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Hard Times (at the Old Gray Hag)
Investors.com ^ | 1/4/06 | staff

Posted on 01/04/2006 5:35:40 PM PST by pissant

Media: The New York Times is under fire from the left and right over the handling of its wiretapping story. But that's just the latest in a pattern of embarrassing mistakes and misdeeds by the "paper of record."

It's been all the blues that's fit to print for The New York Times reporters, editors and brass lately. The memory of the Jayson Blair plagiarism scandal was just fading when veteran Washington reporter Judith Miller was jailed for 85 days for protecting a source — then promptly shown the door amid suggestions of receiving more than leaks from her contacts.

It might have helped if Miller weren't resented by others at the Times for lacking a liberal political agenda.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jaysonblair; judithmiller; liberalmedia; nyt; plagiarism; spying; traitors
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Best thing that could happen to the News industry would be for the Hag to go TU.
1 posted on 01/04/2006 5:35:42 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

FGS, could someone please have mercy on us all and pull the plug at the NYT? A true mercy killing I could support.


2 posted on 01/04/2006 5:38:39 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (Make high definition tv fun. Aggravate 'em until their heads explode.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

Indeed. Let some other, more reputable publication take over it's facilities....like the Weekly World News


3 posted on 01/04/2006 5:40:23 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

You have to ask yourself, who would be stupid enough to advertize in the Times these days?


4 posted on 01/04/2006 5:42:51 PM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: McGavin999

Especially after they've been caught lying about their circulation.


5 posted on 01/04/2006 5:43:41 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
I disrespectfully agree...no, I respectfully disagree!

Will Shortz (the replacement for the real genius, Eugene Maleska) has the best daily crossword puzzle in the country. I do it everyday and it is holding my alzheimers at bay...IIRC (huh?).

6 posted on 01/04/2006 5:43:52 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

I will admit it has a fine crossword puzzle, in addition to a nice style section. LOL


7 posted on 01/04/2006 5:44:53 PM PST by pissant
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To: McGavin999
You have to ask yourself, who would be stupid enough to advertize in the Times these days?

Since when does being unprofitable mean failure for liberal media. NPR, Air-Head America, LA Times, Boston Globe, Providence Journal, et al, ad nauseum. Making money? Who cares!

8 posted on 01/04/2006 5:47:45 PM PST by N. Beaujon (http://www.nbeaujon.com)
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To: pissant

That might happen after James Risen let the cat out of the bag on Katie Couric's little show the other day. His statements were more profoundly revealing than most have recognized. After listening to his defense of the leakers and his explanation of the "concerns" of the "Whistleblowers", it is clear that the motives of these individuals was policy differences not civil liberty concerns. In oher words...it's all about politics.

Risen's statements about the concerns of the bureaucrats and careerists within the executive branch pointedly betray the argument he makes; that their motives were pure. Bullshit! He revealed that his sources were responding to an administration that had the temerity to actually make policy decisions that they did not agree with.

Here is how Risen described the motives of the leakers;

"the checks and balances that normally keep American foreign policy and national security policy toward the center kind of broke down. You had more of a
radicalization, in which the career professionals were not really given a chance to forge a consensus within the administration. The principals: Rumsfeld, Cheney Tenet and Rice were meeting constantly, setting policy and never allowing the experts, the people who understand the region to have a say."

This statement by Risen indicates many things, among them that the career professionals with the executive branches, such as the Justice and State Departments, thought it was they, not the elected President of The United States, that should be deciding course and policy decisions within the Government.

Policy had been "radicalized", they were not allowed to "forge a consensus", "The principals: Rumsfeld, Cheney Tenet and Rice were meeting constantly", "never allowing the experts" to have a say. My God, imagine that, the highest elected officials in our government actually deciding a course that differed from those career leftwing bureaucrats who forged the failed policies that got us in this mess in the first place.

Risen has made a stupendously stupid admission and revealed the true motives of the "Whistleblowers". Their motives were borne of hubris and politics, not the law, and certainly not your civil liberties. They are in deep trouble and they should be.

Freegards,

PresidentFelon


9 posted on 01/04/2006 5:48:50 PM PST by PresidentFelon (Reuters Reporter Adam Entous beats his mother)
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To: pissant

"I will admit it has a fine crossword puzzle, in addition to a nice style section. LOL"

Hmmmm...the Times xword puzzle...

"11 letter word for evil company" Halliburton

"7 letter word that best describes Republicans" Corrupt


10 posted on 01/04/2006 5:50:36 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: Dark Skies
Will Shortz (the replacement for the real genius, Eugene Maleska) has the best daily crossword puzzle in the country.

