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CA: A plan to boost green projects - Coalition in state drafts parks, water measure for ballot
Mercury News ^ | 12/30/05 | Paul Rogers

Posted on 12/30/2005 9:25:03 AM PST by NormsRevenge

In an unusual campaign to hedge their political bets, a coalition of 11 leading environmental groups has quietly drafted a ballot measure asking California voters next year to approve the largest parks and water bond in state history.

The proposed measure, now awaiting a title and summary from California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, would raise $5.4 billion to shore up aging levees in San Francisco Bay's delta, build new drinking water treatment plants, fund flood control, restore salmon runs and purchase new parklands from Monterey Bay to Lake Tahoe to inner-city Los Angeles.

--snip--

``We're hopeful the governor and the Legislature will respond, and they'll include funding in their bond proposals for those needs. But we are prepared to move forward with this proposal if the Legislature fails to meet the need.''

The environmental coalition is composed of deep-pocketed land trusts and other organizations that campaigned to win passage of the last parks and water bonds, Propositions 40 and 50 in 2002. It includes the Nature Conservancy, California Audubon Society, Save-the-Redwoods League, the Trust for Public Land, Peninsula Open Space Trust and Big Sur Land Trust.

The group will have to raise about $5 million to fund the campaign, and has hired a firm to begin collecting 600,000 signatures in about a month to meet a mid-April deadline, said Rachel Dinno, government affairs director for the Trust for Public Land, in Sacramento.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ballot; bigbangbond; boost; calbudget; california; calinitiatives; coalition; conservancy; green; greengovernor; measure; natureconservancy; openspace; parks; projects; trustforpublicland; water

1 posted on 12/30/2005 9:25:05 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Weird. GanGreen already owns a number of politicos and NGOs and the Gub's mansion along with the GLBT'rs and unions... and now demand their another piece of the pie.
2 posted on 12/30/2005 9:28:02 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Look out for this park crap. Just another government land grab at our expense. We lose when we pay off the bond, we lose when the land goes off the tax roll, and we lose through lost productivity.

Just seeing the groups involved should scare voters off.

I love that name though; Sherry Bebitch Jeffe?


3 posted on 12/30/2005 9:31:34 AM PST by barj
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To: NormsRevenge; barj; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; calcowgirl; tubebender
The environmental coalition is composed of deep-pocketed land trusts and other organizations that campaigned to win passage of the last parks and water bonds, Propositions 40 and 50 in 2002.

The obvious question is: What did they do with the ~5 BILLION $ they got four years ago? Answer: They are using it as a way to fund the various agencies like Department of Fish & Game, Water Quality, even CalTrans and the public schools. It's not like they are spending the money on actually buying parks, they are using the bond mechanism to fund current operating expenses of a bloated State government. Stand by for a link....

4 posted on 12/30/2005 9:46:30 AM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; forester; dalereed; ElkGroveDan
Does anybody here remember the 1994 initiative called "CALPAW?" The state voted it down in a smack-down!!! It was just like this one with the same GANG-GREEN-GROUPS!!!

The only thing missing is the person named Gerald Meral, founder of the CA Mountain Lion Foundation and some Rural/Urban Planning group whose name escapes me in my Senior Moment!!!

5 posted on 12/30/2005 9:59:26 AM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; barj; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; calcowgirl; tubebender
Department of Fish and Game Fisheries Restoration Grant Program Approved Projects for Fiscal Year 2003/2004

Scroll down at least 1/3 of the way and you will see where the money is going. DFG staff will tell small landowners," There is money available to help you." I only see one private individual on the whole list. The rest is being divided up between State agencies, cities, counties, RCD's and enviro groups.

In short, these people are junkies, looking for another fix from the taxpayers.

6 posted on 12/30/2005 10:03:21 AM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: SierraWasp

And the beat goes on...


