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Psychotropic Drug Prescriptions For Teens Surge 250% Over 7 Year Period
Brandeis University via sciencedaily.com ^ | 2006-01-04 | NA

Posted on 01/04/2006 10:39:59 PM PST by neverdem

Psychotropic drug prescriptions for teenagers skyrocketed 250 percent between 1994 and 2001, rising particularly sharply after 1999, when the federal government allowed direct-to-consumer advertising and looser promotion of off-label use of prescription drugs, according to a new Brandeis University study in the journal Psychiatric Services.

This dramatic increase in adolescent visits to health care professionals which resulted in a prescription for a psychotropic drug occurred despite the fact that few psychotropic drugs, typically prescribed for ADHD, depression and other mood disorders, are approved for use in children under 18. The study is one of the first to focus on prescriptions to adolescents, rather than children in general.

The study shows that by 2001, one in every ten of all office visits by teenage boys led to a prescription for a psychotropic drug. Other findings in the study show that a diagnosis of ADHD was given in about one-third of office visits during the study period. Also, between 14 and 26 percent of visits in which psychotropic medications were prescribed did not have an associated mental health diagnosis, said lead author Professor Cindy Parks Thomas, an expert on prescription drug trends, at Brandeis University's Heller School for Social Policy and Management.

"There is an alarming increase in prescribing these drugs to teens, and the reasons for this trend need further scrutiny," said Thomas. "Our study suggests a number of factors may be particularly important to assess, including the impact of direct-to-consumer advertising and other marketing strategies."

Additional factors likely fueling the trend, noted by the authors, include greater acceptance among physicians and the public of psychotropic drugs, the advent of new medications with fewer side effects, increased screening for mental health disorders, and patient demand for such drugs. Nevertheless, the study noted that overall, pharmaceutical companies increased their spending on television advertising six fold, to $1.5 billion, between 1996 and 2000, with the trend accelerating after 1997, when the Food and Drug Administration Modernization Act was passed.

However, at the same time teenagers were being prescribed more psychotropic drugs than ever before, other prescription drugs taken by adolescents were trending down, said Thomas. For example, the use of antibiotics, the most widely prescribed drugs for teenagers, fell dramatically in response to widespread public educational campaigns about the dangers of antibiotic resistance due to overuse of these drugs.

"The dramatic increase in prescribing of psychotropic medications is of considerable concern, particularly because these medications are not without risks," Thomas said.


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KEYWORDS: moralabsolutes; psychotropicdrug; teenagers; teens
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1 posted on 01/04/2006 10:40:00 PM PST by neverdem
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Turkish boy died from bird flu: doctor-(sister sick also)

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2 posted on 01/04/2006 10:52:35 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

As if they weren't confused enough already.


3 posted on 01/04/2006 10:55:46 PM PST by Just Lori (The road to hell is paved by liberals.)
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To: neverdem

when the federal government allowed direct-to-consumer advertising and looser promotion of off-label use of prescription drugs
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Well, how about letting pharmacies sell directly to consumers? Or should we continue to restrict liberty for the 'public saftey'.


4 posted on 01/04/2006 10:59:31 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: neverdem
"Psychotropic Drug Prescriptions For Teens Surge 250% Over 7 Year Period"

America's children are suffering from a nation gone mad with "legal" immorality of every kind, divorced parents, substance abuse, a lack of parental/teacher authority, violence glorified in tv/videos/movies, pressure to have sex by age 12, Satanic worship, body piercings, homosexual deviancy being almost worshipped by society, and worst of all from living in a country where God's name is prohibited by the state. In other words children are being raised in the chaos that State atheism has fostered. And the best answer they can find for our children is to feed them psyotropic drugs.

5 posted on 01/04/2006 11:06:13 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Spanaway Lori

I see we are creating our very own "THX-1138" society.


6 posted on 01/04/2006 11:13:37 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: neverdem

read/ping tomorrow.


7 posted on 01/04/2006 11:18:50 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: neverdem
They started giving Ritalin to hyperactive children in the
1970's .

If you watch the Director's Cut of THE EXORCIST which came out in theaters a few years ago, they discuss this psycho-pharmaceutical and its' use as a anti-depressant .

Risperidal first became available in the late 1950's,
I think . .
8 posted on 01/04/2006 11:24:55 PM PST by Costigan (Hey, that interview is so hyped up !)
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To: neverdem
OK, well, this time it's true..........

Timothy Leary's DEAD!
9 posted on 01/04/2006 11:31:42 PM PST by Txshep (Guess O'Reilly doesn't know that "reportage" and other words he uses are French ...)
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To: neverdem
I'd be willing to bet that psychotropic drugs prescribed for children under 12 have risen exponentially as well. Almost every kid I work with is drugged, and many take 3-5 different psychottropic medications. It is downright sickening. It seems that childhood is now an illness and many relatively normal childhood behaviors are now unacceptable, or even criminal. Our kids are being screwed up at an alarming rate by everything from abusive parents, to public "educators," to self-appointed therapeutic messiahs. But we dare not do anything to make the little darlings feel shame or pain, and we certainly musn't teach them about God. Why, that would be abusive! < /sarcasm >
10 posted on 01/04/2006 11:54:23 PM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: sweetliberty

Children are often inconvenient. And besides, aren't you curious about the long term effects of complex compounds on developing brains? It could be interesting.


11 posted on 01/05/2006 12:00:25 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

I think I'd rather trust the long term effects of the tried and true methods of appropriately applied butt whuppings, thoughtful listening, conscientious guidance and lots of hugs.


