Abu Ghrab figure England burned in prison mishap

Reuters ^ | Dec 29 2005 | Adam Tanner

[jmc1969]

Lynndie England, the U.S. soldier incarcerated for abusing detainees in Iraq, was badly burned in a prison kitchen accident, her mother said on Thursday.

England works in the prison's kitchen, where she suffered second- and possibly third-degree burns from being splattered with grease over her chest as she removed chickens from a tall oven, her mother, Terrie England, said in an interview.

"She was in severe pain," she said of the December 14 incident. "Everybody in the prison heard the scream."

Terrie England, who is caring for England's infant during her incarceration, faulted prison officials for not giving better treatment during a visit to the emergency room.

"They gave her nothing," she said. "When this happened I was furious. ... To think they give you nothing for pain."

Brewster Schenck, a spokesman for Consolidated Brig Miramar, confirmed England had been assigned to the kitchen, where inmates prepare and serve food mostly for other prisoners. He declined to discuss the accident or her medical condition.

Terrie England said the arrival of her daughter at the military prison caused a lot of curiosity, including autograph requests. "It wasn't just prisoners, it was guards and everything," she said.

She said Lynndie England had been taking a Bible prayer class in prison and telephoning home from prison about once a week.

In a September interview with Reuters, England blamed her involvement in the Abu Ghraib scandal on then-lover Charles Graner, who is serving a 10-year sentence on abuse charges and is the father of her baby.

[peyton randolph]

faulted prison officials for not giving better treatment

What? Did they keep the leash on her? Snap photos of it?

[Travis McGee]

I wonder what REALLY happened?
Probably the "muslim sisterhood" nailed her.

[Fruitbat]

I can see the movie now: ALLAH: Avenging the Underwear Atrocities!

[Petronski]

I hope this thread doesn't become vicious. At some point, a thread can be so vicious it will be deleted outright.

[Jack Deth]

I wish I could work up enough Give A Sh*t... But I can't. Kitchen accidents happen all the time.

Jack.

[HiTech RedNeck]

She spill the grease from a pan? No way you are going to get enough grease to seriously hurt someone spattered directly off of a baked chicken.

[Hotdog]

That remark was uncalled for...

[RebelBanker]

She did wrong and is being punished for it. Nevertheless, I will pray that she is OK. Remember, not even the worst sinner is beyond redemption.

[MarkL]

Oops! That should have read, "I would not agree..."

Mark

[Pukin Dog]

WHat kind of idiot are you? Nobody deserves that.

[eyespysomething]

Too bad FR doesn't have a "Think" button next to the "Spell" one.

[LauraleeBraswell]

I don't give a sh++ what the hell they did to those PRISONERS OF WAR. It's War.

[Hypervigilant]

Stuck on A-Hole, Tec?

[satchmodog9]

No one uses spell check. What makes you think they will use think?

[eyespysomething]

lol, true, true (including myself)

[msnimje]

You know this sort of remark requires you to post a picture of yourself so we can all make childish and mean spirited remarks about your looks.

If we don't like the way you look than we can wish you harm. Sounds fair, right?

[org.whodat]

they did to those PRISONERS

That is not the problem, this dumbbell disobeyed a direct lawful order not to be in the prison. She was a clerk.

[definitelynotaliberal]

And, just to be clear, although it was war, what this silly little girl did was to allow herself to be photographed 'humiliating' the prisoners - not hurting or torturing, humiliating. And yes, I will say 1 is better than the other. You get over humiliation much more easily. One of the guys who was humiliated by Lyndie then said to the press that all that notwithstanding, he wouldn't mind immigrating to the US. Got over pretty quickly, wouldn't you say?

I can't believe some of the comments on here - no sensitivity at all and a lot of judgement. For those of you casting aspersions on her fortitude, the article does say she was removing the chickens from a *tall* oven. You might say she couldn't see, possibly lost her balance, the contents moved, she got splashed with hot oil, whatever. Lyndie is neither a hero, nor a wimp. Those of you, though, who have made insensitive, obnoxious comments, might want to examine yourselves by the same standards of judgement you did Lyndie.

I've been here less than a year and I know that there are some crude dregs here, but tonight, I'm speechless.

[LauraleeBraswell]

okay, so I understand. but the "Abu Ghrab scandal"... don't care. I don't care. It's war. Did you know 5 million German children died in our bombing of Germany World War II? That's innocent children. So do I give a crap about some insurgents who we caught being made to do a pyramid? No. Our men have gone through worse torture. That's kiddie stuff compared to true torture. I don't care.

[Madison Moose]

What she did has nothing to do with World War II, or what has happened to Americans. It has to do with what's right. Don't get me wrong, I don't care if we use a little coercion to get some information, but her actions were irresponsible and useless.

[GSlob]

In US Naval brig?? Permit me to doubt.

[freedumb2003]

That is a very cruel and crappy thing to say.

[SandyInSeattle]

Are you embarrassed yet?

