Which Black Spokesperson proclaimed blacks wouldn't take or want menial jobs like those the 'immigrants' are taking?

Sharpton.... I think.

6 posted on 12/29/2005 5:48:24 AM PST by kjam22
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To: TexasCajun

Jessie Jackson was the one who said we couldn't expect young blacks to work for McDonalds and earn minimum wage when they can sell drugs and make $$$$$$.


7 posted on 12/29/2005 5:49:12 AM PST by kjam22
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To: Red Badger

Lets just trade for Massachutaxitis


8 posted on 12/29/2005 5:49:37 AM PST by right right
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Some competent leadership in Mexico is needed.

A Mexican version of Ronald Reagan.

9 posted on 12/29/2005 5:49:46 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (expell the fat arrogant carcasses of Congress)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
I received an email recently from a 55-year-old, unemployed American who had been to 14 States looking for work.

Well at least he's had a tour of a great country.

He couldn’t find any, he said, because "I am not a Mexican." Despite a desire to work, he could not compete with the cheap wages Mexican illegals will take.

I guess that's because as Vincentee would say, Mexicans will take jobs that "even blacks" won't take.

Usually you can tell very early in an article if it's bogus or not and I would say that this one only took two sentences to ring the bell on the Bogus Meter.

11 posted on 12/29/2005 5:51:21 AM PST by evad
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To: Red Badger
"' internally jobs are disappearing into cybersphere as workers in developing nations, receiving far less than American workers, are the beneficiaries of the way technology speeds aspects of globalization. Here again, the US government is taking no steps to address this looming crisis. "".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>............
Pure BS our government is taking steps to INCREASE the Globalization (nafta, cafta) the plan is plain to anyone who looks at the facts: Our Government means to internationalize our laws and form a EU type government with Canada and Mexico..we have lost the right to property (KELO) and have no borders with our mexican and canandian partners..the fall of the Nation called America is very very near..the rule of un elected elites looms larger and larger.
12 posted on 12/29/2005 5:52:22 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Their economy collapsed 40+ years ago and illegal immigration is the only thing that has prevented a violent revolution from occurring. The PRI is just another corrupt quasi-communist political party that stripped their nation's wealth to line their own pockets. They allowed the election of Fox as President just to keep the rightists from defecting from the ruling class. PRI still controls everything.


13 posted on 12/29/2005 5:53:00 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: right right

hmmm.......tempting...........Throw in the rest of New England and we'll talk.......


14 posted on 12/29/2005 5:53:59 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: evad
received an email recently from a 55-year-old, unemployed American who had been to 14 States looking for work.

Usually you can tell very early in an article if it's bogus or not and I would say that this one only took two sentences to ring the bell on the Bogus Meter.

:) You think he sent the email by hiting a wireless router with his laptop while holding a "Will Work For Food" sign at the street corner?

15 posted on 12/29/2005 5:54:17 AM PST by kjam22
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

The alternative to the wholesale exodus from Mexico is the US simiply taking it over. Naturally, Mexican bureaucrats prefer calling this 'the US integrating with Mexico'. No wonder they're screaming in terror at the notion of a seven hundred mile fence. Somebody in the admin. had better tell US citizens exactly what's going on and the alternatives to a fence or no fence. It's a shame when we have to find out we're being invaded from Lou Dobbs, Fox or the newspaper. What the heck. The rest of the southern hemisphere's headed north.


16 posted on 12/29/2005 5:54:45 AM PST by hershey
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To: azhenfud

ping


17 posted on 12/29/2005 5:54:48 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Here again, the US government is taking no steps to address this looming crisis.

"address" it???

Hell!

They CAUSED it!

18 posted on 12/29/2005 6:00:08 AM PST by MamaTexan ('Free trade' is a catchphrase for two types of people - - business and government)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
The National Anxiety Center

That's what we call my mother-in-law's kitchen.

19 posted on 12/29/2005 6:01:26 AM PST by greedo
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To: Red Badger

Nah. It would be more like our 51-62 states. Mexico is composed of multiple states, at least one of which was in open rebellion not to long ago.

Annexing Mexico would be a VERY bad thing.

It would be much better to build a wall, complete with mine fields and machine guns - sort of an inverse Berlin Wall.


20 posted on 12/29/2005 6:02:06 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: TexasCajun

"With 5% unemployment"

Are they still skewing that statistic by excluding people who have given up looking for work?


21 posted on 12/29/2005 6:05:53 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Utterly incoherent. Assuming his correspondent's claim of being unable to get work is accurate, it is not because he is not Mexican.

It is because he demands wages higher than the market is paying for the services he is able to provide. If Mexicans are being hired for these jobs, it is because they will work for less, not because they are Mexicans.

It irritates me when people say they cannot find work, when what they really mean is they cannot find work they would like to do at a wage they would like to get. Two very different things. I've done some very unpleasant work for poor pay when necessary, but I've never been unemployed.