7 posted on 12/30/2005 10:03:49 AM PST by FOG724 (A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary)
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To: forester
My bet is that the trusts are also looking to unload their property at inflated prices so that they have the cash for another round.
8 posted on 12/30/2005 10:07:33 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; FOG724

Yep, get the taxpayers to buy their commandeered property at high market prices. Like fog says, the beat goes on...


9 posted on 12/30/2005 10:19:17 AM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester

Looks like they took a page from the social security adiministration's book on how to handle money.


10 posted on 12/30/2005 10:42:39 AM PST by barj
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To: forester

"It's not like they are spending the money on actually buying parks"

There are too many parks now used mainly for living quarters for illegals, offices for drug dealers, city council ego trips, and the employment of maintainance people.

NO MORE BONDS!


11 posted on 12/30/2005 10:43:38 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed
NO MORE BONDS!

Not even OO7?

12 posted on 12/30/2005 10:54:29 AM PST by b9
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To: doodlelady

Even the story line is becoming almost a repeat with a new face!


13 posted on 12/30/2005 10:57:47 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

True. Nobody beats Connery.


14 posted on 12/30/2005 11:00:08 AM PST by b9
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To: dalereed
There are too many parks now used mainly for living quarters for illegals, offices for drug dealers, city council ego trips, and the employment of maintainance people.

You're too correct on that! And what do the enviro's and the bureaucrats with the forest service have to say? Zip! The drug cartels are destroying the parks and forests we have with their dope growing enterprises.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1524578/posts

National parks' pot farms blamed on cartels

15 posted on 12/30/2005 11:04:14 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: SierraWasp
Does anybody here remember the 1994 initiative called "CALPAW?"

I don't recall that one. Are you sure you aren't thinking of Prop 128 of 1990, the "Big Green Initiative?"

16 posted on 12/30/2005 11:05:30 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: forester
They are using it as a way to fund the various agencies like Department of Fish & Game, Water Quality, even CalTrans and the public schools.

Thanks for the link. My personal favorite: $111,844 to study the ancestry of trout.

17 posted on 12/30/2005 11:17:40 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge
Pollster Mark Baldassare called their tactic ``politically savvy,'' and said it might lead to odd coalitions of bird watchers and highway builders if lawmakers combine all the bond language into one large measure.

I believe the term is PORK.

18 posted on 12/30/2005 11:21:07 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: WatchingInAmazement; dalereed

Also, take a look at who gets the concessions to run these parks!

Here is one snip (hint):

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21395

Since the 1970s, [Bruce] Babbitt [D] has been criticized over his involvement with Emprise Corp. and later Delaware North Corp. As both attorney general of Arizona and as governor, Babbitt supported the company with links to organized crime, which, under his watch, became the concessionaire for Yosemite National Park. Oh, by the way, Babbitt took a $45,000 payoff from the company to ensure it retained its dog-racing licenses in the state.


19 posted on 12/30/2005 11:29:25 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Babbitt,, welll hardie har har har..

It's looking like another 'Business as usual' year in CaliPORKnia in 2006 ...


20 posted on 12/30/2005 11:46:12 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp

It must be this one: Proposition 180, Park Lands, Historic Sites, Wildlife & Conservation Bond Act. It was on the June 1994 ballot and failed, receiving 43.3% voter approval. (CALPAW = California Parks and Wildlife)

From the Caltax website: "The 1994 measure was Proposition 180, an initiative to incur $2 billion in debt for parks and conservation. Cal-Tax opposed the measure because it was drafted without legislative review, was not viewed as the best use of scarce resources, and it would have spent one-time bond money on some ongoing program operations."

From the Jarvis website: "In 1994 we successfully campaigned against Proposition 180 which would have cost taxpayers $3.5 billion to purchase land for special interests. "

It apparently included much more than land, even designating 2% to be dedicated for bike paths.


21 posted on 12/30/2005 11:50:42 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: dalereed
NO MORE BONDS!

