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Loophole Slipped Into Measure (pro-Boy Scout amendment)(Chris Shays bafr alert)
Hartford Courant ^ | Dec 22 05

Posted on 12/29/2005 10:43:23 AM PST by churchillbuff

WASHINGTON -- Republican leaders quietly included in a sweeping defense spending bill a paragraph designed to pre-empt state and local anti-discrimination laws - a change that could make it easier for youth groups, notably the Boy Scouts, to bar gays and others from their functions.

The provision says that any state or town government that receives federal housing and community development funds cannot deny the scouts or other youth groups equal access to public meeting places. ...

The entire Connecticut delegation supported the defense measure, and when some members learned Tuesday what they had endorsed, they were not pleased. ...

Rep. Christopher Shays, R-4th District, said the provision should not have been part of the bill. Its inclusion "makes me question the judgment of my [party's] leadership," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: 109th; homosexualagenda; rino; s642; shays; supportourscouts

1 posted on 12/29/2005 10:43:25 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

"and when some members learned Tuesday what they had endorsed, they were not pleased. ..."



Because, apparently BUSH prevented them from actually reading what they were about to endorse!

What a buncha jackasses.


2 posted on 12/29/2005 10:46:57 AM PST by Blzbba ("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
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To: churchillbuff
"The provision says that any state or town government that receives federal housing and community development funds cannot deny the scouts or other youth groups equal access to public meeting places."

Just wondering, would this also apply to some nazi or other subversive youth group?

3 posted on 12/29/2005 10:50:33 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: churchillbuff
The intolerance of Liberals and Democrats in promoting ideas perverting terms such as, "Freedom of Relgion" into "Freedom from Religion", and "Supporting Abortion but Against Execution of Convicted Murders or Against War".

Glad to see a pro-family positive social value gorup like the Boy Scouts finally get some equal treatment. Time to fix the situation with Military Recruiters on College Campus'.

4 posted on 12/29/2005 10:56:55 AM PST by Jumper
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To: nightdriver
Just wondering, would this also apply to some nazi or other subversive youth group?

As long as no laws are being broken by the request of or attendance at such meetings, why should we be in the business of barring any group access to public places?

5 posted on 12/29/2005 10:57:59 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: churchillbuff

Rep. Christopher Shays-----HOMO


6 posted on 12/29/2005 10:58:15 AM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: churchillbuff
Gee Chris, didn't read the bill huh.

He is such a double talking weenie.

7 posted on 12/29/2005 10:58:54 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: nightdriver
Just wondering, would this also apply to some nazi or other subversive youth group?

I guess it depends on the terms of the bill, but so what? They certainly wouldn't discriminating against Communist or Jihadie groups, the ACLU would sue them if they tried that. The ACLU has also been known to support the Nazi type groups as well.

8 posted on 12/29/2005 11:01:36 AM PST by El Gato
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To: VeniVidiVici
"....why should we be in the business of barring any group access to public places?"

I guess you're right.

We'll probably politely hold the door open for our own assassins.

9 posted on 12/29/2005 11:10:39 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Blzbba
What a buncha jackasses.

Many in elephant suits.

10 posted on 12/29/2005 11:19:18 AM PST by polymuser (Losing, like flooding, brings rats to the surface.)
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To: Blzbba
What a buncha jackasses.

I'll second that and I'll add the word "smarmy" before jackass.

11 posted on 12/29/2005 11:21:46 AM PST by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
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To: churchillbuff

The entire Connecticut delegation supported the defense measure, and when some members learned Tuesday what they had endorsed, they were not pleased. ...

They voted without knowing what was in it, they deserve
what they get.

I honestly think we could pick several hundred people at
random from the phone book and have BETTER representation.


12 posted on 12/29/2005 11:22:12 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: churchillbuff

Typical leftist propaganda.

How will this measure make it easier for Boy Scouts to discriminate? They already exclude gays and atheists.

Would be nice to see a story about how young boys are being denied the opportunity to learn about citizenship, appreciate the outdoors by camping on federal land, etc. But the editors don't care about those kinds of issues, they are more concerned about the integrity of the appropriations process. Yeah right.


13 posted on 12/29/2005 11:23:21 AM PST by KingofZion
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To: churchillbuff

Ohhhh, those sneaky repub tricksters hid it in a "paragraph"!!!

No wonder it didn't make it into the "Clift's Notes" version
of HR.XXXXX.


