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Venezuela President Chavez Makes Anti-Semitic Speech ["Christ-Killers" reference]
Mideast Dispatches ^ | 1/2/06 | Tom Gross

Posted on 01/02/2006 1:32:36 PM PST by TFFKAMM

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez announced in a Christmas speech that “the descendants of those who crucified Christ” have appropriated the riches of the world.

Speaking at a rehabilitation center on December 24, the controversial left-wing president said “the descendants of those who crucified Christ... have taken ownership of the riches of the world, a minority has taken ownership of the gold of the world, the silver, the minerals, water, the good lands, petrol, well, the riches, and they have concentrated the riches in a small number of hands.”

For Spanish speakers on this list, the full speech can be found at [this site]. (The remarks about Jews are on page 18.)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; chavez; cindysheehan; farleft; hugochavez; jews; latinamerica; left; michaelmoore; moonbat; oil; venezuela

1 posted on 01/02/2006 1:32:38 PM PST by TFFKAMM
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To: TFFKAMM

I am shocked I tell ya, that a Marxist like Chavez would be an anti-semite./ sarcasm on!


2 posted on 01/02/2006 1:33:58 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: TFFKAMM
...controversial left-wing president...

Haven't you noticed that they are willing to call communists like Chavez "left wing" but people who are truly left wing, like Kennedy and Clinton are rarely if ever given that moniker?!

3 posted on 01/02/2006 1:35:16 PM PST by Tamar1973 (There's NOTHING I need at 5 a.m., except more sleep!!!!!)
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To: TFFKAMM
So another socialist shows his true colors. When will they start seizing the property of Jews, making them wear stars, and putting them into rail cars and ovens? Just remember the Nazis were socialists too. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche ArbeiterPartei
4 posted on 01/02/2006 1:36:23 PM PST by GuineaRabbit
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To: TFFKAMM

What in the world is going on? This is like a concerted effort to slander the Jews. Time for round 2 in the war on terror...no, no sit this one out Europe, you'll only hurt yourselves. You too Canada.


5 posted on 01/02/2006 1:39:38 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: TFFKAMM

Statue of Venezuela's founding father unveiled in Tehran in presence of Chavez

6 posted on 01/02/2006 1:39:42 PM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: TFFKAMM
petrol

So. We can blame it all on him. Right?

7 posted on 01/02/2006 1:39:54 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: TFFKAMM

Are we surprised? Nazis and Communists are twins born from the same historical womb.

Mussolini was a card-carrying Communist before he was a Fascist. Hitler called himself a National SOCIALIST. Socialist is also what the Russian Communists called themselves, because Communism would only arrive after bourgeois capitalism had been exterminated and utopia had been attained. That's why it was the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. They hadn't killed enough people yet to arrive at Communism.

It's only by the wordplay of the left that accustoms us to call Nazis and Fascists "rightists." There's nothing conservative about them. They are, in fact, all radical, progressive leftists.


8 posted on 01/02/2006 1:43:09 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TFFKAMM
He is the new all powerful for the let in the United States and Europe. The left here is also anti-Israel.
9 posted on 01/02/2006 1:43:27 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
a minority has taken ownership of the gold of the world, the silver, the minerals, water, the good lands, petrol, Is he complaining about the arabs? Certainly they have control of the petrol.
10 posted on 01/02/2006 1:43:44 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: TFFKAMM

DUDE ive told you before you have to take the plastic wrapping off the cigars before you light them up and smoke them


11 posted on 01/02/2006 1:43:57 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Khashayar

bttt


12 posted on 01/02/2006 1:45:05 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: TFFKAMM

It is remarkable to me, that no matter how far removed some folks are from Israel, in their minds da Jews are the cause of their problems. How convenient. This sure does short circuit any responsibility they or their people might have to set up a stable productive government.


13 posted on 01/02/2006 1:48:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Is he complaining about the arabs? Certainly they have control of the petrol.

