Skip to comments.Sniper shot that took out an insurgent killer from three quarters of a mile
Posted on 12/31/2005 3:04:24 PM PST by Flavius
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And they raised the most selfish generation.
Don't think that PTSS hasn't been a problem from the very first war. Good men cannot easily forget the horrors they saw.
That has to have made quite a dent in the terrorist population, especially the most dangerous semiskilled ones.
But tactically they aren't always very practical. If the snipers have to more or less keep up with the infantry, be it from vehicles or on foot, that big old .50 gets to be a bit much to lug around. It also gives away your position big time, because of the blast from the muzzle brake.
The Barret, the M-24 that these guys were using, and the M-21 (an accurrized M-14) are all tools of the trade, with each having it's place and function. There's a fair amount of overlap of course.
He may well have used a laser range finder to get it to the nearest meter, rather than the nearest 10 or so, which I would expect from an estimate at that range.
First off, I'm quite angry that any news organization would publish the names of any soldiers in combat, but doing so with the name of a sniper is beyond the pale.
Historically, being a "well known" sniper is a very bad thing, at least, while they're working. Remember that Carlos Hathcock had a bounty placed on his head. And giving the name and home town of a sniper is dispicable.
That said, a shot at that distance with a .308 is really something else. Usually, for those distances, .300 WinMag or .50BMG is used.
Being a sniper takes a very special person. Thank G-d that there are such men who are willing to take on the responsibility.
I wonder if he wasn't using the M24 .300 Winchester Magnum variant. Not that a .308 can't hit at 1,250 yards, the energy at that range is next to nothing.
Those insurgents better look out with military snipers like him. ;o)
But the situation is different now. The snipers aren't sent out on lone missions (lone meaning one team, not one person). They go out with the regular grunts, providing them with local fire support and over-watch. Read Shooter : The Autobiography of the Top-Ranked Marine Sniper
As you can tell by the article, the change in employment tactics has really paid off.
The New York Times ought to be measured for "positive ID and proportionality."
These guys are real heros. There is absolutely no way to count all the lives they have saved. No matter how Al Qaeda trains, they will never have snipers like these men, because they do not kill out of hate, most of them have been hunting since they were small children, and they all have a well developed sense of right and wrong.
The man himself said as much. Still, luck favors the prepared, or in this case native talent and great training.
Sometimes I can't tell if a poster is kidding or not.
ROFL .... I suspect if some rag head turns up in Double Springs, Alabama asking for the Sgt., said rag head is in a world of sh!!. I think the Sgt is safe.
Dude. There aren't that many clicks on a leupold scope, and the further you get from mechanical center (o,o, on the crosshairs) the greater the cumulative error from adjustment.
His training got him close, but I promise you, that shot was all shooter.
Re your #29 - "..., even when velcroed on the front of the vest as this one is."
This strikes me as being a bit odd; that flag patch makes a dandy aiming point for an enemy sniper - almost daring one to take a crack at it.
I don't think I'd do that - at least I'd use a subdued one.
Maybe he just sticks it on for dress up occasions or to get his picture took.
When he's at the office I assume they ditch all that stuff and put on the cammie war paint.
It's important that they see the bad guy before he sees them, obviously.
We've heard that Al Qida (or whoever) has hired a few crack Chechnian Snipers who are really quite proficient with their Dragunov 7.62 X 54Rmm rifles - and that old 1891 vintage round is quite as capable as our 7.62 X 51MM NATO when it comes to dealing death at a distance.
Although they bear a resemblance, the Dragunov (or one of its many derivatives) is NOT an AK-47, nor does it use the same round. The X54R is significantly more powerful than the 7.62 X 39mm used in the Kalisnakov.
If one of those Chechnian boys is tasked to take out some of our best snipers, as well they may be, then I hope our guys keep their heads down and watch their six.
And that we keep 'em in our prayers back here at home.
Maybe they're trying to bait up this "Juba" character.
I say BZ and...
I just had a thought...
You know how they now have game hunting via the Internet? Why doesn't the U.S. Army set up rifles in all the Iraq hot spots and let us taxpayers help them out by picking off insurgents over the Internet every time one of them is dumb enough to get in range? The Army could keep moving the rifles around to keep them guessing.
