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Revote today [Dover, PA school board]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 January 2006 | TOM JOYCE

Posted on 01/03/2006 12:12:37 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: .30Carbine
Thank you for your reply!

I see that mighty discernment is called for!

Indeed, there has been a movement among the new agers to appropriate terms and concepts from Jewish mystics. If you are interested in the truly ancient Jewish mysticism, a good place to start is AISH.Com
1,051 posted on 01/08/2006 11:31:08 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: betty boop

I strongly agree with your and Gamaliel's conclusion!


1,052 posted on 01/08/2006 11:34:18 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop; .30Carbine
Could be that religion(all religion) separates the sheep from the goats, and is a good thing.. because a simple honest prayer to the real God for clarity can make the difference.. from a religious 2nd reality, to a reality that transcends religion..

Interesting thought, hosepipe. I suspect the problem is not in the religion per se but in the adherents' attitude toward it. If they worship the leader, founder or doctrine instead of God - they are in darkness.

Some believers - especially new believers - may be more comfortable receiving the interpretation of Scripture from someone they trust. And some need the approval of others.

Jesus warns us this way:

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. - Mark 7:7

IMHO, the ones most at risk are those who - in position of authority in organized religion - abuse their office and mislead the congregation on Spiritual matters.
1,053 posted on 01/08/2006 11:46:10 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: hosepipe
Thank you for your reply!

AFAIK, neither dark matter nor dark energy can be observed under laboratory conditions. They are identified by inference of the physics and mathematics - as are many such things in quantum physics and geometric physics.

Ordinary matter in fact has never yet been observed or made despite repeated efforts by Fermilab and CERN (the Higgs field/boson in the Standard Model). CERN is about to get better equipment so it may yet be found. But if it is not, then the Standard Model must change.

Of a truth, what we call ordinary matter in space/time may actually be a shadow of momentum components of particle(s) in a fifth time-like dimension. For more: Mysteries of Mass

1,054 posted on 01/08/2006 11:56:41 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
[ Interesting thought, hosepipe. I suspect the problem is not in the religion per se but in the adherents' attitude toward it. If they worship the leader, founder or doctrine instead of God - they are in darkness. ]

And that darkness matters in the dark energy flowing from it..
A vacuous form of religion.. taking up space between anything that matters..
Nullifiying spiritual reality..

1,055 posted on 01/08/2006 12:01:28 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Very well said Chug,

Thats why they have went into stealth mode with the atheist agenda as opposed to many years ago.

One does not need to be a 'creationist' or anything else to see this

But the in the public forum cracks are appearing the dam, the rock being lifted, the agenda exposed.

Wolf
1,056 posted on 01/08/2006 12:22:34 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Fester Chugabrew; betty boop; hosepipe; .30Carbine
Thank you for your reply and for sharing your musings and insights!

IMHO, people tend to be anthropomorphic in their reasoning – even scientists who have dismissed the profoundly improbable fine tuning of the universe with the moniker of the “anthropic principle”. It is their way of saying “Nature did it” to foreclose inquiry. Strangely they complain when religionists do the same by declaring “God did it”.

But the tendency of any theologian to anthropomorphize God grates against the Spirit who indwells me. Man was created, he is in no way the Creator. It is not a chicken/egg thing; there was a beginning of "all that there is" and man could not have spiritually or physically existed in the void.

God is Spirit (John 4:24). He chose to give the physical body of man two eyes; if we are made physically in His image, He might have given us seven eyes (Revelation 5:6) The biomechanisms we have to hear or see or speak are completely beside the point. (Luke 19:40) His will is the point, the purpose of both this heaven and earth and the next (Genesis to Revelation).

I obviously do not see the physical and spiritual as coterminous. Following is the understanding which rings True in the Spirit who indwells me:

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, the first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven. As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.— I Corinthians 15:42–48


1,057 posted on 01/08/2006 12:22:37 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: .30Carbine

Excellent quote! Thank you, .30Carbine!


1,058 posted on 01/08/2006 12:25:56 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: hosepipe
And that darkness matters in the dark energy flowing from it.. A vacuous form of religion.. taking up space between anything that matters.. Nullifiying spiritual reality..

