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Question: Has a democratic nation ever declared war on another democratic nation?

Posted on 01/01/2006 10:15:01 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

I'd heard somewhere that a country that has a democratically elected govt has never attacked another country with a democratically elected govt. Is this so? Or does this all depend on what the meaning of "democratically elected" is?


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To: A. Pole

Just kidding. I guess.

Regarding democracies you may be right - there haven't been that many for very long, so who knows. I would say though that democracies make it less likely that one will go to war against another, due to the open process of policymaking.


101 posted on 01/01/2006 4:52:14 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: No Truce With Kings
Well . . . We declared war on Great Britain in 1812.

LOL.... There's history fouling up a perfectly good point of view again.
102 posted on 01/01/2006 4:59:53 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Let's invade France.

Lets give the muslims a chance to purge it first.
103 posted on 01/01/2006 5:00:48 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: chudogg

True. didn't pancho villa cross the border into NM and attack some border town. Then Woodrow Wilson send Blackjack down there on the hunt.


104 posted on 01/01/2006 7:32:50 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: InvisibleChurch

Yes. It was called the War of Northern Agression.


105 posted on 01/01/2006 7:40:09 PM PST by TaxRelief ("Whatever happens at CPAC, stays at CPAC!.")
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To: Age of Reason

Yup, the most prominent example being how the weak and feckless Weimar Republic fell to the Nazis.


106 posted on 01/01/2006 8:22:45 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: InvisibleChurch

Hitler was democratically elected and in 1939 he attacked the democratically elected government of Poland.


107 posted on 01/01/2006 9:24:10 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: hubbubhubbub

I was referring to the Mexican American War where Mexico crossed the Rio Grande and attacked Fort Brown beginning the hostilities.

I dont think Gen Pershing's hunt for Pancho Villa was any action against the Mexican Government.


108 posted on 01/01/2006 9:52:17 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: ThePythonicCow
The American Civil War doesn't count as an exception, because the Northern states conclusively demonstrated that they were not willing to be voted out of their dominant role in the Union of states. Had they been willing to be voted out, the South would gladly have seceded and gone their merry way, as they thought was their right to do all along.

That's really odd logic. The South seceded because the people's fear of slavery spreading prompted the mass election of Republicans and Abraham Lincoln who ran on Anti-Slavery platforms, and the loss of slave states controlling the Senate. I think that was the demonstation of being voted out of a dominant role

I would agree that is doesn't count as an exception, but because the Southern States democratically agreed to secede and attack federal properties before legal agreements could be reached.

109 posted on 01/01/2006 10:02:45 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: InvisibleChurch
You probably figured out that it's a bit of a definitional game when you use the phrase "democracy," but if you're really going to get picky, yes - Athens vs. Megara, 431 BC. What do I win?

OKOKOK, the point is that such conflicts, while not inconceivable, are exceedingly rare...

110 posted on 01/01/2006 10:17:26 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: chudogg
<grin>

Yup - likely so. My mind works in odd ways. I've ceased to worry much about it. Feel free to discard whatever doesn't make sense.

111 posted on 01/01/2006 10:45:52 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The distrust of authority is a deeply destructive force in the hands of evil men.)
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To: Hank Rearden
no two nations with McDonalds restaurants have ever gone to war with each other

No blood for Big Macs!
112 posted on 01/02/2006 2:32:53 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: Zeroisanumber

The Confederacy in fact had regularly conducted elections throughout the Civil War. Davis was elected president in Feb. 1861 by the 1st Confederate Congress, and in Nov. 1861 he was elected by the voters, unopposed, in a Confederacy-wide election. Congressional elections were held in the various southern states in every year from 1861-65, and they were all as "democratic" as any election that had gone on before, and as "democratic" as those going on in the north at this time.

Bottom line--the Confederacy was a democracy. And the Civil War was a war between 2 democracies.


113 posted on 01/02/2006 8:30:52 AM PST by CivilWarguy
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To: Billthedrill

I'm glad I didn't ask about Olympic game winners or we'd be arguing how fast Testicles ran the 100 yard dash being timed by a sun dial.


114 posted on 01/02/2006 8:43:55 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (The search for someone to blame is always successful. - Robert Half)
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To: A. Pole

It is not debatable. The south fired on Ft. Sumpter. The south took over federal property, by force.

Just Facts.


115 posted on 01/02/2006 6:06:52 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: A. Pole

That is true. The amazing thing is the kind of debates the AustrioHungarian parliment used to have. Mark Twain could do so well!


116 posted on 01/02/2006 6:08:37 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: Donald Meaker
It is not debatable. The south fired on Ft. Sumpter. The south took over federal property, by force. Just Facts.

OK, so North had a justification.

You gave me the idea. Possibly the key reason between democracies/republics or monarchies/dictatorships is that in the first you need justification for the war while can start wars at his leisure.

So the democracies will either go to war after being attacked but if they lack this reason, they can still fabricate or provoke some incident. If this is true, then the every or almost every offensive war waged by the democratic state is started that way.

On the other hand the power of the leader to start war arbitrarily would be the indication that the country is evolving toward the monarchy.

117 posted on 01/02/2006 7:20:29 PM PST by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

The US declared war on the Confederacy.


118 posted on 01/02/2006 7:46:40 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: A. Pole

Hitler fabricated a polish attack on a radio station.

FDR had justification to fight the Japanese, after Pearl Harbor.

Republics have diffused power. That means, to start a war, a fairly large number of people must agree that war is the best alternative. Rather like having a jury with 200 folks in it. There will always be some people who don't want to go to war. One Senator voted against both the declaration of war for both WWI and WWII. But most people, in both cases, were convinced.