Whoever it is according to Chavez, they are the same ones who "crucified" Simon Bolivar as well.
14 posted on 01/02/2006 1:51:17 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: TFFKAMM

Is Chavez retarded? He's making anti-semetic comments at the same time he's trying to get Israel to sell him weapons (which they won't anyway).

Isn't Chavez an athiest? It seems that most pinko commies are.


15 posted on 01/02/2006 1:52:03 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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To: TFFKAMM
the descendants of those who crucified Christ

Isn't the official position of the anti defamation league that it was the Italians ? ( Ok Romans ).
16 posted on 01/02/2006 1:55:31 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: GuineaRabbit

So we're supposed to spin him into a Nazi when he is a commie?

This is a common experience with Jews because just as they loved Roosevelt, like Roosevelt they love Papa Joe's progeny.


17 posted on 01/02/2006 1:58:56 PM PST by Spirited
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To: Spirited

Nazis, communists, socialists, fascists are all the same.

The nazis just happened to hate the communists because they feared losing power to them. Sort of like how the Crips hate the Bloods. They are both criminal scumbag gangs, but they fight each other to the death to keep in power.


18 posted on 01/02/2006 2:02:59 PM PST by GuineaRabbit
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To: TFFKAMM
the descendants of those who crucified Christ” have appropriated the riches of the world.

Hey Hugo! What do you not understand about Chosen Ones? Also, have you not amassed a fortune? STFU!

19 posted on 01/02/2006 2:03:39 PM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (If it wasn't for marriage, I would not have this screenname.)
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To: Cicero

The Nazis were anti-communist and never nationalized anything other than rail. The Nazis were socialist in that they appealed to laborers as the core of their support, but they were not state socialists or communists; they opposed the unification of the world's workers proposed by Marxism because it directly interefered with their nationalistic ideas. They considered Bolshevism to be a construct of the Jews.

Italian Fascism self-identified as the right-wing because it considered its nationalistic and racist views to be traditions to be conserved, so it is considered generally right-wing. Fascism was outwardly hostile to Marxism and classical liberalism and conservatism, but it also conveniently borrowed from all three. Its belief in the power of populism but the rejection of individual rights are very anti-liberal.

Discussing communism as if it was a single concept is generally futile. In all its incarnations communism is undeniably left-wing.


20 posted on 01/02/2006 2:10:24 PM PST by Sols
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To: GuineaRabbit

What a delightfully one-dimensional view of history you have. It must make textbooks much easier to carry.

The Nazis did fear Communist power, and they enjoyed much support for their condemnation of communism. But the Nazis were staunchly pro-capitalist and nationalistic, that is hardly "the same" as the belief in process of proletariat revolution -> state socialism -> common ownership and communism.

If by "all the same" you mean the German Nazi state, Italian Fascism, and Leninist USSR ended up as totalitarian states, you've got something there. But you'd have to elaborate.


21 posted on 01/02/2006 2:25:50 PM PST by Sols
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To: Sols
If by "all the same" you mean the German Nazi state, Italian Fascism, and Leninist USSR ended up as totalitarian states, you've got something there. But you'd have to elaborate.

Well what about each being a stepping stone to 1 party rule by a tyrannical authoritarian government that carries out multi-million citizen 'purges'? Of course it's all done for the good of the people.
22 posted on 01/02/2006 2:30:40 PM PST by GuineaRabbit
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To: TFFKAMM
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez announced in a Christmas speech that “the descendants of those who crucified Christ” have appropriated the riches of the world.

I didn't know that Chavez was a Christian.

23 posted on 01/02/2006 2:41:13 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: TFFKAMM

Were not Marx and Engels Jewish? Why are commies always anti-semetic?


24 posted on 01/02/2006 2:54:31 PM PST by The Cuban
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To: Sols
Italian Fascism self-identified as the right-wing because it considered its nationalistic and racist views to be traditions to be conserved, so it is considered generally right-wing.

