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Sniper shot that took out an insurgent killer from three quarters of a mile
telegraph ^ | 01/01/2006 | Toby Harnden in Ramadi

Posted on 12/31/2005 3:04:24 PM PST by Flavius

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To: skimask

And they raised the most selfish generation.


101 posted on 12/31/2005 7:48:23 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Godebert

Don't think that PTSS hasn't been a problem from the very first war. Good men cannot easily forget the horrors they saw.


102 posted on 12/31/2005 7:49:52 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Flavius
ll told, the 10-strong Shadow sniper team, attached to Task Force 2/69, has killed just under 200 in the same period (5 months).

That has to have made quite a dent in the terrorist population, especially the most dangerous semiskilled ones.

Salute!

103 posted on 12/31/2005 7:50:56 PM PST by El Gato
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To: GarySpFc
Still, I like the snipers using the .50 caliber Barrets. They really reach out and get ya.

But tactically they aren't always very practical. If the snipers have to more or less keep up with the infantry, be it from vehicles or on foot, that big old .50 gets to be a bit much to lug around. It also gives away your position big time, because of the blast from the muzzle brake.

The Barret, the M-24 that these guys were using, and the M-21 (an accurrized M-14) are all tools of the trade, with each having it's place and function. There's a fair amount of overlap of course.

104 posted on 12/31/2005 7:55:56 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Flavius

Nice shot...


105 posted on 12/31/2005 7:57:37 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: tet68
how to tell what the distance was, he didn't look and say mmmmmm ah guess it's about 1232 yards.

He may well have used a laser range finder to get it to the nearest meter, rather than the nearest 10 or so, which I would expect from an estimate at that range.

106 posted on 12/31/2005 7:57:46 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The marlin mr-7 comes with a timney trigger, and if you can find one used you will likely get it for under $300.

I don't think you could get a better shooting rifle for less than $1500
107 posted on 12/31/2005 8:00:14 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Flavius

First off, I'm quite angry that any news organization would publish the names of any soldiers in combat, but doing so with the name of a sniper is beyond the pale.

Historically, being a "well known" sniper is a very bad thing, at least, while they're working. Remember that Carlos Hathcock had a bounty placed on his head. And giving the name and home town of a sniper is dispicable.

That said, a shot at that distance with a .308 is really something else. Usually, for those distances, .300 WinMag or .50BMG is used.

Being a sniper takes a very special person. Thank G-d that there are such men who are willing to take on the responsibility.

Mark


108 posted on 12/31/2005 8:01:29 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Flavius

I wonder if he wasn't using the M24 .300 Winchester Magnum variant. Not that a .308 can't hit at 1,250 yards, the energy at that range is next to nothing.


109 posted on 12/31/2005 8:02:42 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Flavius

Those insurgents better look out with military snipers like him. ;o)


110 posted on 12/31/2005 8:03:56 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Jacquerie
I agree. Gone is his anonymity. It's terrific to know we have snipers dropping these a$$holes. However, I do not think it is in the best interest of the mission or of the individual snipers to disclose their names. Didn't the north Vietnamese offer a reward for the head of Hathcock after his name appeared in a Stars & Stripes article?

But the situation is different now. The snipers aren't sent out on lone missions (lone meaning one team, not one person). They go out with the regular grunts, providing them with local fire support and over-watch. Read Shooter : The Autobiography of the Top-Ranked Marine Sniper

As you can tell by the article, the change in employment tactics has really paid off.

111 posted on 12/31/2005 8:07:52 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Cementjungle
The way I shoot, anything over 50m. is for artillery.
112 posted on 12/31/2005 8:08:07 PM PST by Loud Mime (Build the Border Wall - Enforce the Law)
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To: Flavius
"Every shot has to be measured against the Rules of Engagement [ROE], positive identification and proportionality."

The New York Times ought to be measured for "positive ID and proportionality."

113 posted on 12/31/2005 8:08:35 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Flavius

These guys are real heros. There is absolutely no way to count all the lives they have saved. No matter how Al Qaeda trains, they will never have snipers like these men, because they do not kill out of hate, most of them have been hunting since they were small children, and they all have a well developed sense of right and wrong.


114 posted on 12/31/2005 8:11:16 PM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"And they raised the most selfish generation."