119 posted on 01/08/2006 10:16:40 AM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: BobScott

Wow -- 7 months.

Quite a post delay. Browser problems? ;)


121 posted on 08/01/2006 3:22:34 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Hitler was democratically elected, so the answer is "yes".


122 posted on 08/01/2006 3:24:01 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: InvisibleChurch

Oh come on, people. You don't have to resort to quibbling over the U.S. civil war to come up with examples of democracies declaring war on other democracies.

England declared war on Finland in 1939 and Syria declared war on Israel in 1973 - all of which were democracies with elected leaders at the time.

That's just two off the top of my head, there are probably others that aren't occurring to me.


123 posted on 08/02/2006 12:29:02 PM PDT by nasor (two obvious counter-examples)
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To: Hank Rearden

Pakistan and India!

Both have Mcdonalds!


124 posted on 08/02/2006 12:31:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: No Truce With Kings

The Britain of 1812 had extremely limited voting rights.

"The last king that believed Britain was a monarchy had the government disagree with him to the point where he lost his head over the issue."

I don't call Oliver Cromwell's regime a democracy.


125 posted on 08/02/2006 12:32:14 PM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: patton; Lazamataz; Argh; VRWCmember; Harmless Teddy Bear; InvisibleChurch; No Truce With Kings
I would use Argentina fighting Britain over the Falklands in the mid-80's as the ONLY two (legitimately democratic) governments going to war since the War of 1812.

And at that, I'm not altogether sure that the two actually 'declared war" .... More like, the Brit's simply "responded in kind" to the Argentines actual (undeclared) invasion, and neither actually got around to the actual paperwork of "declaring war".
126 posted on 08/02/2006 12:37:07 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Donald Meaker

OK, so the South fired on Sumter.

Did the South actually "declare war"?


127 posted on 08/02/2006 12:38:34 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: InvisibleChurch; Billthedrill
I'm glad I didn't ask about Olympic game winners or we'd be arguing how fast Testicles ran the 100 yard dash being timed by a sun dial.

You didn't miss much.

The whole Testicles race was a big flop. (He came in the second position, jest behind the other guys who came behind.)
128 posted on 08/02/2006 12:42:21 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Democracy is MOB RULE... therefore the idea is pure bull squeeze... Mob Rule is mostly tribal.. or "gangal" even sophisicated western countrys have "tribes" each neighborhood have a dominate gang.. and a few others.. Nazi's were just a gang.. as is Sharia Law..

Democracy is very primitive.. far beneath the Republic America was designed as.. Canada and URP has not noticed this fact to this day.. They have no idea they are primitive society's.. tribal in essence and Mob Rule in design.. Pity....

129 posted on 08/02/2006 12:42:25 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: krb; patton
Funny thing is, if Hitler did NOT declare war on th US, Churchill and FDR would have had a real hard time trying to figure out a way to actually get the US into a fighting war against Germany.

My guess?

FDR would have "aided Britain in their fight against Japan" .... by reinforcing London and Portsmouth and Gibraltar and Alexandria and Hafia and Malta and Iceland "against Japanese aggression" with American troops, ships, and arms.
130 posted on 08/02/2006 12:47:23 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

That reminds me of a scene from Cheers, when Cliffy says to the British guest (played by John Cleese): "Next time you need help against a major military power like Argentina let us know and we'll bail your butts out of the fire just like we did in the two big ones."


131 posted on 08/02/2006 2:33:35 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Any entity in which half the population are disenfranchised slaves cannot be a democracy. Strike the American Civil War from your list.


132 posted on 08/02/2006 2:35:21 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Argentina was ruled by General Galtieri's junta in 1982. It only became a democracy subsequent to the Malvinas/Falklands war.


133 posted on 08/02/2006 2:36:28 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

Thank you!


134 posted on 08/02/2006 2:37:15 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: VRWCmember; patton; Doohickey; theDentist
"Next time you need help against a major military power like Argentina let us know and we'll bail your butts out of the fire just like we did in the two big ones."

ya know, the Brit's would have lost 1/3 their fleet to (exploding) Argentine bombs ..... if we had merely told the Argentine Air Force how to fuze the US-porvided bombs for low-level operations.

We er "forgot" to tell them how to do that, (actually, we simply "forgot" to tell the Argentines what the problem was with all their dud bombs when we found they were dropping them from only 50-100 feet altitude) and by doing that, saved the Brit fleet from annihilation.
135 posted on 08/02/2006 2:41:54 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

That was a tough spot for the US - greatest ally, UK, violates the monroe doctrine...


136 posted on 08/02/2006 2:49:31 PM PDT by patton (LGOPs = head toward the noise, kill anyone not dressed like you.)
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To: Alter Kaker

That is a good point, thank you.


137 posted on 08/02/2006 4:35:40 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Crazier than a rattlesnake at a Thai wedding)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Does your inquiry concern itself with all history?


138 posted on 08/02/2006 4:38:14 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

Yes.


139 posted on 08/02/2006 5:31:15 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (No.... wire .... hangers!)
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To: nasor
England declared war on Finland in 1939

Uh.....no......the USSR declared war on Finland in 1939.

140 posted on 08/02/2006 6:00:44 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: Castlebar
I might have gotten the year wrong - but England did declare war on Finland around the beginning of WWII.
141 posted on 08/03/2006 6:50:00 AM PDT by nasor (two obvious counter-examples)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
I would question your classifying Argentina as a democracy. IIRC a junta of generals were running things at that time.
142 posted on 08/05/2006 9:16:01 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: InvisibleChurch

hi


143 posted on 01/28/2007 5:43:30 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Nothing ruins a good buzz like a moment of clarity.)
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