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Time to take off 9/11-coloured glasses (Canadian response)
Metro Toronto ^ | January 3, 2006 | Guidy Mamann

Posted on 01/03/2006 10:37:45 PM PST by F14 Pilot

It’s time to clear the air about our relations with the United States and how they impact on our immigration policy.

Recently, a very frustrated Paul Martin turned up the heat on the Americans after they persisted in refusing to play fair on the softwood lumber issue.

The prime minister’s message clearly got the attention of our southern neighbours.

Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson replied on Dec. 19 saying: “Anybody with any ambition at all, or intelligence, has left Canada and is now living in New York.”

As if that wasn’t enough, he added that Canada “is like your retarded cousin you see at Thanksgiving … he’s nice but you don’t take him seriously.”

I took far more seriously the comments of Montana Senator Conrad Burns who weighed into the fray by saying “We’ve got to remember that the people who first hit us in 9/11 entered this country through Canada.”

Within days he retracted his statement by saying he “misspoke on this matter.”

Burns is not the first senior American politician who has publicly expressed this view. Newt Gingrich made a similar statement in April 2005. He, too, retracted his statement and apologized for “perpetuating the error … one I am sure has been very painful to (Canadians).”

Apologies and retractions notwithstanding, many Americans still believe this urban myth. The fact is that the 9/11 hijackers were admitted to the U.S. by U.S. border officials. Not by ours. While sympathy is due, we bear absolutely no culpability for these events.

Unfortunately, since Sept. 11, 2001, our federal government has acted as if we were “guilty as charged.” To appease our American friends, we have adopted every idiotic airline security measure asked of us, such as confiscating tweezers and toenail clippers. We have removed our shoes when asked. We have surrendered our passenger manifests and even turned over our Canadian citizens for torture abroad just to make our neighbours feel like we are behind them.

Notwithstanding these concessions, the Americans also wanted to control Canada’s refugee program which they felt constituted a threat to the United States. How could they do this without appearing to violate Canada’s sovereignty? Simple.

Since many refugees can only reach Canada through a connecting flight somewhere in the United States, we would simply require claimants to advance their claim in the first “safe” country they reach and deny them the right to make a claim thereafter in Canada. And so, on Dec. 29, 2004, we entered into an agreement with the US declaring it a “safe” country. Accordingly, we have stranded thousands of asylum seekers in the U.S. and effectively subcontracted out a significant percentage of our asylum cases to the American refugee determination system, which can only be described one way: a joke.

This space is inadequate to expand on this assessment so I defer to a recent New York Times article at www.nytimes.com/2005/12/26/national/26immigration.html (free registration required).

In 1986, the UN’s Nansen medal was awarded to Canada for our treatment of refugees. As for the American system, this is what U.S. judge Ilana Rovner recently said to a U.S. government lawyer trying to defend her government’s decision in a refugee case: “It is so cruel to send a lovely human being like you in here to be a messenger of such madness, such nonsense.”

With an election looming, it’s time we return to our own values on immigration and end this absurd attempt to pacify our American friends who may need yet more time to realize that our immigration system had nothing to do with the tragedy of 9/11.

Guidy Mamann practises law in Toronto at Mamann & Associates and is certified by the Ontario Law Society as an immigration specialist. Reach him at 416-862-0000. Confidential e-mails may be directed to Mr. Mamann at metro@migrationlaw.com.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; aliens; arabs; border; canada; homelandsecurity; immigrantlist; immigration; islam; sep11; terrorism; us

1 posted on 01/03/2006 10:37:47 PM PST by F14 Pilot
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To: fanfan; NorthOf45; All

I guess your input is needed here

Thanks


2 posted on 01/03/2006 10:40:32 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Happy2BMe

I know you have an Immigration related ping list, Don't you?


3 posted on 01/03/2006 10:44:31 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson replied on Dec. 19 saying:

WHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

If Canada keeps going on about this they'll become even more embarassing.

