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Catholic saint named among top 10 'worst Britons' by BBC magazine
Total Catholic ^ | December 30, 2005

Posted on 01/02/2006 12:46:30 AM PST by presidio9

Edited on 01/02/2006 12:58:14 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: Ed Thomas; presidio9

Now how can these sherry-sucking dons so blithely skip over Guy Burgess, Kim Philby, Blunt and the others in the Oxbridge Pansy Commie Ring, who wanted to blow Blighty off the face of the Earth?


41 posted on 01/02/2006 9:22:43 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: presidio9
Apparently it's neither a poll nor a consensus of historians. It looks like they just asked ten historians to choose the worst Briton in each of the centuries they studied. So the guy who hates Becket nominates and elects him in one stroke. He settles his score and gets his name in the papers.

It doesn't look like there's much more to it than that, though the historian in question may have a sharp secular axe to grind against a British saint. I don't know enough about Becket and medieval Britain to have an opinion, but it does looke like a low blow to someone who stood against a centralized authority.

Mosely was an easy, too obvious choice, but a good case could certainly be made for him as worst 20th century Briton. He wasn't much compared to 20th century villains in other countries, but maybe that's only because Hitler didn't take over Britain. If events had been a little different Oswald Mosely could have been Britain's Quisling or Petain.

In terms of actual effect on the country there could well have been worse Britons than Mosely in those days. Was he really worse than a Philby or Blunt, for example? But as the leader of a movement, Mosely gets more blame than a run-of-the-mill political agitator or follower of Hitler or Stalin or spy. Given their talents, advantages and position more was expected of Mosely, or Edward VIII, than of less exalted figures, just as more was expected of Blunt or Maclean than of a streetcorner agitator. It's harder to excuse the rot at the top of society than at the middle or bottom, at least until things get out of hand down there.

The BBC "survey" is a pretty silly enterprise though. If Cumberland, the ravager of Scotland, was the worst Briton of the 18th century, why not name another imperialist for one of the other centuries? Why settle for Jack the Ripper, an easy -- though understandable -- choice? Why not Cromwell or the Rhodes, those who dithered while Ireland starved or conquered China for the opium trade?

42 posted on 01/02/2006 10:04:03 AM PST by x
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To: Kenny Bunk

Actually, Philby or somebody isn't a bad contender now I come to think of it- would be better the Mosley anyway.

(FWIW BTW, port rather then sherry is the tipple of choice in these situations...)


43 posted on 01/02/2006 10:45:00 AM PST by Ed Thomas
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To: Brian Allen

It's always nice to see your temperate and original contributions- when I read the section about the 'squalidly-fascissocialistic offshore satellite state' (do you have that phrase permenently on your clipboard ready for pasting by the way?) I find that it helps to imagine that you suffer from a lisp. Hours of fun, you must try it!


44 posted on 01/02/2006 10:53:08 AM PST by Ed Thomas
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To: presidio9
Where is Freddie on that list?


45 posted on 01/02/2006 10:56:38 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: presidio9
The cat votes for this guy (guy?)


46 posted on 01/02/2006 10:58:39 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Kenny Bunk
Kenny Bunk wrote:
A "Saint," is someone officially recognized as definitely (probably ... in all likelihood, etc.)having gone to Heaven.

Now I'm confused... Why are so many books of the Bible written to people in Heaven? That's just weird.

47 posted on 01/02/2006 10:59:48 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: vbmoneyspender

ROFLMAO!!


48 posted on 01/02/2006 11:00:21 AM PST by lawgirl (Every vow I ever take is just pretending that this mess I make is worth defending...</bnl>)
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To: presidio9

49 posted on 01/02/2006 11:03:57 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: moonman
LOL!!

Happy New Year!

50 posted on 01/02/2006 11:04:09 AM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: docbnj
Your choice of Bomber Harris is interesting.

Please explain.

Thanks.

51 posted on 01/02/2006 11:09:13 AM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
This list doesn't include Cromwell and Henry VIII, two of British history's great murderers??

'ow can ye talk 'bout good ole Henry that way? The Pope gave 'im the title "Defender of the Faith", afterall.
52 posted on 01/02/2006 11:12:45 AM PST by seowulf
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To: Havoc
The Britons made a decision on what they determined was Catholic Meddling and threw Rome out of the British Isles. I'm sure that's the generic version of it; but, it was their right to do so.

What right did they have to throw Christ's Church out of Britain? Do the rights of the State supersede those of the Church?

53 posted on 01/02/2006 11:14:46 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Tao Yin

Look at the name. "Saint" means simply a Holy person, someone who is near to God. Since God is everywhere, then the people "near" HIM are also everywhere.


54 posted on 01/02/2006 11:20:34 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: presidio9
I picture John Hudson, eminent in his mind only, drumming his fingers on the 14th century oak table in his library, staring appreciatively at his roaring fire (12th century) and his extensive collection of first editions (you can put any century in you'd like).

"Hmmm...wonder what I can do to get some face time? What controversy can I (and my publicist) stir up that will ensure my lifelong tenure at University's expense? Gee, ya think some dumb Yank will want me to fly out to Los Angeles for a talk show?"

"Eureka! I've got it! I'll pick on a Catholic...Catholic bashing is so in this year!"

"Hmmm...maybe I should get the grey touched up....a tan...yes, that's it, I'll get a tan!"

55 posted on 01/02/2006 11:24:25 AM PST by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves!)
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To: Aquinasfan

Havoc implies that the English Reformation was a popular uprising. If history makes anything clear, it was that it was a revolution from the top. The king and his councilors made the choice and then imposed their will on the people at large. The closest thing to a populare uprsing was the Pilgrimage of Grace, which was squelched because of the people's loyalty to the House of Tudor. They didn't know that the king was behind the dirty work of his ministers.


56 posted on 01/02/2006 11:25:16 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Tao Yin
Now I'm confused

Tao, your confusion probably due to reading Aramaic boustrophodontically. People in Heaven doan be needin' no Bibles. T'other way round.

57 posted on 01/02/2006 11:30:13 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: Ed Thomas
ROFL!!
58 posted on 01/02/2006 11:31:03 AM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: Triggerhippie
Wow, no Guy Fawkes? How did he not make the list?

I was surprised about his omission as well. I think they picked one person per century. I wonder who outdid him in his century?

59 posted on 01/02/2006 11:32:53 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: MeekMom
A saint cannot be a catholic, they must be a Christian only.

MeekMom, would you PLEASE preface that remark with "According to my beliefs...."? I am a Catholic and I cannot tell you how much I resent your implication that Catholics cannot be Saints (honey, we invented that game!) and that Catholics are not Christians (Hmmmm....I think we invented THAT game also!)

Please note: I did not ask you what brand of religion you practice, and I would never attempt to tell you how to practice it, or what to believe, or even if you are Christian. Your obvious disdain for Catholicism adds nothing to the discussion at hand.

Pax

60 posted on 01/02/2006 11:38:18 AM PST by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves!)
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