This is true but these youngsters now days don't take second place to anyone. At least we were respectful and had a modicum of courtesy
115 posted on 12/31/2005 8:11:33 PM PST by skimask (I'll march through Hell wearing shorts soaked in gasoline, if needed to get the job done)
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To: Marine_Uncle
But lets face it. It was a luck shot.

The man himself said as much. Still, luck favors the prepared, or in this case native talent and great training.

116 posted on 12/31/2005 8:13:17 PM PST by El Gato
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To: skimask
The barret can cause damage even if the round misses the target. If the round passes within inches of the intended target, it can sever a limb.

Sometimes I can't tell if a poster is kidding or not.

117 posted on 12/31/2005 8:16:44 PM PST by yarddog
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To: ghitma

ROFL .... I suspect if some rag head turns up in Double Springs, Alabama asking for the Sgt., said rag head is in a world of sh!!. I think the Sgt is safe.


118 posted on 12/31/2005 8:21:40 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (I will not support evil just because "It's the Law.")
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To: Lancer_N3502A
A standard 308 at 500 yds. would be aprox. 1500 F.P.E.

I don't have charts that would go to 1200 yds.

Even if it was down to 700 FPE it would still likely knock the stuffing out of them.
119 posted on 12/31/2005 8:21:45 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: tet68

Dude. There aren't that many clicks on a leupold scope, and the further you get from mechanical center (o,o, on the crosshairs) the greater the cumulative error from adjustment.

His training got him close, but I promise you, that shot was all shooter.


120 posted on 12/31/2005 8:25:00 PM PST by papertyger (We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.)
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To: saquin

Re your #29 - "..., even when velcroed on the front of the vest as this one is."

This strikes me as being a bit odd; that flag patch makes a dandy aiming point for an enemy sniper - almost daring one to take a crack at it.

I don't think I'd do that - at least I'd use a subdued one.

Maybe he just sticks it on for dress up occasions or to get his picture took.

When he's at the office I assume they ditch all that stuff and put on the cammie war paint.
It's important that they see the bad guy before he sees them, obviously.

We've heard that Al Qida (or whoever) has hired a few crack Chechnian Snipers who are really quite proficient with their Dragunov 7.62 X 54Rmm rifles - and that old 1891 vintage round is quite as capable as our 7.62 X 51MM NATO when it comes to dealing death at a distance.

Although they bear a resemblance, the Dragunov (or one of its many derivatives) is NOT an AK-47, nor does it use the same round. The X54R is significantly more powerful than the 7.62 X 39mm used in the Kalisnakov.

If one of those Chechnian boys is tasked to take out some of our best snipers, as well they may be, then I hope our guys keep their heads down and watch their six.

And that we keep 'em in our prayers back here at home.


121 posted on 12/31/2005 8:25:00 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: houeto
The photo gives far too much info for my comfort zone. I can't imagine the U.S. military wanting that out but who knows.

Maybe they're trying to bait up this "Juba" character.

122 posted on 12/31/2005 8:30:05 PM PST by papertyger (We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.)
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To: El Gato
" The man himself said as much. Still, luck favors the prepared, or in this case native talent and great training."
And how could I argue with your conclusion. This sargeant knew exactly how many click beyond the range of his scope's elevation to raise the barrel. He obviously is an expert marksmen and deserves full credit. I should have really said this to begin with, for I did not mean to diminish his accomplishment. Being an old vermint hunter and owner of a Remington 700 Custom .243 rifle with fixed 12X scope, I can to some degree appreciate just how good these guys are.
After phrasing things as I did I was sorry I did. Thanks for the required correction.
123 posted on 12/31/2005 8:31:52 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Flavius

I say BZ and...
NEXT!

TT


124 posted on 12/31/2005 8:55:35 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Flavius

I just had a thought...
You know how they now have game hunting via the Internet? Why doesn't the U.S. Army set up rifles in all the Iraq hot spots and let us taxpayers help them out by picking off insurgents over the Internet every time one of them is dumb enough to get in range? The Army could keep moving the rifles around to keep them guessing.


125 posted on 12/31/2005 8:55:38 PM PST by anonsquared
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon; ghitma

"Loose lips sink ships."