You guys can't take Tucker Carlson weeks ago? The US has to listen to that crap from your pissant little burg daily.

Go whine some more, and wave your good conduct medals from the UN. We'll do all the work--like giving you an economy.

4 posted on 01/03/2006 10:50:24 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: F14 Pilot
Naw...the really smart Canadians have already moved to Australia.
5 posted on 01/03/2006 10:53:41 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: F14 Pilot
Is Guidy really a name?
6 posted on 01/03/2006 10:56:25 PM PST by MarkeyD (Cowards cut and run. Marines finish the job. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: Aussiebabe
the really smart Canadians have already moved to Australia

So there aren't any Canadians in Australia?

Mmmm...Aussie women....mmmm...

Sorry, got lost for a sec... ;)

7 posted on 01/03/2006 10:56:29 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: F14 Pilot

The Canadian regime and the corrupt ruling elite there are so completely worthless that one could almost make the case for sending in a platoon of 100 marines armed with Ruger Mini-14s to overthrow their stinking excuse for a government, if it would require even that many.

Problem is, the place is simply not worth the effort. Let's instead encourage the Quebecois to break away along with other provinces. I have more respect for Muslims than for these bedwetting leftists.


8 posted on 01/03/2006 10:57:32 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: F14 Pilot
immigration specialist

No self serving agenda with this guy (Liberal I bet).

9 posted on 01/03/2006 11:00:39 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: F14 Pilot
The Canadian authorities agreed with the US on that asylum law, maybe the writer ought to criticize them for doing that.

Secondly, this person takes much too personal comments made by a nobody on an unwatched cable channel. Somehow this person should not get away with calling Tucker a conservative!

Does this person have an email address??

10 posted on 01/03/2006 11:20:16 PM PST by GeronL (http://flogerloon.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

metro@migrationlaw.com


11 posted on 01/03/2006 11:21:57 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: ncountylee

9-11 terrorists did not enter through Canada... is this Guidy happy?? Other terrorists HAVE entered through Canada...


12 posted on 01/03/2006 11:22:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://flogerloon.blogspot.com)
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To: Aussiebabe
And the really smart Aussies, like one of my cousins, have moved to America. :-)



13 posted on 01/03/2006 11:25:39 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: F14 Pilot
First off nobody in the US believes Tucker Carlson is a conservative. Nobody really watches that poor excuse for a channel anyway. Besides who cares? Why throw a hissy fit over what some weirdo on TV said about your country? It's meaningless.

Nobody I know thinks the 9-11 terrorists came throght Canada, although we know the millenium bomber did and probably wanna-be bombers are probably coming over the border right now.

Your article states that Canada agreed to the asylum 'safe country' rule. Maybe you should gripe to them. Except that bashing the US for your own countrys problems is easier than fixing them.

Now stop whining.

Floyd

flogerloon.blogspot.com


14 posted on 01/03/2006 11:28:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://flogerloon.blogspot.com)
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To: F14 Pilot
[The Khadrs:] Canada's First Family of Terrorism
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
March 16, 2004

"We are an Al Qaeda family." So spoke one of the Khadrs, a Muslim Canadian household whose near single-minded devotion to Osama bin Laden contains important lessons for the West."

Wife Maha Elsamnah took her then 14-year-old son Omar from Canada to Pakistan in 2001 and enrolled him for Al Qaeda training.
Daughter Zaynab, 23, was engaged to one terrorist and married, with Osama bin Laden himself present at the nuptials, a Qaeda member in 1999. Zaynab endorses the 9/11 atrocities and hopes her infant daughter will die fighting Americans.
Son Abdullah, 22, is a Qaeda fugitive constantly on the move to elude capture. Canadian intelligence states he ran a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan during the Taliban period, something Abdullah denies.
Son Omar, 17, stands accused of hurling a grenade in July 2002, killing an American medic in Afghanistan. Omar lost sight in one eye in the fighting and is now a U.S. detainee in Guantánamo.
Son Abdul Karim, 14, half-paralyzed by wounds sustained in the October 2003 shoot-out that left his father dead, is presently prisoner in a Pakistani hospital.

danielpipes.org/

15 posted on 01/03/2006 11:44:53 PM PST by Daaave ("I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.")
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To: F14 Pilot

many Americans still believe this urban myth.

