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From blue tarps to debris removal, layers of contractors drive up the cost of recovery...
Nola.com ^ | December 29, 2005 | Gordon Russell

Posted on 12/29/2005 7:16:21 AM PST by CajunConservative

The blue-tarp roof, a symbol of hurricane damage in south Louisiana and Mississippi as recognizable as curbside debris, may wind up as a post-Katrina emblem of government waste reminiscent of the Pentagon's fabled $435 hammers and $640 toilet seats.

Depending on the extent of damage and the size of the roof, the federal government is paying anywhere from a few hundred dollars to $5,000 to install a typical tarp. The cost to taxpayers to tack up a covering of blue vinyl is roughly the same, on a per-square-foot basis, as what a homeowner would pay to install a basic asphalt-shingle roof.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: fema; governmentwaste; katrina; louisiana; rita
$5,000 for a blue tarp roof. That is insane.
1 posted on 12/29/2005 7:16:25 AM PST by CajunConservative
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2 posted on 12/29/2005 7:17:42 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: CajunConservative

--no need to worry--it's "government" money---(sarcasm)--


3 posted on 12/29/2005 7:18:02 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: CajunConservative

How big is the union involvement in this? SOmeone should investigate and point out to the "poor, downtrodden" minorities why it takes so long and costs so much to get them back where they belong.

Or is it just Bush's fault here, too.


4 posted on 12/29/2005 7:18:30 AM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: rellimpank

Yep. Kind of like those expensive toilet seats the Pentagon purchased just because it's the government's money. Sheesh.

I know that in Cameron Parish, FEMA is NOT very welcomed. One overpaid inspector told a woman her house was livable, so the poor lady can't get any temporary shelter. There's only steps and concrete blocks left of her house. There are many similar stories.

The best thing that could happen is that FEMA be phased out.


5 posted on 12/29/2005 7:23:57 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: CajunConservative

And people waht us to throw more money down to the corruption in LA.


6 posted on 12/29/2005 7:25:39 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: AbeKrieger

People understand that this isn't the President's fault. We're not that dumb. He's done a fantastic job, FEMA on the other hand has made a different impression on people.


7 posted on 12/29/2005 7:26:22 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: TXBSAFH

This isn't Louisiana's corruption. This is showing the exorbitant waste of a federal government operation. Many people who came to work after Rita were not paid by the out of state contractors hired by FEMA.


8 posted on 12/29/2005 7:29:14 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: CajunConservative

Good article, thanks.


9 posted on 12/29/2005 7:36:18 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: CajunConservative
Here is your opportunity to bid blue tarping the superdome for only 4k
10 posted on 12/29/2005 7:52:51 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife

The cost of this "recovery effort" is insane. It should never have been this high. Federal employees are always asked to "volunteer" down there. There is nothing wrong with that. The problem is that FEMA does not have pay grades established for the tasks they assign people to do.
Example: A GS-11 employee, having no prior emergency response experience, can volunteer to work 30-60 days and still recieve their base salary rate of about $31 an hour. A GS-5 can do the same thing at $18 an hour. These people work 12 hour days, 7 days a week, thats 44 hours of overtime a week. And they both are doing the exact same job. (debris estimates or roof estimates)
FEMA should have pay scales for the jobs they need filled. It is criminal the amount of money getting thrown away from the people that could actually use it.


11 posted on 12/29/2005 8:23:17 AM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: CajunConservative

Time to kill the myth of the 600 dollar toilet seat.

First, thanks to the literal mountains of documentation the Congress has forced the Government, and particularly the Pentagon, to create for all procurement, of COURSE it costs more.

Then there's the problem of Supply. We built, for example, the B-52 bomber between 1952 and 1961. And at the time, we bought a supply of spare parts for it.

Except, when it was built, we expected to retire the B-52 sometime in the 1970's, and bought parts accordingly. Guess what: it's 2005, 30+ years later. . .and it's STILL flying. And what was an off-the-shelf part back in 1956 is now a custom-order item.

So we order another 100 B-52 toilet seats today. Some custom plastic-injection company wins the bid for about 60 bucks a piece, plus 10K to make a mold of an existing seat so we know it fits. And the Pentagon spends 5K putting it out for bid, 10K on mandated Quality Assurance on the actual seats, destroying 10 of them in the process of testing, and another 20K or so in Congressionally-mandated Acquisition and Logistics Oversight.

And THAT's how, when all the costs are totalled up, that a toilet seat that looks almost like the one you can buy at Home Depot for $15 ends up "costing" $600. . . .

And that's how a toilet


12 posted on 12/29/2005 8:24:48 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: mylife
Well,that would have been nice to save a bunch of money. Progress is being made though.

Workers line the top of the Superdome to put on the patches to holes in the roof that occurred during Katrina.

13 posted on 12/29/2005 8:25:26 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: Salgak

Good explanation :D


14 posted on 12/29/2005 8:30:23 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: CajunConservative

Im sure progress is being made.

Im no fan of the government being involved at this point.


15 posted on 12/29/2005 8:32:54 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Salgak

It is remarkable how much cost the government oversight we DEMAND adds.


16 posted on 12/29/2005 8:39:25 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: AbeKrieger
Someone should investigate and point out to the "poor, downtrodden" minorities why it takes so long and costs so much to get them back where they belong.

Ahem...

Someone should've gave the "poor, downtrodden" minorities a ladder, some fasteners and a hammer, to put tarps their roofs themselves. I mean, we're not talking rocket science here.