"ROFL .... I suspect if some rag head turns up in Double Springs, Alabama asking for the Sgt., said rag head is in a world of sh!!. I think the Sgt is safe."

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Al Qaida is busy recruiting European Muslims from the Balkans, so the assassin who shows up to go after not only the Sgt, but perhaps members of his immediate family, need not be a "raghead", and could well speak excellent English as well as visually blending in with the locals.

Of course, the careless disclosure of personal information will continue until something like this happens (or, more likely, several "somethings" almost simultaneously for maximum media impact). Maybe the border will get more attention after that, however, and the security on names and home towns of our troops will tighten up. Maybe.


126 posted on 12/31/2005 9:32:22 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

Well if there is ever a case like that, ping me.


127 posted on 12/31/2005 9:36:11 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (I will not support evil just because "It's the Law.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"And they raised the most selfish generation."

Not completely coincidental IMO. The great generation had hardships most of us can barely imagine much of their lives and wanted to make sure their kids had it easier. But the strategy backfired in many cases, you don't make good steel without a hot fire.

128 posted on 12/31/2005 9:46:26 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Flavius

Vietnam sniper slogans

"7.62 - Reach out and touch someone."

".50 Cal. - When you care enough to send the very best."

"Dont try to run. You'll only die tired."


129 posted on 12/31/2005 10:06:07 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Audie Murphy, the most decorated soldier from WWII, suffered from PTSD when he came home and had a problem with drugs and alcohol. So did So did Charles (Machine gun) Kelley, a soldier that killed at least 100 Germans single handedly. And like Murphy won the Medal of Honor, in fact, a lot of Medal of Honor winners suffered from PTSD. Back in those days no one called it PTSD, they called it battle fatigue and the government didn't do anything for them because they didn't know it was a problem. A lot of them became drunks and drug abusers and had trouble with the law and holding a job and keeping a family together. A lot of combat veterans have a problem with PTSD in different degrees and they shouldn't be mocked for it.
130 posted on 12/31/2005 10:13:43 PM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: DariusBane

I also would not volunteer to serve under Roggeman. He sounds like he does NOT back up his snipers. He sounds like a total AH. God bless Gilliland and Remington Arms, and Leupold.


131 posted on 12/31/2005 10:22:42 PM PST by de Buillion (King Kong died for your sins!)
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To: Ole Okie

You saw a movie in 1937 (68 years ago), and you remembered it, as well as the stars? I was born in 1937 and I can't remember who starred in last nights TV movie. God bless you.


132 posted on 12/31/2005 10:25:27 PM PST by billhilly
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To: n230099
"I love my .308 but am happy with a saucer sized 20 round (peepsight) group at 100 yds. "

You hang in there, and keep up the practice, and just maybe you can get those patterns down to groups!

133 posted on 12/31/2005 10:33:07 PM PST by de Buillion (King Kong died for your sins!)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

"Of course, the careless disclosure of personal information will continue until something like this happens..."

Bingo, and it's not just personal information. There are far too many blabbermouths these days allowing too much information out that people just don't need to know.

Yes I find all the disclosure interesting, but if people keeping their pie holes shut saves a few lives or prolongs the effective lifespan of a multi-gazillion dollar weapon system, I say stop wowing the unwashed and get back to work.


134 posted on 12/31/2005 10:42:39 PM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: joem15

I do have similar perceoptions to you, this all sounds "unreal" or like "hype" , and I am not sure that I believe any of this BS.


135 posted on 12/31/2005 11:11:46 PM PST by de Buillion (King Kong died for your sins!)
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To: Flavius

"Staff Sgt Gilliland, 28, who hunted squirrels in Double Springs, Alabama from the age of five before progressing to deer - and then people."

Hmm,Alabama?.....first state I heard of that allowed hunting of people. Is that just for residents? Or do they sell out-of state licenses?


136 posted on 12/31/2005 11:17:08 PM PST by RouxStir (Peaceful Muslim?.....The Ultimate Oxymoron.)
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To: Flavius
"A single shot hit the Iraqi in the chest and killed him instantly."

Great Shot!

...but the "killed instantly" part seems a little hard to believe. The now-deceased Islamofacist could have been on the pavement, fully conscious, contemplating how he had been "paid back in full" for a minute or two before bleeding-out.
137 posted on 12/31/2005 11:27:08 PM PST by indthkr
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To: skimask
"The Remmington model 700 rifle is probablly the best all around rifle made. "

I agree absolutely, and apparently so do the US military. The 308 Win. round (7.62 mm Nato) is a very effective round out to posibly 1000 yards.

