BREAKTHROUGH OF THE YEAR: Evolution in Action

Science ^ | December 2005 | Elizabeth Culotta and Elizabeth Pennisi

[js1138]

Ithink what he meant was, how many times do we have to defend evolution against those who chose to remain ignorant.

[Dimensio]

From an ID perspective, this is evidence that chimps and humans have the same designer, and that much of the same proven design that went into the chimp was also applied to humans.

Yes, but if they were vastly different that would also be evidence of a designer, as the designer was making clear distinctions between seperate works. For ID, any potential observation can be called "evidence" because there's no falsification criteria.

The conclusions regarding evolution aren't merely based upon the percentage of similarity, but also in how the similarities occur, such as identical broken Vitamin C synthesis genes and identical inserted ERV code at the same points in the DNA.

[Seeking the truth]

Recently, I read that a common field mouse has about a 97% match with human DNA.

Is this accurate?

[My2Cents]

[My2Cents]

Then you're forgiven. But trust me...it's been posted at least once before, about a week ago.

[highball]

Ithink what he meant was, how many times do we have to defend evolution against those who chose to remain ignorant.

When the forces of willful ignorance leave our children alone, then we can rest.

Until then, soldier on!

[tx_eggman]

What's REALLY amazing is that, with all the information available on-line concerning evolution, you could still be so ignorant of the theory.

Is your choice of words a concession to the other side or simply an oversight on your part?

[MineralMan]

"It is amazing how all that DNA code just 'came together' by itself."

Yeah, that would be amazing. However, it never happened. DNA coding does not just "come together." Only those ignorant of biology would ever say so.

[End Times Sentinel]

A friend of mine who's a plant geneticist tells me that about 85% of the human DNA is identical to that of the pumpkin.

So?  You ID'ers are always trying to wreck stuff for me.  I'm a freakin' DINOSAUR!!!

COWER BEFORE ME, WEAKLY HUMAN!!!

AND CHECK OUT THE CHICK I'M GONNA MAKE IT WITH!

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

[Dimensio]

Do you know what "theory" means in this context?

[Echo Talon]

with life as we know it all stemming from evolution and accident, isn't it odd that ALL animals and humans are so symmetrical? As if someone purposely made them? Evolution must have been the most perfect accident ever, to have so many species be so perfect.

[Dimensio]

with life as we know it all stemming from evolution and accident, isn't it odd that ALL animals and humans are so symmetrical?

No. Why do you find that odd?

As if someone purposely made them?

Why would you expect that symmetry requires purpose?

Evolution must have been the most perfect accident ever, to have so many species be so perfect.

Either that or asymmetrical life forms are generally at a survival disadvantage, thus never really gained a footing. Do you even understand the most basic concepts of evolution or are you just spouting from a position of total ignorance?

[tx_eggman]

Do you know what "theory" means in this context?

I'm thinkin' that, in this context

theory = theory

Or, in order for me to fully understand, must I first know what the meaning of "is" is?

[Dimensio]

I'm thinkin' that, in this context

theory = theory

And what, exactly, do you think is the meaning of that word? What do you think that the use of the word "theory" implies?

Or, in order for me to fully understand, must I first know what the meaning of "is" is?

No, but it is helpful to understand what "theory" means in the context of science, as too many people seem to think that it implies a status of little more than a guess.

[Junior]

From an ID perspective, this is evidence that chimps and humans have the same designer, and that much of the same proven design that went into the chimp was also applied to humans.

So, lobsters were built by a different working team?

Honestly, if the evidence supports a theory that works without introducing an un-named "designer" (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), why do you find it necessary to do so?

[tortoise]

with life as we know it all stemming from evolution and accident, isn't it odd that ALL animals and humans are so symmetrical?

No. Symmetry is a cheap feature.

As if someone purposely made them?

Non sequitur.

Evolution must have been the most perfect accident ever, to have so many species be so perfect.

You have set a very low bar for "perfect".

[GOPPachyderm]

Is this the "first bold fish" to come ashore?

[Echo Talon]

Just asking the question... Why not 4 fingers on one hand and 3 on the other? seems very odd for so many species to be so perfect to be an accident, look at some skeletons...

[Dimensio]

Why not 4 fingers on one hand and 3 on the other?

Have you considered that symmetry is actually an easier feature?

seems very odd for so many species to be so perfect to be an accident,

I don't consider my broken vitamin C synthesis gene (found in all great apes, including humans) to be "perfect".

[PatrickHenry]

The fossil record reveals that over 90% of all species have gone extinct. The designer has some explaining to do.