Skip to comments.Senate approves bill to require ID from voters (PA)
Posted on 12/30/2005 8:25:21 PM PST by FreeKeys
HARRISBURG-- A bill that would require Pennsylvania voters to show ... identification at the polls or be forced to cast a provisional ballot has passed the state Senate.
The ... bill was approved ... 29-21, and sent to the House, which has already approved a measure with similar requirements.
However, a spokeswoman for Gov. Rendell and an ACLU official criticized it as putting up obstacles for voters.
"The governor is concerned that identification requirements may discourage people from voting and eventually disenfranchise people," said Rendell's press secretary.
If [it] becomes law, the requirements would be in force for the 2006 election, when Pennsylvania voters will elect a governor, U.S. senator and most members of the state Legislature.
"What we want is to give people a reason to have 100%confidence in the system, that everyone eligible to vote had a real chance to ... and to only vote ONCE," said Erik Arneson, the chief of staff for the Senate's Republican leader, David J. Brightbill of Lebanon County.
Currently, only people voting in a polling place for the first time must show identification.
If the voter cannot produce such identification, or if the identification is challenged by an election judge, the voter could cast a provisional ballot, which are typically used when an individual's name does not appear on voter rolls.
Elections officials later decide whether provisional ballots are valid.
Provisional ballots cast under the legislation would not be counted if the ballot is challenged at a later hearing and the voter who cast it does not produce identification to the county board of elections.
Larry Frankel, the legislative director of the ACLU of Pennsylvania, warned that the legislation could lead to long lines at polling places and higher costs for counties that must process greater numbers of provisional ballots.
(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...
This is another one I don`t get. How in the world could you rationally explain why this is a bad thing?
this is a snow job to make it look like they are getting tuff on vote fraud, when in reality all the provisional ballots will be accepted and nothing will have changed.
I'd like to see a system like they do in Iraq with the purple finger dye. It might eliminate this problem we have with dozens of goons being bused to multiple polling places.
That's good, but only half the answer. I don't want illegals voting even the FIRST time!
because somebody needs 120% voter turnout in Philadelphia.
Maybe. Maybe not. If the GOP gets its act together there will be stinks raised in every precinct that tries it. But as you know, that's a big "IF"!
It appears that the aCLU has finally figured out that DemocRATS cannot get elected without rampant voter fraud. I guess they are just "slower" than everyone else.
Oh, I get it; they finally "got aCLU". Heh.
How are Democrats supposed to win elections if the dead can't vote? Or boarded-up rowhouses full of homeless outpatients? Or nursing homes full of Democrats whose dementia prevents them from showing ID? C'mon, man....
When one considers the number of American men and women who have sacrificed their lives to guarantee that Americans continue to have the right to vote, it would seem that something as simple as showing a photo I.D. wouldn't be that tough of an "obstacle" to overcome.
No, Baraonda, Irresponsible Duplicity.
Me neither. But what do we do? Documents are so easy to forge these days. How about a poll tax?
And then what about places where officials are so corrupt that they encourage vote fraud?
I get depressed thinking about it.
It's a poll tax. I've read that at least one state charges $35 for a non-drivers' license ID. This discourages poor people from voting (can you say disenfranchisement?). The 24th amendment (so sayeth Wikipedia) made poll taxes, or any other fees/taxes, illegal in federal elections. That is a rational argument.
Now, we can eliminate that argument easily by making a voter ID free. At that point, it would be simply laziness that would prevent people from voting.
Just so you know, I am STRONGLY in favor of requiring IDs at the polling places.
Well, we call and write our state and federal representatives (I think I've made at least 2 dozen calls and 8 letters in 2005), and email stuff to everybody (I think I sent about 2,500 emails during the 2004 campaign). Just figure out what YOU personally can do, and stay cheerful about that. Don't struggle with what you have no personal control of; it's not healthy. Eliminate stress and live longer!
Hmm, let me guess. 29 REPUBLICANS vote yes. 21 DIMOCRATZ vote no. Unfair to people with multiple personalities or some such reason.
Why should voting be easy?
Uh-oh. Rendell is going to have to VETO this. This could actually result in fair elections where Dem locks on seats become competitive without their usual dead/illegal/multiple base.
It would indeed discourage people from casting fraudulent votes, yes.
Illegal aliens would be disenfranchised... ?
Lets be honest here. The vast number of adults in the state have a drivers license already...I'd be guessing roughly 98 percent. The majority of those without a license are mostly women...over the age of 65. I'm totally in favor of just giving them "freely"...a ID card. I doubt that more than 2000 of these requirements will exist in the entire state of Penn. Just call it a loss on the card cost and take it out of state funds. Everybody can shut up at that point.
Walk around your neighborhood and ask 100 adults if they have a license or not. The vast majority have one. The guys who got DWI's may have issues...but thats their own fault. For anyone to voice "disenchantment" with this topic...its a smokescreen. We wouldn't let you buy booze at a liquore store if you looked 16...we'd card you. We won't let you submit income forms, without all members of your family having social security numbers. We won't let you present a check to Wal-Mart of Sears...without a picture ID. Go down the list...we are already making positive ID a part of our society. Why would we not include in voting?
Why do the republicans wait until there's a rat governor who will no doubt veto the bill to try to pass these laws?
Absolutely. I think this is accurate.
To make it look like they are doing something, when in fact they aren't doing anything. It's the same as when republicans pass tax cuts or anything else that means something to conservatives, they expire after just a few years while liberal programs go on forever.
But what do you ask them to do? Do you think a photo ID check would be sufficient? I mean we have states giving driver's licenses to illegals now.
Anything you think of or read about that makes sense. If you don't have the answer you can just say, "I'm upset about this, and I want you to do something about it!" Even that helps. Every little bit helps. My long distance is less than 4 cents a minute so I don't hesitate to pick up the phone and call my Congressman every time I get the urge to.
Agreed, and for that same reason, I am inclined to believe that election fraud should be a capital offense. How many Americans lost their lives for that which is stolen?
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