"Loose lips sink ships."
"ROFL .... I suspect if some rag head turns up in Double Springs, Alabama asking for the Sgt., said rag head is in a world of sh!!. I think the Sgt is safe."
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Al Qaida is busy recruiting European Muslims from the Balkans, so the assassin who shows up to go after not only the Sgt, but perhaps members of his immediate family, need not be a "raghead", and could well speak excellent English as well as visually blending in with the locals.
Of course, the careless disclosure of personal information will continue until something like this happens (or, more likely, several "somethings" almost simultaneously for maximum media impact). Maybe the border will get more attention after that, however, and the security on names and home towns of our troops will tighten up. Maybe.
Well if there is ever a case like that, ping me.
Not completely coincidental IMO. The great generation had hardships most of us can barely imagine much of their lives and wanted to make sure their kids had it easier. But the strategy backfired in many cases, you don't make good steel without a hot fire.
Vietnam sniper slogans
"7.62 - Reach out and touch someone."
".50 Cal. - When you care enough to send the very best."
"Dont try to run. You'll only die tired."
I also would not volunteer to serve under Roggeman. He sounds like he does NOT back up his snipers. He sounds like a total AH. God bless Gilliland and Remington Arms, and Leupold.
You saw a movie in 1937 (68 years ago), and you remembered it, as well as the stars? I was born in 1937 and I can't remember who starred in last nights TV movie. God bless you.
You hang in there, and keep up the practice, and just maybe you can get those patterns down to groups!
"Of course, the careless disclosure of personal information will continue until something like this happens..."
Bingo, and it's not just personal information. There are far too many blabbermouths these days allowing too much information out that people just don't need to know.
Yes I find all the disclosure interesting, but if people keeping their pie holes shut saves a few lives or prolongs the effective lifespan of a multi-gazillion dollar weapon system, I say stop wowing the unwashed and get back to work.
I do have similar perceoptions to you, this all sounds "unreal" or like "hype" , and I am not sure that I believe any of this BS.
"Staff Sgt Gilliland, 28, who hunted squirrels in Double Springs, Alabama from the age of five before progressing to deer - and then people."
Hmm,Alabama?.....first state I heard of that allowed hunting of people. Is that just for residents? Or do they sell out-of state licenses?
I agree absolutely, and apparently so do the US military. The 308 Win. round (7.62 mm Nato) is a very effective round out to posibly 1000 yards.
This absolutely does not pass the "smell test". A miss is a miss. "Inches" are not a problem.
Now this guy can shoot.
I spotted one of my troops in Kuwait City using our teams barrett. His shot was beyond 1000 with a raufaus HEI round, roof top high to a rooftop low target.....it was ugly. Middle of the day, fairly cool , no mirage, zero wind, cloudy, lots of humdity.......one of those kodak moments that stays with ya.....
I carried the M1A that we were issued there vs the M4/203 combo that was available if we wanted it just due the range of the potential targets and the number of mines we rendered safe with a process called small munitions disruption aka SMUD...... The M1A is still my choice of carry as a truck gun to this day. I have a TRW flavored tack driver that I love due it's accuracy then and now.
Hope yer well, may the new year be nice to ya !
I was really disturbed to see names in this article; and I am not really sure this should have been written at all. I am impressed at the job these men do; and understand the need for them- just think this will be twisted around against the military. I also think the men named in this article and possibly their families are now in danger of terrorists hunting them as some point. I can only hope these are not real names.
Check this site out: http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm It only goes out to 1,000 yds (915 m) but is good enough. True the .308 could do it but look at the drop 230" for military match. Would like to see a follow up to see if it was a 7.62 x 51 or a .300 WM.
The Army usually zeros there's out to 300 m while the Marines zero there's out to 700 m. This guys is a country boy from Alabama and probably has worked it up for a long range zero, say 500-700 m plus.
Heeeey man, niiiice goooin'.... Nice shot, man!
LOL! I remember when the Israelis got a terrorist Imam a year or so ago with a rocket from a helicopter. The news reports said there was nothing left of him but his head.
I called the local radio station where the station owner was discussing it on his weekly Saturday morning program and asked the young board operator if he ever heard of that song from Filter. He played it when they cut off for the commercial break.
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