Yes, he does. I use substitutes now, but it is not the same :(

11 posted on 01/04/2006 5:51:25 PM PST by Bahbah (An admitted Snow Flake)
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To: PresidentFelon

I read Risen's pathetic interview. I think a nice tight noose is too good for the bottomfeeder.


12 posted on 01/04/2006 5:52:04 PM PST by pissant
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To: fizziwig

That would be TOO easy for most of their readers.


13 posted on 01/04/2006 5:52:34 PM PST by pissant
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To: PresidentFelon

That is a great analysis/explanation, PresidentFelon.


14 posted on 01/04/2006 5:55:22 PM PST by Bahbah (An admitted Snow Flake)
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To: pissant

Paper of record? More like paper of wreckage.


15 posted on 01/04/2006 5:57:53 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Malesherbes

Unfit for TP, in my estimation.


16 posted on 01/04/2006 5:59:10 PM PST by pissant
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To: Dark Skies

Do you subscribe, or do you root through the garbage for this rag? I, for one wouldn't even root through a garbage can for this piece of trash. :)


17 posted on 01/04/2006 6:00:46 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: pissant

18 posted on 01/04/2006 6:03:16 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
I subscribe online but a hacker friend of mine charges it to Jim Robinson...so in a way, all contributing Freepers are helping me fend off Al Zheimers.

Oooops...thanks Jim. And keep those Freepathon smackers flowing fellow Freepers.

And no...Jim didn't tell me to say that.

19 posted on 01/04/2006 6:04:47 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Ichneumon

LOL. I like that. Though I would have the classifieds face up, don't want to damage your parrot's brain.


20 posted on 01/04/2006 6:05:12 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

TU, LOL. But I agree.


21 posted on 01/04/2006 6:06:33 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: Ichneumon

I tried the NYT for lining my bird's cage, and it up an died on me.

Overexposure to liberals was the vet's estimate of what happened.


22 posted on 01/04/2006 6:09:14 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Tarpon

Isn't a Tarpon a salmonoid found in Eastern Russia?


23 posted on 01/04/2006 6:11:50 PM PST by pissant
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To: Bahbah; PresidentFelon
That is a great analysis/explanation, PresidentFelon.

I agree. I hadn't heard any of that before. Thanks for the illuminating analysis.

24 posted on 01/04/2006 6:14:01 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: pissant

Crab Wrapper


25 posted on 01/04/2006 6:14:04 PM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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To: Dark Skies

LOL! Your a piece of work! :)


26 posted on 01/04/2006 6:15:00 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: pissant

27 posted on 01/04/2006 6:15:15 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: pissant
You bet. Time for some "Creative Destruction" as Schumpeter would've said.
28 posted on 01/04/2006 6:16:04 PM PST by LiberationIT
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To: PresidentFelon

Very good observations and assessment. Thanks for sharing it.


29 posted on 01/04/2006 6:18:14 PM PST by Laverne
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To: Tarpon

Damn, I need you on my BBQ, not posting to my threads. LOL


30 posted on 01/04/2006 6:20:04 PM PST by pissant
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To: LiberationIT

Long overdue, I might add.


31 posted on 01/04/2006 6:20:31 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant


Old gray hag.
32 posted on 01/04/2006 6:21:17 PM PST by maggief
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Oh, the old gray mare,
She ain't what she used to be,
Ain't what she used to be,
Oh, the old gray mare,
She ain't what she used to be,
Many long years ago
Many long years ago.


Actually, she's the same old hag but she's losing her ability shovel the BS on the masses and get away with it.


33 posted on 01/04/2006 6:23:17 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: maggief

That's the best I've seen Pinchy Sulzberger look in ages.


34 posted on 01/04/2006 6:24:48 PM PST by pissant
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To: TheForceOfOne

It hasn't changed it stripes since it took the side of the USSR in the cold war.


35 posted on 01/04/2006 6:25:29 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
Someone recently posted some of their commie pandering in a time line, and you're right they're singing the same old song they always have.

I think the new media (including us) has done more damage to the old media than any of us realize. Looking back to just the year 2000 a lot has changed and it will only continue, there isn't a way to stop what technology has unlocked. Everything they report is challenged, and done so in real time.

Pajama clad warriors of the 21st century rise up to challenge the evil empire. :)
36 posted on 01/04/2006 6:52:05 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: TheForceOfOne

Amen to that. And we can thank Rush for demonstrating how powerful the MSM alternative can be.


37 posted on 01/04/2006 6:56:34 PM PST by pissant
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To: McGavin999

You have to ask yourself, who would be stupid enough to advertize in the Times these days?

Maybe truth in advertising doesn't apply to the NYT.