By the same word-play, during the fall of the Soviet Union, when Soviet Communism could no longer be defended even by the liberals, the U.S. liberal news media labelled the Soviet Communist die-hards as "right-wing". After all, they wanted to Soviet "traditions to be conserved".

The tensions in the Soviet Union came to a head in August 1991 when a group of right wing military and KGB leaders staged a coup in Moscow while Gorbachev was on vacation in the Crimea.

25 posted on 01/02/2006 2:54:46 PM PST by Polybius
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Evil always finds a way to work antisemitism into the plan.
26 posted on 01/02/2006 2:56:31 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Sols

Yes, of course there were differences. The Communists were international socialists and the Nazis were national socialists. But when Hitler called the British a nation of shopkeepers, he was criticizing the bourgeois much as the Communists did. Both Hitler and Mussolini went in for central planning, although they brought businessmen willing to cooperate into the mix. But I really don't see either group as conservative.

The KGB seemed to have no problem using the nationalist card to stir up former colonies against the West. Communists have sometimes claimed to be internationalists, and have sometimes claimed to be nationalists.

The fact that the Nazis hated the Communists and the Communists hated the Nazis doesn't necessarily mean they were opposites. They were competing to fill the same totalitarian niche.


27 posted on 01/02/2006 2:57:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

The bast__d ought to shut up.


28 posted on 01/02/2006 2:59:13 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
he's following more closely in the footsteps of another famous socialist named Adolf Hitler...
29 posted on 01/02/2006 3:02:39 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Sols
even though nazis were "anti-communist", they were most definitely socialist, and started as a red flag waving socialist party. to get an idea of what hitler thought of capitalists, check out some of his speeches, particularly one he gave in Norway in 1940.

the nazis had *excellent* relations with the USSR before the war. the luftwaffe in the early 1930s trained at Soviet airbases. wehrmacht observers were there when the kulaks were being starved to death, and dutifully reported the mass extermination of these landowning peasants. Hitler was amazed that the rest of the world ignored the story and bought into walter duranty's puff pieces, and the seeds of the holocaust were born right then and there.

30 posted on 01/02/2006 3:11:00 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I believe the bullet with his name on it has already been made.


31 posted on 01/02/2006 3:37:22 PM PST by Recon Dad (Proud Marine Dad)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7
What do you not understand about Chosen Ones?

So the Jews are the chosen ones?

I guess all us Christians ought to fall in a hole then.

33 posted on 01/02/2006 3:41:34 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: TFFKAMM

Pat Robertson was right--take him out.


34 posted on 01/02/2006 3:47:37 PM PST by pankot
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To: Khashayar

A hellfire missile in the lap of these three would have solved a lot of problems.


35 posted on 01/02/2006 3:49:23 PM PST by pankot
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To: Sols
But the Nazis were staunchly pro-capitalist ........

Not really.

"A serious state of economic disruption was being brought about by the slow elimination of the personal control of vested interests and the gradual transference of the whole economic structure into the hands of joint stock companies. In this way labour became degraded into an object of speculation in the hands of unscrupulous exploiters. The de-personalization of property ownership increased on a vast scale. Financial exchange circles began to triumph and made slow but sure progress in assuming control of the whole of national life. Before the War the internationalization of the German economic structure had already begun by the roundabout way of share issues. It is true that a section of the German industrialists made a determined attempt to avert the danger, but in the end they gave way before the united attacks of money-grabbing capitalism, which was assisted in this fight by its faithful henchmen in the Marxist movement." ...........Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, VOLUME-1 CHAPTER X.

"What other country in the world possessed a better-organized and administered business enterprise than the German State Railways, for instance? It was left to the Revolution to destroy this standard organization, until a time came when it was taken out of the hands of the nation and socialized, in the sense which the founders of the Republic had given to that word, namely, making it subservient to the international stock-exchange capitalists, who were the wire-pullers of the German Revolution." ...........Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, VOLUME-1 CHAPTER X.