14 posted on 12/29/2005 11:24:01 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: churchillbuff

That Karl Rove, he's a real crack up. Using that special ink that only shows up after passage of the bill - genius


15 posted on 12/29/2005 11:24:37 AM PST by Go Gordon (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce)
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To: churchillbuff
Republican leaders quietly included in a sweeping defense spending bill a paragraph designed to pre-empt state and local anti-discrimination laws - a change that could make it easier for youth groups, notably the Boy Scouts, to bar gays and others from their functions.

Excellent work, men.

Republicans = Pro-Boyscouts

Democrats = Pro-Sodomite Chickenhawks.
16 posted on 12/29/2005 11:25:26 AM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Santorum.)
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To: Dane
Gee Chris, didn't read the bill huh.

I don't think any of them actually read the bills that get voted on, do you?

I have a different issue with this... in the olden years, the bills were built into a manuscript primarily via manual labor (my guess, perhaps incorrect.) At one time, they were handwritten, then we started to use typewriters. Since only one person sat at the typewriter, there was a semblance of control in governing what was added.

In this wonderful day and age, we have electronic documents stored on servers; some secured, others are not. How difficult is it for someone in the Congress / staff to get a paragraph, or a page or two copied and pasted into the master document?? What kind of control is exercised over the text of the laws these idiots vote upon??

I have a concern with how easy it might be to get additional words into the text of the bills under consideration.

17 posted on 12/29/2005 11:57:37 AM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: churchillbuff
Shays should be retired. He's an embarrassment to Connecticut, to America, to the Republican party, the male gender, western civilization, humanity, the planet earth, our solar system, and the Milky Way Galaxy.
18 posted on 12/29/2005 12:00:32 PM PST by NeoCaveman (If we ever banned air conditioning, I think people would move back, - Bob Bennet Ohio GOP)
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To: nightdriver
We'll probably politely hold the door open for our own assassins.

Before you bar them from equal access to government facilities you need evidence that they are commiting a crime. Otherwise you're making decisions based on rumor.

Otherwise you'll have people arguing that anyone believing in civil rights is subversive to the all powerful government.

19 posted on 12/29/2005 12:41:07 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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"Before you bar them from equal access to government facilities you need evidence that they are commiting a crime."

OK. Thanks for straightening me out on that one.

I'll wait until AFTER they assassinate me before I slam the door on them!

20 posted on 12/29/2005 1:40:58 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
I'll wait until AFTER they assassinate me before I slam the door on them!

No, but you have to at least show that they are conspiring to do you harm first.

You can't just say that some group may be wanting to harm someone and lock them up for it.

Otherwise the liberals would have had the Minutemen locked up before tehy could bring too much attention to the issue of our porus border.

They'd lock up gun owners because they might use their guns to harm someone.

21 posted on 12/29/2005 1:49:36 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: nightdriver

We already let homosexuals have "parades" on public streets. Talk about freaky.


22 posted on 12/29/2005 5:37:59 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: dubyaismypresident

And the entire universe?


23 posted on 12/29/2005 5:39:09 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw
And the entire universe?

Sure.

24 posted on 12/29/2005 5:39:39 PM PST by NeoCaveman (If we ever banned air conditioning, I think people would move back, - Bob Bennet, Chairman Ohio GOP)
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To: churchillbuff

LOL..A threat from Chris Shays 'questioning Republican leadership!' Maybe if he were a senator someone might be concerned that he'd do a Jim Jeffords. Go ahead Chris. Question all you want you big lib.


25 posted on 12/29/2005 5:49:46 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: churchillbuff
The article says...

...The defense bill is aimed at making it easier for the scouts, as well as 16 other groups and "any other organization designated by the president" that serves young people, to use such public facilities...

Says 'any other organization designated by the President'. Anyone think a future lib president can abuse this and force the DOD to host radical left youth groups? It does concern me a bit. I understand President is also the commander in chief, but I hope the DOD has some say as well. I wish they could have went with the narrow language for the Boy Scouts.

26 posted on 12/29/2005 5:59:50 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: nightdriver
Just wondering, would this also apply to some nazi or other subversive youth group?

As it stands, Leftist youth groups and Black Supremicist youth groups have no problem getting access to public meeting facilities

As far as neo-Nazi youth groups holding meetings, as long as they are not groups that plan violence or insurrection, then I have no problem with them using public meeting spaces

27 posted on 12/30/2005 6:50:30 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: nightdriver
I'll wait until AFTER they assassinate me before I slam the door on them!

If you're in fear of the Boy Scouts coming to kill you, then you have more problems that I know how to address.

The only people currently on the scene with a history of assassination will prefer to meet in their own mosques

28 posted on 12/30/2005 6:53:58 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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