I agree. My point is that these bonds are being used to fund ongoing day to day items...kinda like paying for ones groceries by refinancing the house...not a sound financial decision IMHO

22 posted on 12/30/2005 12:01:21 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: barj

Truly amazing isn't it? The funny part was that the DFG guy told me that I should look to this list to get a feel for what kind of projects the grant program was funding. I called him back and said "they are funding themselves!"


23 posted on 12/30/2005 12:04:51 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: calcowgirl

Your welcome.


24 posted on 12/30/2005 12:07:04 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester; ElkGroveDan; ScottinSacto; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; FOG724; calcowgirl; tubebender; ...
Yes... The CAF&G's Wildlife Conservation Board is the Real Estate arm of F&G and spends a multitude of millions every year acquiring land from CONservancies and Land Trusts at vastly inflated prices while removing said properties from county property tax rolls. While holding these properties for subsequent sale to the Wildlife Conservation Board, the CONservancies get some kind of welfare exemption from paying any taxes to the counties.

This scam of the taxpayers and against the counties, their own political subdivisions, has been growing by leaps and bounds through these phony CONservancies in a corrupt process that is loaded with abuse from front to back.

Assemblyman David Knowles once tried to have it audited, but I think the parent agency, CA State Fish & Game, along with it's umbrella agency, the CA Resources Agency all needed to be included in the audit because stuff got sifted and shifted in a New York Minute!!!

Poor Knowles got so shifted and shafted after term limiting out and turning his office over to Rico Oller that he ended up over in the Dept. of Insurance and then had to jump to the CA Earthquake Authority he helped create (when they demonized Quackenbush and drove him out to HI) before eventually being squeezed out of State Government Service entirely... And so it goes!!!

If I got any of this incorrect, you can ask ElkGroveDan to clean up the details if you want to. I don't think ScottinSacto lurks/posts here anymore, or you could get even more details from him.

Anyways... This whole mess is HUGE!!! (not Hugh!!!)

25 posted on 12/30/2005 4:39:44 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

NO! It was Prop 180 that was defeated the year I won election!!! I'll never forget it! I was almost as pleased with it's defeat as I was with our victory in that election!!!


26 posted on 12/30/2005 4:44:09 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
Good! As usual, you've looked up the answer before I even knew he was confused and now I find out you've answered him long before I did and I find that still to be breathtakingly GOOD!!!

There's NO girl, like our calcowgirl!!! Yippiekiyiyooooooooo!!!

27 posted on 12/30/2005 4:52:58 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

ROFL! I learn a lot from following up on your posts. I got a lifetime education in researching the Sierra Nevada CONservancy. I almost feel like you do it intentionally... like a virtual leash leading me around to stuff I should know, LOL. Hey--whatever works!


28 posted on 12/30/2005 5:27:04 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Yes, ccg... It's called the Socratic Method of instruction!

Teaching by asking a series of leading questions, or providing a series of leading intrigues to investigate.

Now when are you going to teach me how to copy and past graphics I find into my replies. I'll warn ya! I've been taught before, but have let it fade from my seemingly fading memory. (I sure can remember some things longer and better than others, however)

29 posted on 12/30/2005 5:33:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Yes, ccg... It's called the Socratic Method of instruction! Teaching by asking a series of leading questions, or providing a series of leading intrigues to investigate.

AHA! You have been doin' it intentionally! ROFL.

Now when are you going to teach me how to copy and past graphics I find into my replies.

What kind of graphics? I am not a great teacher, but I always love a challenge ;-)

30 posted on 12/30/2005 5:38:54 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Have you dug into the stuff I related in Reply #25, yet? Someday, someway, somebody is gonna find a way to publish quite a news story by following through on the corruption and landgrabbing to make the entire State of CA into the "People's Park!" (Remember when Reagan had to break up that little protest at UC Berkeley?)(That was just a precursor of CA's Commies doing it through the State F&G!!!)


31 posted on 12/30/2005 5:39:06 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: calcowgirl

Oh, you know... when I find a snappy little picture, or cartoon, or etching... no wait! Scratch the etching!!! (or is that scratch the itching?)(I gotta go fix a sandwich. I be back later.)