"The masses of the people do not interest capitalists in the least. They are interested in them...only when elections are being held, when they need votes.".....Speech by Adolph Hitler, 1940, (My New Order 881).

36 posted on 01/02/2006 3:49:43 PM PST by Polybius
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To: TFFKAMM

The ultra-liberal jews in Hollywierd and New York must really love this guy to embrace him like they have.


37 posted on 01/02/2006 3:57:17 PM PST by fella ("(News) should be the maximum of information & minimum of comment." - Cobden)
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To: pankot

agreed


38 posted on 01/02/2006 4:06:32 PM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Mike Darancette
I didn't know that Chavez was a Christian.

He isn't.
He's nominally a catholic.

39 posted on 01/02/2006 4:23:50 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: TFFKAMM

Chavez speaks.The Vatican tips its hand.


40 posted on 01/02/2006 4:28:46 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Sols
The demarcations you make separating commies, fascists and socialists are false propaganda designed by sympathetic neo-communists writing history today.

They (the commies and socialists) feared each other in Germany only because they knew whoever gained power first, would brutally murder the other group. Many of the commies saw the writing on the wall with Hitler's power and joined the Nazis totally betraying their Jewish comrades.

The Soviet Union persecuted Jewish communists and that is why Christians and Jews in Israel and America had to buy freedom for Soviet Jews. The Soviets persecuted all religious people. There is no love in Russia today for Jews and that was not just born with the fall of communism. The Soviets were fascists in that sense of racism and hatred and it's mass murder and enslavement for groups of people. Communists killed and enslaved more religious and ethnic enemies than Hitler ever dreamed of killing.

Hitler was not capitalist. He controlled business in absolute service to the State. Either a business owner went along with the State or they lost their business to a better party member. He had no respect for private property as he robbed all his enemies of their property at whim. To call him a capitalist is to be ignorant of capitalism. Which is the case for the idiots rewriting history today. You can carry around a very heavy history book filled with cover ups and lies about how much greater the commies were than the eeeeevil Nazis. There was not a dime of difference between them in outcome - economically or socially.

Communists took over all property and production but they allowed party members to benefit economically and socially from running them - no matter what they said. Some pigs were more equal than other pigs. Nazis officially left property in the hands of owners who were party members as long as they used the business to serve the State. There is not a big difference here! You could run a business if you permitted the State total control of your assets and purposes in both systems. In both systems you saw the mass murder of political enemies and ethnic/religious groups hated by the ruling power.

Today we have the new and improved democrat socialists who are progressing to outlaw the speech of political and social enemies. They are progressing to kill the handicapped, mentally ill and elderly as they kill the unborn. They control health care and they have no problem denying health care to people they consider unworthy. They will use the power of the state to completely control all wealth and public speech as all their comrades - commies and the fascists - have always done in time. They will progress to kill "extremist" Christians and Jews either under the banner of Islamism or atheism/secularism. You hear them all the time denouncing Jews in the name of Arabs. They hate Christians who have not adopted "liberation theology" designed by the Soviets. They are not kidding.

Leftists are all the same in the end spouting different slogans that mean nothing. It is a spiritual illness. It is absolutely murderous no matter what it calls itself.
41 posted on 01/02/2006 4:51:57 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: TFFKAMM


42 posted on 01/02/2006 6:53:10 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood (left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: TFFKAMM

Is it me, or does it seem that all of the world's leaders have gone off the deep end?


43 posted on 01/02/2006 9:30:49 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: TFFKAMM

Simply amazing the way all these Commies jump on the 'hate the Jews' bandwagon.


44 posted on 01/02/2006 9:35:03 PM PST by Dustbunny (Socialist/Liberal/Progressive/Communist/Marxist are todays Democrats)
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To: TFFKAMM

First Iran, now this crazy goon in Venezuela. Dear Lord!


45 posted on 01/02/2006 9:58:43 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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