138 posted on 12/31/2005 11:33:54 PM PST by de Buillion (King Kong died for your sins!)
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To: yarddog
"Sometimes I can't tell if a poster is kidding or not. "

This absolutely does not pass the "smell test". A miss is a miss. "Inches" are not a problem.

139 posted on 12/31/2005 11:53:57 PM PST by de Buillion (King Kong died for your sins!)
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To: LasVegasMac
Tree rats are tricky little varmints, but cook up good with biscuits and speckled gravy.
140 posted on 01/01/2006 12:03:30 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: USNBandit
h, when did this occur?
141 posted on 01/01/2006 12:07:29 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Squantos
My longest 'confirmed' was less than 600 meters out. My second was just a hair under 400.

Now this guy can shoot.

L

142 posted on 01/01/2006 12:15:38 AM PST by Lurker (You don't let a pack of wolves into the house just because they're related to the family dog.)
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To: Lurker

I spotted one of my troops in Kuwait City using our teams barrett. His shot was beyond 1000 with a raufaus HEI round, roof top high to a rooftop low target.....it was ugly. Middle of the day, fairly cool , no mirage, zero wind, cloudy, lots of humdity.......one of those kodak moments that stays with ya.....

I carried the M1A that we were issued there vs the M4/203 combo that was available if we wanted it just due the range of the potential targets and the number of mines we rendered safe with a process called small munitions disruption aka SMUD...... The M1A is still my choice of carry as a truck gun to this day. I have a TRW flavored tack driver that I love due it's accuracy then and now.

Hope yer well, may the new year be nice to ya !


143 posted on 01/01/2006 12:30:22 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Flavius
"the Iraqi insurgent who had just killed an American soldier. His quarry stood nonchalantly"

This news item has a touch of typical anti-US Brit arrogance to it. The idea presented is that terrorists kill US Troops easy and stand around "nonchalantly".

I really doubt that was the case. Obviously this terrorist was waiting for another American to come help the first and get a second kill. I seriously don't believe he was just standing there "nonchalantly".

Americans have to be on guard around idiot UK journalists as much as they have to be on guard around terrorists, both will take a cheap shot.
144 posted on 01/01/2006 12:43:21 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: M Kehoe
Oh, Col Gronski one other thing. I can't find the word "emplacers" anywhere.

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&complete=1&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=define%3Aemplace&btnG=Search

145 posted on 01/01/2006 1:13:45 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: al baby

I was really disturbed to see names in this article; and I am not really sure this should have been written at all. I am impressed at the job these men do; and understand the need for them- just think this will be twisted around against the military. I also think the men named in this article and possibly their families are now in danger of terrorists hunting them as some point. I can only hope these are not real names.


146 posted on 01/01/2006 1:49:58 AM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Beagle8U

Check this site out: http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm It only goes out to 1,000 yds (915 m) but is good enough. True the .308 could do it but look at the drop 230" for military match. Would like to see a follow up to see if it was a 7.62 x 51 or a .300 WM.


147 posted on 01/01/2006 2:25:52 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: papertyger

The Army usually zeros there's out to 300 m while the Marines zero there's out to 700 m. This guys is a country boy from Alabama and probably has worked it up for a long range zero, say 500-700 m plus.


148 posted on 01/01/2006 2:28:13 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Uncle Jaque
"We've heard that Al Qida (or whoever) has hired a few crack Chechnian Snipers"

According to the buzz your correct. We've got a bit of a sniper war going on and have sent in some of our best.
149 posted on 01/01/2006 2:30:46 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Southack
I say hey man "Nice Shot!"

Heeeey man, niiiice goooin'.... Nice shot, man!

LOL! I remember when the Israelis got a terrorist Imam a year or so ago with a rocket from a helicopter. The news reports said there was nothing left of him but his head.

I called the local radio station where the station owner was discussing it on his weekly Saturday morning program and asked the young board operator if he ever heard of that song from Filter. He played it when they cut off for the commercial break.

150 posted on 01/01/2006 2:58:24 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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