What a fascinating use of physics as a metaphor for Spiritual Truth! Thank you!
1,059 posted on 01/08/2006 12:27:28 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; .30Carbine; hosepipe; marron
IMHO, the ones most at risk are those who - in position of authority in organized religion - abuse their office and mislead the congregation on Spiritual matters.

If I may speak according to the "old metaphors," I feel pretty sure that a very special place in Hell is reserved for such as you describe here. People who abuse legitimate authority, who abuse the trust of the faithful whom they claim to serve, are scandal in the sight of God. And likewise ought to be so considered, in the sight of man. [Or so it seems to me.]

The faithless shepherd has a whole lot to answer for, in due course. [ditto]

1,060 posted on 01/08/2006 3:24:21 PM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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To: DennisR

My parents did it. Sometimes you gotta work with the situation as it is, not as you want it to be.


1,061 posted on 01/08/2006 4:04:57 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Concerned
re: Oh, really? And are we to understand that those who can barely get by paycheck to paycheck every month can have YOU pay for their child(ren) to attend the private school of their choice, religious or otherwise?)))

The irony here--do you think these evos capable of reproducing at all?

1,062 posted on 01/08/2006 4:57:07 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: betty boop
The faithless shepherd has a whole lot to answer for, in due course.

Indeed. Thank you so much for your agreement!
1,063 posted on 01/08/2006 8:19:48 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ If I may speak according to the "old metaphors," I feel pretty sure that a very special place in Hell is reserved for such as you describe here. People who abuse legitimate authority, who abuse the trust of the faithful whom they claim to serve, are scandal in the sight of God. And likewise ought to be so considered, in the sight of man. [Or so it seems to me.].. ]

On the other hand.. maybe the "shepards" are not faithless but have faith in the wrong "thing(s)".. and ARE honest agents in there own qualia..

According to the metaphor the "shepard" leads(or follows) the sheep to where they can feed themselves.. but consuming teachings, scripture, and dogma, pre-digesting it and comeing to vomit it up for the "sheep" is what birds do.. not "shepards".. ( a perverse metphor)

Whether "the Bird" is a "filty" bird ot a "clean" bird misses the mark of the metaphor.. and bypasses the reason for the metaphor completely.. And exposes the reality of the current situation.. I may be saying the "the Bird" ugh! "shepard" ugh.. "KING" has no clothes.. but the fact is obvious.. Whatever "he" is, that shepard, if hes vomitting, hes NAKED.. and the metaphor is raped and abused..

**Note: Yogi Berra eat your heart out.. d;-)~'.'.
"You've got to be very careful, if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there" - Yogi Berra

1,064 posted on 01/09/2006 8:02:16 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop
Thank you for your metaphorical insights, hosepipe!

I might have used another creature for a metaphor (but I cannot recall its name) - the ones that go charging over the cliff, others of their kind following mindlessly and killing the whole group of them.

1,065 posted on 01/09/2006 9:58:33 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
...the ones that go charging over the cliff, others of their kind following mindlessly and killing the whole group of them.

Lemmings. Not terribly bright little beasties!

1,066 posted on 01/09/2006 10:05:14 AM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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To: betty boop

Yes! That's it. Thank you!!!


1,067 posted on 01/09/2006 10:06:10 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ I might have used another creature for a metaphor (but I cannot recall its name) - the ones that go charging over the cliff, others of their kind following mindlessly and killing the whole group of them. ]

Lemmings.. Hmmm.. What to do with lemmings.?.
Humans as metaphorical lemmings... Hmmm..

Club groupies thats for sure.. human lemmings are..
Just want be part of "the" group.. will defend dogma even if it leads over a cliff, following the trail and scent of the those that came before them.. instead of contacting Jesus directly for themselves, as he commands.. Hmmmm...

I'm at a loss here.. must think on this.., there must be some.. Lemmings,,, Hmmm..

1,068 posted on 01/09/2006 10:17:36 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

LOLOL! I know you'll like the lemmings metaphor - you might have met a few somewhere along the way.


1,069 posted on 01/09/2006 10:50:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ LOLOL! I know you'll like the lemmings metaphor - you might have met a few somewhere along the way. ]

Oh!.... My!.... God!....(done with a Fran Drescher accent)
Don't get me started.. loooooool.....

1,070 posted on 01/09/2006 11:21:52 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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