32 posted on 12/30/2005 5:43:07 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

I did do some digging a couple years back regarding a certain individual that just happened to always be in the right place at the right time (having bought bunches of properties that were later deemed desireable to those in charge of public funds--both in Southern and Northern California). Unfortunately, I dumped my hard drive a while back and lost all of that info. I can't even remember the guy's full name! I agree--HUGE.


33 posted on 12/30/2005 5:44:58 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge
The proposed measure, now awaiting a title and summary from California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, would raise $5.4 billion to shore up aging levees in San Francisco Bay's delta, build new drinking water treatment plants, fund flood control, restore salmon runs and purchase new parklands from Monterey Bay to Lake Tahoe to inner-city Los Angeles.

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``We're hopeful the governor and the Legislature will respond, and they'll include funding in their bond proposals for those needs.

Those are not needs, they're wants.

34 posted on 12/30/2005 5:48:28 PM PST by oldbrowser (Release the Barrett Report)
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To: SierraWasp
Ahh... okay. You mean images (i.e. jpg files or gif files).

Whenever you see one you like, right click on it and select "properties".
From the properties box, copy the URL that it reflects under "address"
(example: http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg).

Now, to post it, type:
(img src="http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg")
except, replace the ( ) with < >

Then you should be able to post this:

Okay... now I want to see you post that picture in a post back to me.
35 posted on 12/30/2005 6:01:34 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Oh NO!!! You not gonna ask me to actually DO it, are ya??? I'm gonna go run and hide for a month or two!!! Egad!!!


36 posted on 12/30/2005 7:50:07 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
You mean like dis???


37 posted on 12/30/2005 7:54:08 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

EXCELLENT! Now... bookmark this thread and you'll have it for future reference!

(And I'm bookmarking in case ya ask me agin, lol)


38 posted on 12/30/2005 8:16:31 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
There is an HTML tag that allows you to ignore tags.

(img src="http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg") except, replace the ( ) with < >

becomes:

< img src="http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg" >

39 posted on 12/30/2005 8:53:29 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

>>There is an HTML tag that allows you to ignore tags.

Thanks... what is it? Or how do I do that?


40 posted on 12/30/2005 9:09:48 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Amerigomag
ROFL! Scratch my last question...
I think got it. I forgot about that 'view source' tool.

Test: < img src="http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg" >

41 posted on 12/30/2005 9:23:46 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; SierraWasp
Thanks... what is it? Or how do I do that?

You actually did it. My comment was sarcastic. Not unusual.

When you typed the characters < > at the end of your explanation you actually used the technique. Review the page source for your reply.

My example wouldn't have worked for Wasp but he's bright and would have figured out the spacing problem .... eventually. Beside the ever-present Republican trolls would have appreciated his absence while he figured out just what went wrong and how I had misled him.

The ampersand coding without a following semicolon would create the simple text presentation < P > rather than the valid command tag <P>. Review the page source for this reply and you'll understand. :)

42 posted on 12/30/2005 9:53:43 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

Thanks! Since now I am so totally confused, I think I'll leave that for tomorrow, LOL.
My html knowledge has been limited to just a few basics and I've been able to slide by (mostly).


43 posted on 12/30/2005 10:15:26 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
I think I'll leave that for tomorrow

Good idea. FO is on the prowl again on the California Topic as we speak. Keep your 6 covered and your helmet on. The HTML tutorials can wait.

44 posted on 12/30/2005 10:21:56 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

I saw that other thread. Amazing.
[shaking head in disbelief at the audacious Austrian-adoring agitator...]


45 posted on 12/30/2005 11:00:34 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; Amerigomag
"My html knowledge has been limited to just a few basics and I've been able to slide by (mostly)."

Dittos!!! Thanks, youse guys! I've bookmarked as commanded!!! (under threat of retrobushun)

46 posted on 12/31/2005 11:14:33 AM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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