22 posted on 12/29/2005 6:06:25 AM PST by Restorer
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

"A Mexican version of Ronald Reagan."

It's kind of a quandary. They need someone like Reagan, but nobody like Reagan would take the draconian, extralegal, blood-soaked measures that would be needed to root out corruption.


23 posted on 12/29/2005 6:07:59 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

ping


24 posted on 12/29/2005 6:08:43 AM PST by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Trade California for Mexico and you got a deal. Half the population of Mexico is already there and we can drill in Mexico.


25 posted on 12/29/2005 6:09:30 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Restorer

Well said!


26 posted on 12/29/2005 6:12:46 AM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
We buy 84% of all Mexican exports........no "we" don't. The criminal illegal mexicans buy the mexican exports. They want to feel real comfortable, don't you know, so they buy the junk that they are used to.
27 posted on 12/29/2005 6:14:21 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: dsc
Are they still skewing that statistic by excluding people who have given up looking for work?

Since they've been doing this all along, I fail to see how it "skews" the data from one period to another. Since there is no way to actually compile data on this, it would inevitably be an estimate and highly prone to distortion in the political interest of whoever makes the estimate.

28 posted on 12/29/2005 6:15:59 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Looking at the Latin countries with few exceptions none have changed a bit since the 60's. They've tried Socialism, Communism, Democracy and anything else you might think of, but what never changes is the demographics. Most of the countries were colonies of Spain so they were left with a class system unable to compete in the world market.

I believe it will be easier to change Iraq than it is to change Mexico.
29 posted on 12/29/2005 6:18:51 AM PST by Recon Dad (Proud Marine Dad)
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To: Red Badger
Mexico: Our 51st State..........

No way! We don't need another rathole to pour our tax dollars down!

30 posted on 12/29/2005 6:19:14 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: TexasCajun

"B.S. - With 5% unemployment, those that want to work, can work!"

Only if they will take the job for cash, off the books. If not the illegal gets the job.


31 posted on 12/29/2005 6:20:20 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

They won't notice.


32 posted on 12/29/2005 6:21:11 AM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: Red Badger

"Mexico: Our 51st State.........."

Only if it doesn't include the population.


33 posted on 12/29/2005 6:21:47 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
The Bush wannabe capitalists will be here to poo poo all of this.

These are the very same people that would be content to see the lower working class of Americans descend into abject poverty, to match the millions south of the border.

Slowly but surely this descent will destroy the American middle class.

34 posted on 12/29/2005 6:22:11 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
First of all, I'd like to see the name of the person who went through 14 states and couldn't find work. Not a single Walmart was hiring in 14 states?? (It may not be a good job ...but it IS a job).

Second, I really don't think people coming here from Mexico is the problem. People have always come from other places to be here, we just need to make sure they are the 'right' people from Mexico. In order to do that we need to start to provide the right kind of incentives...the following would be a start:

1. Deport all illegals...no amnesty, no grace period.... bye...see ya.

2. No birthright citizenship for children of illegals.

3. No social services of any kind (even medical) for any illegals.

4. Eliminate the minimum wage, and eliminate the 'excuse' for hiring illegals.

5. Prosecute and convict anyone who hires an illegal alien.

6. Make 'basic English' a requirement for anyone here for three years. If you don't pass the test.....bye...see ya.

7. You pay taxes to work in the US from the moment you get here, but don't get a single dime in social services until you have become a citizen of the US. No unemployment, no social security, no medical, no nothing.

People who have been willing to obey the laws, take care of themselves and their families, and assimilate into society have always been welcome here and that shouldn't change because they are from Mexico. We just need to bring Mexicans here who meet those criteria. If they do, throw open the borders and multiply the quota by 100 if you like. We'll only be getting the people we want here in the first place.

35 posted on 12/29/2005 6:24:16 AM PST by tcostell
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To: kjam22

"Jessie Jackson was the one who said we couldn't expect young blacks to work for McDonalds and earn minimum wage when they can sell drugs and make $$$$$$."

Well the answer here is obvious. McDonalds should start paying people $100,000 per week.



36 posted on 12/29/2005 6:24:18 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

"Mexican illegals will take. They do so because wages in Mexico continue to leave a vast portion of that nation’s population in poverty, forced to live on $3 to $4 dollars per person a day"…. while “a handful of Mexican elites own most of everything.”

Here the author says Mexican culture as it exists today is nothing more than slaves and elites, becuase the vast population is being "forced" to live at poverty levels. In the meantime freemen, US citizen workers, have more and more problems finding work in the US, because no business is going to survive if they have to “pay” for their labor when their competitors can get it free.

Capitalism has a limit, and stops at slavery. Also, capitalism cannot exist without law and order. Our politicians are selling out capitalism and democracy by allowing this modern day slavery to creep back into our society against the will of the majority of the populace, by taking support from special interest modern day plantation owners, thus refusing to enforce existing labor laws and visa laws which have been established for the protection of capitalism.