[definitelynotaliberal]

It seems out of character if you look at his other posts. I think he might've been trying to say that which has been said much better by org.whodat and Madison Moose. As stated by those gentlemen, it is a position which with I wholly agree, but oolatec just hit a new level of crass. I hope he also finds the class in himself and admits, if only to himself, that he said something really jerky.

[RunningWolf]

I think you probably have it calibrated correctly there Travis.

Wolf

[It's me]

I didn't know Miramar had a brig here in San Diego.

[RunningWolf]

I hear you absolutely-notaliberal,

Lyndie was just a pawn, and what went down at Abu Ghraib was next to nil in the world of torture.

Look at how our own people came back from Hanoi Hilton, read about them. Do some reading from political escapee's from Cuba. The movies don't even get close to it much of the time.

Wolf

[countess]

I didn't know it either, but I just read that Miramar houses DOD female prisoners. Seems a shame she has to serve so far from home, with a new baby back in W. Va with her mom. I do feel some compassion for her, due to her low I.Q. She was easily led astray.

[JSteff]

"but her actions were irresponsible and useless."

How? She did not "torture" them mr mccain. Harsh language and a bit of taunting is nothing.

Now I understand that sometimes the other boys back in elementary school might have been mean.... but adults can probably avoid allowing that cause misplaced empathy now that they are grown up

[Madison Moose]

I never saw any use to what she did. There is a difference between what she did and the legitimate use of torture/coercion on Al Queda or other terrorists.

[BobS]

I don't mind her dragging dog-collared terrorists around and putting dirty panties on them.

Gee. Years ago a buddy and me used a military truck to steal boxes of booze and ice from the Officer's Club and a few squadrons' enlisted folks had parties with no questions asked. The Senior Master Seargent just kept his mouth shut. My buddy and me were honorably discharged when the time was up for us. We wrote him from civilian life to tell him what we did. He knew and just kept quiet because we were very good at it:):) We were smart.

We didn't hang around with some other guys that decided to bring a bunch of Spanish hookers on base in a 2.5 ton truck. The OSI ran all over the place looking for them. Those guys got kicked out for being stupid. We avoided those guys and did "smart" pranks. Not that we couldn't avoid a rope around our necks if we got caught:)

[LauraleeBraswell]

You know what, unless there was an innocent freedom loving Iraqi among those made to do the pyramid, I don't care. Just don't feel bad. I can't help it, but I don't care.

[LauraleeBraswell]

THANKYOU. I could care less what went down at Abu Ghraib.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Too bad FR doesn't have a "Think" button next to the "Spell" one.

That would shorten threads considerably and reduce bandwidth cost. Maybe John should stick a dummy one on their to cover us dummies, also.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

So aside from being a total screw-up, she can't cook.

[speed_addiction]

I wonder what REALLY happened? Probably the "muslim sisterhood" nailed her.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms that what happened to her was one of two things. An accident or a personal beef with another inmate. No way that this was related to what happened in Abu Yabba Doo.

No inmate will take it upon themselves to do something to another inmate unless it is personal, a contract hit or beatdown or gang related. Out of a sense of righting a social injustice? Never gonna happen. I spent too many years in prison and know how these things work.


What We Are About To Do Here Is What The Good Lord Would Call A Cleansing of the Wicked. I Call It A Good Old Fashioned Texas Ass Kicking.

[ishabibble]

You'd be surprised. Burns from a commercial kitchen accident are the worst. Burns are the worst, period.

Prayers for Ms. Englund, as I wish that nobody would ever suffer such an injury.

[wardaddy]

no telling....sounds like it involved a big boiler tray

bad things happen in food service sometimes

never heard of this place..Consolidated Brig Miramar....in your neck of the woods I see

[Hank Rearden]

Abu Ghrab figure England burned in prison mishap

Least-enlightening headline I've ever read - just had to click and see what the heck this was about.

Turns out, it's about an ugly chick in prison.

[silver charm]

umm, read the article again. It was chickens (plural) in a tall oven. She's a little shrimp and she was reaching for a pan of chickens probably about eye level to her and the grease got down the front of her. I knew someone who was burned like that taking something out of the upper level of a double oven.
Chickens got alot of fat on them.
I still think she got was too harsh a sentence. Those poor humiliated Iraqi's are probably still getting wet dreams about all that "abuse".

[A CA Guy]

Looks to me like she's doing alright.

[Paul_Denton]

okay, so I understand. but the "Abu Ghrab scandal"... don't care. I don't care. It's war. Did you know 5 million German children died in our bombing of Germany World War II? That's innocent children. So do I give a crap about some insurgents who we caught being made to do a pyramid? No. Our men have gone through worse torture. That's kiddie stuff compared to true torture. I don't care.

I agree.

[SR 50]

I guess some people will do anything to get out of work. She probably learned that in the Army Reserves.

[Oztrich Boy]

England blamed her involvement in the Abu Ghraib scandal on then-lover Charles Graner,

"then-lover"? And we were all hoping those two crazy kids would make it.

[Straight Vermonter]

Arrrgggghhh, that is ridiculous. Germany lost 1.84 Million total civilians in the war so how the hell could they lose 5 million children?

Please don't give nonsense statistics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_casualties_by_country