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To: presidio9

Well for a start, the BBC didn't select these people- a panel of historians did. As for Mosley- Well, he was a pretty nasty piece of work. I'm not sure even he deserves the title though as he never had that much impact on British politics once he left Labour in 1930... I can't say I find Chamberlain a credible candidate either- being out of ones depth and deluded on a single issue isn't enough in my opinion. What's needed is a figure who was persistantly wrong on a whole range of issues over a long period of time, always on hand to bugger things up at the slightest opportunity.

I'd go for somebody like Edward VIII myself- he managed to spark a consitutional crisis through being a selfish idiot, and was altogether a little too cosy for comfort with Hitler aftwerwards. Or, one of the trade union leaders of the 70's- Jakc Jones, "Red Robbo" or similar. The amount of damage any of those three did to Britain was far greater then Mosley, who although a bete noire was never a threat.

As a side note, it's nice to see Dr Adamson in there- he's a tutor of mine and bloody good on early modern history.


14 posted on 01/02/2006 4:43:41 AM PST by Ed Thomas
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To: Ed Thomas; presidio9

<< I'd go for somebody like Edward VIII myself- he managed to spark a consitutional crisis through being a selfish idiot, and was altogether a little too cosy for comfort with Hitler aftwerwards. Or, one of the trade union leaders of the 70's- Jakc Jones, "Red Robbo" or similar. The amount of damage any of those three did to Britain was far greater then Mosley, who although a bete noire was never a threat. >>

Clement Atlee would be a good pick, too and a geurnsey goes to Snatcher 'Hong Kong' Snatcher, whose son and members of whose cabinet profited obscenely from her craven surrender into serfdom and slavery of Once-FRee-British Hong Kong's seven and a half million Once FRee British Hong Kong Citizens and their Trillions of Dollars of wealth ranks up there with Churchill's Gallipoli campaign and surrender of Singapore and Churchill's and Roosevelt's 1945 surrender of all of Eastern Europe's subsequent slaves to the gulags and to Stalin's Soviets' surrogate slaughterers.

But Mosley was more an eccentric dickhead than ever a threat and if the only measure of a society was its treatment of its eccentrics, Britain, rather than having degenerated into a squalidly-fascissocialistic offshore satellite state of the other Europeons' neo-Soviet, would have ever been up there with the best of nations.


30 posted on 01/02/2006 7:28:07 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Ed Thomas; presidio9

Now how can these sherry-sucking dons so blithely skip over Guy Burgess, Kim Philby, Blunt and the others in the Oxbridge Pansy Commie Ring, who wanted to blow Blighty off the face of the Earth?


41 posted on 01/02/2006 9:22:43 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: Ed Thomas; Brian Allen

The two of you are making the same mistake. If Becket makes the list for an idea, then certainly Chamberlain deserves notice for a terrible miscalculation. I challenge you to come up with a more worthy 20th century figure. And you have not yet done so.


74 posted on 01/02/2006 1:03:01 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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