So while this author seems to paint a dooms day picture that we need to allow the invasion to continue or else face a collapse of a country (which is already collapsed) , the other extreme is we turn our noses to this type of corruption and we return to a pre- civil war nation where human rights and the dignity of souls do not exist.

On the contrary, if we open our boarders and annex the slave peasant way of life of Mexico, and do not enforce law and order, as the status quo is heading today, we open ourselves to the collapse of our capitalistic democracy, and as a result there are plenty of enemy forms of governments just lurking to fill the void.

This country lost more of its citizens fighting the civil war than any other, and the 14th amendment was supposed to end slavery. How quickly we forget history and turn our backs on our own fallen solders who gave their life’s for this great capitalistic democracy.


37 posted on 12/29/2005 6:27:23 AM PST by seastay
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To: dsc

"With 5% unemployment"

Are they still skewing that statistic by excluding people who have given up looking for work?""

The statistic is consistent with the formula used 60 years ago.

If you change the formula, then comparisons cannot be formed against prior numbers.

If you want to include "the people who have given up looking for work", may I insist that you include ALL the welfare recipients of every kind into that number????
They aren't "looking for work" either......


38 posted on 12/29/2005 6:30:22 AM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Little Ray

It would be our 51st through 82nd IIRC. I think Mexico has 31 states.


39 posted on 12/29/2005 6:31:01 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: RockinRight
That would be correct.

31, plus Mexico City (D.F.).

40 posted on 12/29/2005 6:42:10 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Mexico is THE most parasitic country in the world.


41 posted on 12/29/2005 6:43:14 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

We're gonna need a bigger wall.


42 posted on 12/29/2005 6:51:40 AM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: kjam22
:) You think he sent the email by hiting a wireless router with his laptop while holding a "Will Work For Food" sign at the street corner?

LOL..
I'm trying to picture this 55 year old loser touring the countryside looking for honest work in his Mercedes with a "Will Work for 100 Grand" sign on the top.

Guess I'm just too cynical...I just don't find it believable.

43 posted on 12/29/2005 6:52:46 AM PST by evad
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To: Restorer
It is because he demands wages higher than the market is paying for the services he is able to provide. If Mexicans are being hired for these jobs, it is because they will work for less, not because they are Mexicans.

These are statements of fact, however, the presence of the illegal labor is what drives down what "the market is paying for the services he is able to provide". Saying someone refuses to take a low paying job AFTER illegal labor has lowered its value artificially is rather blaming the victim, isn't it?
44 posted on 12/29/2005 6:57:11 AM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: RockinRight

It would be 31 new provinces like Puerto Rico. We need to take over all the way to the Panama Canal. No voting rights in congress or national elections, but required to implement minumum wage protection. We get their oil and create an alternative to dealing with OPEC. With this aim, it is a war that I would support. American empirialism has a place, when it promotes the ultimate safety and security of its citizens.


45 posted on 12/29/2005 7:00:40 AM PST by snap54
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To: ConsentofGoverned

[Pure BS our government is taking steps to INCREASE the Globalization (nafta, cafta) the plan is plain to anyone who looks at the facts: Our Government means to internationalize our laws and form a EU type government with Canada and Mexico..we have lost the right to property (KELO) and have no borders with our mexican and canandian partners..the fall of the Nation called America is very very near..the rule of un elected elites looms larger and larger.]

I believe this also. We are seeing the one world order preceeding the coming of the 'wicked one' and his 7 year rule before the 2nd coming of the anointed one, Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.


46 posted on 12/29/2005 7:00:51 AM PST by kindred (Lord,thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:)
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To: TexasCajun

" B.S. - With 5% unemployment, those that want to work, can work!"

You are aware that the government no longer counts people whose unemployment insurance has run out? That way the unemployment figures look much better for whatever administration is in office.


47 posted on 12/29/2005 7:02:07 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Build the wall and station troops. Let it collapse.
48 posted on 12/29/2005 7:06:52 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: Restorer
The only problem with your logic:
"It irritates me when people say they cannot find work, when what they really mean is they cannot find work they would like to do at a wage they would like to get."

Is that the abundancy of illegals working in many skilled and unskilled trades holds the wage down for anyone else.
It's often possible only because of pooled resources (and overcrowded apartments) which are not a part of typical American social organization.

Holding down those wages, by the way, also leaves a huge gap between entry level and that first step up the wage scale.
It has also cut off things like basic construction, many types of repair, and clerking, which were mainstays of the non-college educated wage earner.

It's interesting to see that the same unions that once drove wages upward to create a semi-skilled middle class are now embracing illegals to increase their numbers.

49 posted on 12/29/2005 7:10:53 AM PST by norton
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To: norton

That said, I also find the idea of an email from someone tramping 'round the nation looking for work a bit of a stretch.


50 posted on 12/29/2005 7:11:56 AM PST by norton
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