17 posted on 12/29/2005 8:39:44 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (The 2005 Chicago White Sox---World Series Champs---WOO! HOO!)
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To: CajunConservative
I know contractors who have gone to New Orleans just to cash in on this madness. I believe they are getting between $2 and $4 per square foot to install the blue tarps. Incidentally, an actual roof system (wood trusses or conventionally framed) costs closer to the $2 mark. Outrageous!
18 posted on 12/29/2005 8:44:23 AM PST by Quilla
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
I mean, we're not talking rocket science here.

When it comes to the beneficiaries of the "Great Society" and the four generations hence (in their communities that is basically true), anything other than waiting in a check cash line certainly qualifies as rocket science. They have been rendered completely incompetent by Big Daddy Gub'mint.

19 posted on 12/29/2005 8:44:43 AM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

A hurricane creates a one year backlog at roofing companies. The blue tarps are a stop gap measure.


20 posted on 12/29/2005 8:46:02 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

One reason the homeowners couldn't do it themselves was due to the mandatory evacuation and the near impossibility to get back to their homes. That is one big reason many refuse to leave.


21 posted on 12/29/2005 8:46:30 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: BluStaCon

I forgot to mention the cost involved in aifare, housing, and per diems.


22 posted on 12/29/2005 8:48:17 AM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: Quilla

It is insane. Also have you seen the FEMA trailers? People could build a Habitat House for much less than what the government is paying for those poorly constructed homes. I know it's a mess but maybe when all is done some serious and very necessary changes can be made.


23 posted on 12/29/2005 8:51:29 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: CajunConservative
People could build a Habitat House for much less than what the government is paying for those poorly constructed homes.

So true. No, I haven't seen a FEMA trailer, but suspect they depreciate as all trailers do.

The actual cost of a home built by Habitat in my neck of the woods averages $55,000 to build. They range from 1300-1900 in square footage and are quite nice. We have built many a Habitat home in a weekend and not one of over 80 partner families has defaulted on the arrangement. This is exactly what FEMA should be doing.

24 posted on 12/29/2005 8:58:42 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla

I know people who have made more money from Katrina than they did in Iraq.


25 posted on 12/29/2005 8:58:59 AM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: BluStaCon
..aifare, housing, and per diems..,

I reckon that just about doubles it.

26 posted on 12/29/2005 8:59:51 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: CajunConservative

I forgot to add in another 5K to AUDIT that custom plastic-injection company to make sure they have enough wheelchair-bound Buddhist lesbians of color. Not to mention that their fire extinguishers are EXACTLY 23.715 cm off the ground.

Oh. . .and that 10K mold they make. . . they're required to destroy it when they're done. Otherwise, they'd have an unfair advantage, next time we put out a bid for ANOTHER 100 toilet seats, come 2025. . . . (evil grin)


27 posted on 12/29/2005 9:06:03 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Quilla

The trailers aren't quite that much but by the time you figure in all of the other costs for temporary assistance it would be about the same. We have a very active HFH chapter here and they do some really good work.

I do understand that time is an issue. It's mind boggling when you look at all of the people needing shelter after this summer's storms but I do know that in days gone by the communities came together and helped each other out. In doing so you had stronger communities afterwards because people got to know each other.

Now there is a major battle going on in where to park all of those trailers. Homeowners don't trust FEMA for one moment in how the parks will be run and therefore are fighting the placement of those parks in their neighborhoods. Then people needing shelter are desperate to find somewhere to live temporarily because their home was destroyed. It's divisive instead of unifying.


28 posted on 12/29/2005 9:07:38 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: norraad

When you read the in-house magazine interviews with some of these people you want to gag. All the comments say how they just wanted to help their fellow man. I might be a little too cynical, but drawing a triple paycheck seems more like helping oneself.


29 posted on 12/29/2005 9:21:03 AM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: CajunConservative

The real question is what happens to all the debris. New Orleans is surrounded by lakes and marshes. In the old days, they could have burned all of it but I'm sure the environmentalists and the EPA would have a cow about that today. So where is all that crap going? Nevada?


30 posted on 12/29/2005 9:26:43 AM PST by Tall_Texan (Santa Claus is an illegal alien.)
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To: Tall_Texan

That's a good question. I know that around here the tree debris was unbelievable and that a lot of it is being burned. As to the other debris, I'm not real sure.


31 posted on 12/29/2005 9:34:20 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: Tall_Texan

Most of it goes to collection sites where it is sorted through for recyclables and hazardous waste. A lot like most waste managment stations, but on a larger scale. For the long term they should build some waste/energy plants to deal with all the construction waste from the houses that will be demolished. They have one in Rochester, MA that handles most of Cape Cod and the regions trash.


32 posted on 12/29/2005 9:39:10 AM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: CajunConservative
This is showing the exorbitant waste of a federal government operation.

Which, as long as we keep up this Blue State/Red State sniping BS, ain't ever going away.

33 posted on 12/29/2005 9:41:27 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Exactly.


34 posted on 12/29/2005 10:12:29 AM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: ClaireSolt

"A hurricane creates a one year backlog at roofing companies"

LOLOLOL I can tell you from Florida that it will be YEARS before the roofs are fixed. Maybe decades!!!

There is an old rule the hurricane people forget. You can have it done cheap; you can have it done right; you can have it now. Pick two. When it comes to hurricanes you only get to pick one. Learn to live with it our you will blow your brains out.


35 posted on 12/29/2005 3:41:43 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: Salgak

Thanks for this post.


36 posted on 12/29/2005 3:44:08 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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