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Beltway vs. Blogosphere (Democrats Vs Bloggers)
Newsweek ^ | By Howard Fineman

Posted on 01/01/2006 9:17:39 AM PST by F14 Pilot

Democrats are struggling to reconcile the differences between party leaders in D.C. and independent activists on the Net

If I am hearing Simon Rosenberg right (and he is worth listening to), a nasty civil war is brewing within the Democratic Party, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton—the party’s presumptive 2008 nominee—needs to avoid getting caught in the middle of it.

“It’s not a fight between liberals and conservatives,” Rosenberg told me the other day. “It’s between our ‘governing class’ here and activists everywhere else.”

In other words, it’s the Beltway versus the Blogosphere.

What’s interesting is that Rosenberg is himself a Beltway creature, a preternaturally self-assured young insider with a cherubic face and a cold smile. He heads a group called the New Democratic Network and ran his own campaign for DNC chair. But the names he utters with reverence are net-based: organizers such as Eli Pariser and bloggers such as Daily Kos and Atrios.

Rosenberg rejects that notion that the bloggers represent a new “Internet Left.” It’s not an ideological rift, he says, but a “narrative” of independence versus capitulation: too many Democrats here are too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it. “What the blogs have developed is a narrative,” he told me the other day,” and the narrative is that the official Washington party has become like Vichy France.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: angryleft; beltway; blog; bloggers; blogosphere; democrats; fineman; internetleft; lefties; vichyfrance

1 posted on 01/01/2006 9:17:40 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot

“It’s between our ‘governing class’ here and activists everywhere else.”

What a telling statement this is.


2 posted on 01/01/2006 9:21:01 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: F14 Pilot

pMSNBC doesn't like my dial-up.

Does Fineman actually 'get it' in this article?


3 posted on 01/01/2006 9:23:49 AM PST by digger48
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To: F14 Pilot

Amusing. . .the activists think the Democrats aren't far ENOUGH to the left.

Here's to the coming civil war amongst the Dems. . . . .and may the Bloggers win.

Because the farther left the Dems go. . .the more elections they'll lose . . .


4 posted on 01/01/2006 9:27:45 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: F14 Pilot
Too many “governing” Democrats, he says, wrongly assume that their party’s traditional vision of “competent, benevolent government” has been rejected by the voters.

Did anyone ever believe that Democrats offered “competent, benevolent government”?

So9

5 posted on 01/01/2006 9:30:55 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Salgak

The Dems are right to be more afraid of their own extremists than they are of right wingers...if I were a Dem, I'd be scared of anyone calling themselves "progressive"--


6 posted on 01/01/2006 9:34:13 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: F14 Pilot

"too many Democrats here are too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it."

More cluelessness.
This president and administration has been savaged like no
other in recent memory. Loyal opposition? One nation?
Not based on the democrats behavior over the last 5 years.
God save us from these people.


7 posted on 01/01/2006 9:37:09 AM PST by CheneyClone
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To: F14 Pilot

I will bet you that left wing bloggers will eventually end up on the government payroll. Probably be paid $ 75,000 plus benefits.


8 posted on 01/01/2006 9:38:48 AM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: Mamzelle
This is beautiful. I think. On one hand it should knock Hillary off the throne, but in the end could it elevate someone like Warner of VA, who would have broader appeal?

Instincts tell me to follow the money, which is George Soros, who is likely behind the lefty fringe. I smell huge Dem losses, especially when W nationalizes the midterms with national security issues.

TAGLINE

9 posted on 01/01/2006 9:43:58 AM PST by chiller (every time you call MSM "mainstream" or "lamestream" you confirm their status. "OLD Media" please.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Sounds as though the Dems are trying to re-invent themselves . . . . . . just as soon as they figure out what they believe in. Recent history suggests that the USA is not among their core beliefs.


10 posted on 01/01/2006 9:44:17 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Salgak
Amusing. . .the activists think the Democrats aren't far ENOUGH to the left.

Ironic.

Here's to the coming civil war amongst the Dems. . . . .and may the Bloggers win.

Because the farther left the Dems go. . .the more elections they'll lose . . .


Also, any event that weakens Beltway clout is good by definition, IMHO.
11 posted on 01/01/2006 9:46:30 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: Servant of the 9
Did anyone ever believe that Democrats offered “competent, benevolent government”?