What planet has this writer been living on. I don't know of anyone who thinks that the 9/11 hijackers came into the US through Canada. In fact, I seem to remember there being widespread outrage and anger (rightfully so) after it was discovered, and widely publicized, that they came in to the US right through the front door.

This guy certainly does have an inflated sense of importance when it comes to Canada. If he wanted to be really truthful he wouldn't have to do much research to figure out that most Americans don't really give a damn about Canada at all.

16 posted on 01/04/2006 12:37:47 AM PST by frankiep
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To: F14 Pilot

Who or what is this Canada thingy you speak of?? Sounds creepy.

:-)


17 posted on 01/04/2006 2:21:18 AM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Wow, what a hard-hitting expose this clown wrote....I like Canada a lot, but have a difficult time liking some of the US bashers that live up North. Tell them to go back to France and leave the real Americans alone!! What a crock this guy writes, and in a way, I feel sorry for his being so stupid and insipid!


18 posted on 01/04/2006 2:48:56 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Daaave

How do the Canadians explain the presence of Ahmet Resseni, arrested at the US border in December 1999 while driving a carload of explosives to attack LA airport? Resseni was An Algerian of an Arab-Afghan background who was in contact with Al Qaeda cells in Bosnia and Germany. Though considered a dangerous individual in Europe, he somehow managed to enter Canada. And how about Human Concern International, headquartered in Ottowa, Canada, which was supplying aid and comfort to Islamists in Afghanistan, and then using the name Mercy International continued to support Islamists by funding Algerian and Egyptian radicals? And what of the Benevolence International Fund of Canada, which was in bed with AQ, and the phoney Bosnian-Canadian Relief Association of Toronto?

Finally, it must be noted that Abudhamid Abdulrahim, AKA, Abu Obeida, a special confidante of OBLaden, set up the first radical Islamist charity in the West, Human Concern International, and he did so in Canada in 1982. Simply put, it is time for Canadians to quit playing the game of "holier than thou."


19 posted on 01/04/2006 4:38:35 AM PST by gaspar
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To: F14 Pilot; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...
Canada Ping!

Please FReepmail me to get on or off this Canada ping list.

Sounds to me like Mr. Mamann, is just whining about a lack of business.

Bio:

Mamann & Associates
74 Victoria Street> Suite 303
Toronto, Canada M5C 2A5

Tel: 416-862-0000
Fax: 416-862-0625
Website: http://www.migrationlaw.com
E-mail: gman@migrationlaw.com

Founding Principal

Mr. Guidy Mamann is the founding member of Mamann & Associates (formerly Mamann, Kranc) and has been practicing primarily in the field of immigration law since 1987.

Mr. Mamann is one of only 20 lawyers in Ontario who has been certified as anImmigration Law Specialist by the Law Society of Upper Canada.

He has also been rated as one of Canada's "frequently recommended" immigration lawyers by Lexpert, Canada's leading lawyer rating service.

Mr. Mamann was formerly employed in 1984 as an immigration officer by the Department of Citizenship and Immigration at Toronto's Pearson International Airport. He graduated in 1985 from Osgoode Hall Law School at York University in Toronto.

Mr. Mamann has been interviewed extensively by The Globe and Mail, Toronto Star, Toronto Sun, LA Times, as well as CTV, CBC, City TV, BBC etc. He also writes a column on Immigration each Monday in Toronto's Metro News.

20 posted on 01/04/2006 4:50:39 AM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

He's bound to be a Liberal as well.