38 posted on 01/04/2006 7:04:28 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Meet the new year, same as the old year.)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
a piece of work

One of my favorite expressions (reserved for special people). As an artist and struggling writer...thx

39 posted on 01/04/2006 7:04:54 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: pissant
New York Times (of all papers) Takes Shot at Blogging Ethics...

Not much time to take this one apart properly, but New York Times' Adam Cohen today holds bloggers up to ethical standards which, he argues, ought to equal the high...

Not much time to take this one apart properly, but New York Times' Adam Cohen today holds bloggers up to ethical standards which, he argues, ought to equal the high standards of those in the MSM.

While we agree with much of his thesis in general, one wonders if he ought to be throwing such stones from inside the Times' own fragile glass house.

This finger-wagging quote -- "Information should be verified before it is printed" -- amongst others, strikes one as more than just a tad ironic coming from the paper who allowed buckets of front page ink for Judith Miller to post un-verified information which helped march the world directly into a (so far) endless war.

Ms. Miller still works at -- and presumably collects a handsome salary from -- New York Times in the bargain. As she doesn't seem to have been held up to any particular set of ethics in the bargain, wouldn't Cohen's criticism be better directed homeward right about now?

Blogs, it seems, in Cohen's article are all tossed into the same ethically-challenged, non-journalistic barrel. All of us, apparently, require an "ethical upgrade" in Cohen's condescending opinion. True, we suppose, in as much as it would be appropriate for us to criticize the Times themselves for "reporting" done by super-market tabloids such as Weekly World News.

By way of example, here's just one graf from Cohen's piece:

[T]he real reason for an ethical upgrade is that it is the right way to do journalism, online or offline. As blogs grow in readers and influence, bloggers should realize that if they want to reform the American media, that is going to have to include reforming themselves.


Message to Mr. Cohen and the other MSM'ers apparently now beginning to defend their turf by entering into the "then they fight you" phase of Gandhi's famous quote: "Physician, heal thyself!"




40 posted on 01/04/2006 7:15:57 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: pissant
The MSM is in major crisis mode with circulation and advertising dollars falling off sharply.

We have witnessed major staff reductions including sacrificial lambs, pending federal investigations, reporters being locked up, and their credibility challenge to the point that nothing they report goes without verification before being accepted, if accepted at all.

We have seen the rise of Fox News and the fall of all liberal TV media. Fox News isn't perfect but what it shows is that the public is far more aware of what they're viewing and they're making new choices thanks to the new media. The TV market is primed for a conservative network to rise up and lay waste to CBS, NBC, and ABC in short order.
41 posted on 01/04/2006 7:17:57 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: John Lenin

The left, whether blogging or MSM, peddles nothing but defeatism and anti-americanism. They are losing, they know it, and they are getting hysterical. Quite a spectacle, I might add.


42 posted on 01/04/2006 7:24:05 PM PST by pissant
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To: TheForceOfOne

If CBSNBCABC had ANY brains, they would hire a center right anchor and editor and mop the floor against the other two rivals.


43 posted on 01/04/2006 7:25:17 PM PST by pissant
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AH, but the people who run those alphabets are democrats -- therefore, they have no brain. We will see CBS hire a new anchor just as leftist and biased as those on the other alphabets. There is no hope for old media....they do not understand that we want truth not democrat spin. Plus, if they go straight, they will lose their bonuses from Soros, et al.


44 posted on 01/04/2006 7:31:04 PM PST by Laverne
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To: pissant

The NYT is no longer the paper of record, and we haven't needed one for more than a decade.


45 posted on 01/04/2006 7:33:08 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Laverne

Good, I'd just as soon see them continue to shrivel anyhow.


46 posted on 01/04/2006 7:33:39 PM PST by pissant
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They are legends only in their own minds.


47 posted on 01/04/2006 7:34:25 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
Best thing that could happen to the News industry would be for the Hag to go TU.

What do you call 500 less New York Times employees?
...................A good Start!!!

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 20, 2005--The New York Times Company announced today that it plans to undertake staff reductions that will affect approximately 500 employees, about four percent of its total workforce. It plans to begin the staff reductions in October and implement them over the course of the next six to nine months.

48 posted on 01/04/2006 7:50:19 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

It would be a VERY tough choice if I had to choose between a 747 full of lawyers or a 747 full of NYTimes employees running out of fuel over the Atlantic.


49 posted on 01/04/2006 7:52:09 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
Well that's the fun part, as Hollywood, the liberal media, and the Democratic Party continue to lose power and financial profits from lost advertising revenue, lost union donations, etc. someone is going to break financially and through the shear power of greed over political ideology they will defect and others will follow sending the entire liberal world as they know it into chaos. It's going to be beautiful. lol
50 posted on 01/04/2006 7:52:48 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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