Only themselves.

12 posted on 01/01/2006 9:47:33 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Servant of the 9
"Did anyone ever believe that Democrats offered “competent, benevolent government”?"

Typo. I think they meant incompetent and malevolent government. Dumb AND evil.

13 posted on 01/01/2006 9:51:36 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: F14 Pilot

"The First Battle of Bull Run (or First Manassas, if you insist) in this civil war occurred in 2003 and early 2004, when party insiders, the Mainstream Media and a network of long-time “funders” anointed Sen. John Kerry, only to see him get chewed up in the early going by Gov. Howard Dean."

And they didn't learn the lesson of Dean's self-immolation - that even the wimps in the Old Media are turned off by the high-pitched lunacy of the "progressive" fringe.


14 posted on 01/01/2006 9:59:11 AM PST by happyathome
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To: All
It's significant that the leader of Iran and the agitators of the former traditional, patriotic Democrat (now the Rat) Party constantly use Nazi comparisons.

They are alike in many ways. Only true believers may be tolerated everyone else is an infidel -- Germany's National Socialists are agreed upon as the most evil thus so are the infidels.

. [Sheehan] came to prominence -- quickly, virally, seemingly from out of nowhere

Skid marks on underpants could come to prominence quickly with the servile, fawning promotion of the MSM.

What's needed? The Rats answer: More agitation, more stirring up. More Leninist tactics: unforgiving toughness and a mastery of new means of communications. . .the key is not ideological purity but combativeness

More and more the Rats speak in revolutionary rhetoric. Give it back to them, Mr. President Lincoln.. er, I mean Bush.

15 posted on 01/01/2006 10:36:28 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: F14 Pilot

I'll put $50 on the Dem Psychotosphere...


16 posted on 01/01/2006 10:38:23 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Salgak

"and may the Bloggers win.

Because the farther left the Dems go. . .the more elections they'll lose "

Howard Dean is the face of the activist Democrat internet party. One can only hope for more rantings from this loon.


17 posted on 01/01/2006 10:42:19 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: digger48

Comes in OK here. I'm at 50.6 Kbps.


18 posted on 01/01/2006 10:57:35 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: F14 Pilot
Fineman on Sheehan:

It was the WAY she came to prominence—quickly, virally, seemingly from out of nowhere—and her stubbornly confrontational tone. In Rosenberg’s view, that’s the tone Democrats need to adopt now, especially after Hurricane Katrina.

Oh yeah. America just loves hearing the voice of a developmentally disabled 12 year old girl come out of the body of a 50 year old woman. That must be why she had tens of thousands of people showing up at her book signing.

Cindy who?

19 posted on 01/01/2006 10:59:44 AM PST by jess35
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To: happyathome

I love the sound of Liberals self-immolating in the morning ....

sounds like .... victory ....


20 posted on 01/01/2006 11:15:50 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: F14 Pilot
“It’s between our ‘governing class’ here and activists everywhere else.”

Truer than the speaker imagines. The extremist wish to make civil governance impossible and indictable.

21 posted on 01/01/2006 11:43:29 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: F14 Pilot
There's no war. The left knows that Hillie's lying through her teeth about being a centrist, and they'll be more than happy to vote for her. This is all about persuading the red bits how Hillie isn't really a lefty after all. Nice try, but they'll find folks a lot harder to hose nowadays.
22 posted on 01/01/2006 11:46:23 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
Hillary, The Great Left Hope.


The American Conservative Union - Worst of the Worst

Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE)

Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)

John R. Edwards (D-NC)

Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA)

John F. Kerry (D-MA)

Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ)

Carl Levin (D-MI)

Joseph Lieberman (D-CT)

Jack Reed (D-RI)

Paul S. Sarbanes (D-MD)

23 posted on 01/01/2006 2:23:44 PM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: canuck_conservative






24 posted on 01/01/2006 2:49:37 PM PST by devolve (<-- (-in a manner reminiscent of Senator Gasbag F. Kohnman-)
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To: rightwinggoth

Yup that statement says it all. Ironically the GOP is having the same problem with its base. We actually want conservatives to be conservative.

No matter which side of the aisle folks in Washington are upset that the rabble has somehow commandeered the microphone.


25 posted on 01/01/2006 5:41:01 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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