21 posted on 01/04/2006 5:36:34 AM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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To: F14 Pilot
With an election looming, it’s time we return to our own values on immigration and end this absurd attempt to pacify our American friends who may need yet more time to realize that our immigration system had nothing to do with the tragedy of 9/11.

The policy sounds fair to me. If you are a refugee, you should apply for such status in the first free country you enter. You should not be shopping around for a country to flee to. Otherwise, your refugee claim loses credibility. the only reason so many so-called refugees want to go to Canada is that immigration there has very lax standards and the refugees get to have government paid housing and welfare. A lot of so called refugees arrive by air without passports or any other ID. They destroy them on the plane after boarding to facilitate a refugee claim. Without ID there is no way know exactly who they are so immigration has to assume they are refugees.

22 posted on 01/04/2006 6:15:59 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Consider the source. The writer is an immigration lawyer whose livelihood was severely curtailed by the new rules.


23 posted on 01/04/2006 6:59:08 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Proudly Christian since 2005)
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To: Darkwolf377
But "Americans Have persisted in refusing to play fair on the softwood lumber issue."

According to this well educated author the USA has been unfair and has not let Canada (actually the problem is only with British Columbia) dump their lumber.

I guess this article is about serious security issues in Canada and the USA with refugees and airlines and torture but it leads off with how unfair Americans are when it comes to lumber.

This is how Canadians reason.

Get it?

Me either, but Tucker Carlsons (who?) mocking being front page news in Canada is an even better example of how many Canadians are so out of touch on the important issues of the day.

One of these issues is the brain drain of Canadian professionals to the USA, but THAT must never be discussed or even acknowledged.

For a Northern people Canadian liberals and socialists are terribly thin skinned.

Or as another Freeper pointed out liberals (and most Canadians are very liberal) are grandious, paranoid and delusional.

Most Canadians really believe they have good reasons to be grandious and paranoid with Americans.

But in the Canadian election it is the Liberals delusions about Americans that are becoming most apparent.

24 posted on 01/04/2006 6:59:39 AM PST by concrete is my business (prepare the sub grade, then select the mix design)
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To: F14 Pilot

This article makes me cringe on so many levels, I don't know where to start. Reading this makes me want to go home, close the curtains, and drink a magnum of wine, whilst weeping. Damn this journalist is a f*cking idiot.


25 posted on 01/04/2006 7:58:15 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!!)
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To: F14 Pilot

Bump for later.


26 posted on 01/04/2006 8:04:08 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: concrete is my business
The Canadians simply don't come across as serious people. I had a brief argument with a Canadian I know about the lumber dumping, and all it took was a quick net search to show where he was wrong about these US trade violations--and he simply stopped arguing. Which makes me think there is this need for Canada to force these "differences" with the US to show their European brethren that they're really not like that big, dumb US, but more like the French.

It's Little Brother Syndrome. I don't know if Canadians wish they were more like the US, imagining what they could do with all that power, or that they LIKE being the Newfoundland dog of nations--large in size but more likely to sleep at your feet than go out and hunt something. But in their need to distinguish themselves from the US, they seem to have misplaced their values, claiming this silly stuff as the writer in the article does--whoever heard of the award from the UN he mentions?--like it's some monumental triumph, and diminishing the US war on terror like it's nothing at all but an excuse for Americans to torture someone.

That this is the second Canadian piece in one week I've read where someone mentions not just the Carlson comments but the Gingrich and the other comment--MONTHS old quotations--shows Canadians trying to kiss up to their UN pals will go to any length, while resorting to trade disputes so minor that you would never know the goddamned country would collapse in a week without US trade to show how "in opposition" they are to us.

I really am uncomfortable with broad-brush comments about countries. But every Canadian should include the US in his or her nightly prayers for all we do for them, instead of this prissy, picayune crap they keep flinging at us. OK, TWO Americans made misstatements about 9-11 and RETRACTED them--wow, ok, that's a monumental slander, unlike anything in the history of the planet Earth, gee, we're sorry, ok? Now go live your subsidized lives which you would never have without our trade, and live secure in the knowledge that our defense budget is protecting you and allows you all to piss and moan about the best friends anyone in this world could have.

And then STFU already, you ungrateful little jerks.

27 posted on 01/04/2006 8:25:12 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: F14 Pilot
Guidy Mamann practises law in Toronto

Although it's true the American immigration system is a joke if Canada doesn't change theirs and in a hurry the only law Guidy Mamann will be practicing in 20 years is Sharia.

28 posted on 01/04/2006 8:43:13 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: F14 Pilot
Unfortunately there are Dickheads in every country who believe
they have the right and duty to criticize the shortcomings of other
countries.
Whether it some Canadians criticizing Americans, or some Americans criticizing
Canadians, or Europeans (Germans, French etal) criticizing Americans, or
Americans criticizing Euros, etc, etc, etc, etc..
Let's face it, there are, and will always be, one or more sub-groups in
EVERY country who piss-and-moan-and whine about something
they don't like about virtually every other country.
It gets to be a problem when the population of the criticized
country gets to believe that the majority of citizens (rather
the a few sub-groups) of the criticizing country are critical.
That is generally the result of ignorance and misinformation.
Thank God that sort of thing wouldn't happen among informed and
intelligent folks, eh?
29 posted on 01/04/2006 8:55:56 AM PST by CaptainCanada (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: GeronL

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031209-114319-3699r.htm

Some U.S. officials have speculated that September 11 planner Mohamed Atta, who piloted American Airlines Flight 11 as it crashed into the World Trade Center, traveled, to Canada through Portland, Maine, on the eve of the attacks to meet with his "handler." There has been no other explanation for his Sept. 10, 2001, trip to Portland, from which he could have taken unchallenged the Quoddy Loop ferry line into Canada.


30 posted on 01/04/2006 9:05:34 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: GeronL

FBI photos


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/portl16.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/100401picts.htm&h=375&w=300&sz=68&tbnid=-QOqMqPw524J:&tbnh=118&tbnw=94&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAtta%2Bsouth%2Bportland%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN


31 posted on 01/04/2006 9:11:01 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: Darkwolf377

... yes and we will protect your a$$ from the evil ones when the rubber hits the road. Amen


32 posted on 01/04/2006 9:16:22 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: F14 Pilot
Email exchange with the brain dead attorney:

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:33 AM

To: metro

Subject: Time to take off 9/11-coloured glasses

Stop being so selfish and concerned with only your personal "rice bowl."

There is a shooting war going on in the world that was not started by western civilization. Radical Islam not the US is the enemy.

Response:

Lee: I don't think I am being selfish.

We should support all reasonable measures to combat terrorism. I just don't think its necessary for our refugees to be selected by the US. I think we can do a great job on it. Don't you think so?

Yours Truly, Guidy Mamann, LL.B., Barrister & Solicitor

33 posted on 01/04/2006 10:34:41 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Darkwolf377
I don't blame your anger especially towards Canadians who think that they do not need to fund a military as the USA will protect them.

I find that attitude intolerable.

However Canada and the USA are REALLY the best of strategic partners.

Huge amounts of Canadian resources and Canadian resourcefulness benefit Americans on a daily basis and will continue to do so, and vice versa.

The Canadians Liberal faith in the future of the Pacific Rim (i.e. China)as a buyer of Canadian resources is not going to replace real Canadian-USA trade anytime soon.

Goods and people in North America move much more easily north and south than east to west and the Liberals and socialists in Canada cannot change that fact, although they will keep trying.

34 posted on 01/04/2006 10:42:13 AM PST by concrete is my business (prepare the sub grade, then select the mix design)
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To: april15Bendovr

The Mohamed Atta going through Canada conspiracy theory was debunked long ago. We let him in, we paid the price. The folks over at the WP need to put on the tinfoil hat...


35 posted on 01/04/2006 4:54:42 PM PST by Dr. Luv (The cranky oncologist)
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