12 posted on 01/05/2006 12:05:25 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: durasell
For example, the use of antibiotics, the most widely prescribed drugs for teenagers, fell dramatically in response to widespread public educational campaigns about the dangers of antibiotic resistance due to overuse of these drugs.

Well, thank God for this bit of good news!

13 posted on 01/05/2006 12:06:52 AM PST by garandgal
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To: sweetliberty

What fun is that? You have to be pro-active and pour as many combinations of pharmaceutical compounds into the system as possible. I mean, the kid should have more drugs that Courtney Love's purse on a Saturday night.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 12:09:04 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

That only works until they're 18 or so, then they become labeled "addicts" and get sent to rehab or jail for continuing to "need" their drugs.


15 posted on 01/05/2006 12:11:02 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: garandgal

Yeah, well, every bit helps.


16 posted on 01/05/2006 12:13:00 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Now that we have gotten rid of the scourge of teenage antibiotics, I think I'll focus my efforts on other important endeavors.

Many elementary-aged children have been helped immeasurably by Ritalin. However, we have done nothing to alleviate the overuse of Flintstone multivitamins. I'm contacting my lawmakers tomorrow!

If we can stamp out the use of antibiotics in teens, while simultaneously increasing the use of antidepressants., we can surely tackle this problem.

17 posted on 01/05/2006 12:26:23 AM PST by garandgal
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To: garandgal

Anti-biotics were becoming a big problems. They were building better germs through over-prescription. Mis-use of
drugs were responsible for building the super strains of TB.

A lot of kids truly in need have been helped by ritalin, but it's hugely over-prescribed. The prescriptions for ritalin is in the millions. If a kid is unruly, they jam a pill down their throat. Now, they've started giving kids Prozac.

Maybe it's different in other parts of the country, but in NYC there are giant numbers of people medicated through prescription drugs for vague anxiety, depression etc. Added to that the folks who self-medicate with pot and alcohol on a regular basis.


18 posted on 01/05/2006 12:33:02 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: garandgal

http://www.sciencedaily.com/print.php?url=/releases/2001/01/010117075041.htm


19 posted on 01/05/2006 12:37:23 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
A lot of kids truly in need have been helped by ritalin, but it's hugely over-prescribed. The prescriptions for ritalin is in the millions. If a kid is unruly, they jam a pill down their throat. Now, they've started giving kids Prozac.

I know...I hope you know I was kidding! It's absolutely hideous, what they are doing.

They report with glee that they have dramatically lowered antibiotic prescriptions, and if my experience is any indication...many of the denied patients actually need antibiotics.

Meanwhile, they are ramping up the psychotropic drugs.

If anyone needs mental evaluation, it is the medical establishment that is fostering this travesty.

20 posted on 01/05/2006 12:47:05 AM PST by garandgal
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To: garandgal

Couple of years ago I lost a close relative. I was in the hospital room when they flatlined. I do what I have to do, walk out of the room and the doctor says, "Do you want a valium?'

"Uh, why?"

"You seem upset."

"Well yeah, pal. I'm supposed to be upset. It's what happens in these circumstances..." Actually, I didn't say that, but felt like it. I just said "No thanks."

It kinda hit me later that they're using drugs as the first choice rather than solving the problems.


21 posted on 01/05/2006 12:52:49 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: sweetliberty
I'd be willing to bet that psychotropic drugs prescribed for children under 12 have risen exponentially as well. Almost every kid I work with is drugged, and many take 3-5 different psychottropic medications. It is downright sickening. It seems that childhood is now an illness and many relatively normal childhood behaviors are now unacceptable, or even criminal. Our kids are being screwed up at an alarming rate by everything from abusive parents, to public "educators," to self-appointed therapeutic messiahs. But we dare not do anything to make the little darlings feel shame or pain, and we certainly musn't teach them about God. Why, that would be abusive! < /sarcasm >

Some do have actual problems that need medical attention but ignorance on the part of medical professionals treating them plus pharmaceutical companies IMO unethical pressures lead to a massive misdiagnoses and gross over prescribing of unnecessary medications.

ADD ADHD is there BUT there is a more common set of disorders {they can test for and confirm} called Central Auditory Processing Disorders. The symptoms mimic closely ADD ADHD and it takes either a trained Speech Pathologist or Audiologist to diagnose it. If you ask a shrink about C.A.P.D. you're gonna get a blank stare. C.A.P.S. is sensory damage or dysfunction believed to be caused from such things as chronic ear infections or chronic allergies that can damage a kid or adults Inner Ear.

There is a lot of information on CAPD out there. The best part is that the information comes far removed from Mental Health and even in most cases Pharmaceutical Company influences. Vestibular Research holds some answers but here is a clear danger the Mental Health pro's better face and understand. If you give a child or an adult who has sensory or motor sensory dysfunction drugs that can over tax their sensory system or cause a Serotonin migration to the brain, you stand a good risk of an adverse medication reaction called Serotonin Syndrome.

Serotonin is a chemical 98% contained in the stomach used for promoting digestion. The other 2% is located either in the brain or blood stream. When an adult or kid is given SSRI's and has this reaction the person can go psychotic even in the early stages {first few days of SSRI usage}.

It is a very real reaction and the person is not responsible nor can they control how they react to it. It is the same as giving them LSD maybe worse. Their hallucinations which can last up to 3-5 days from stopping the medication is their reality.

I don't argue the fact some adults need antidepressants as I have seen the good they can do. But I have also watched in horror for nearly a week someone in acute Serotonin Syndrome induced twice because the doctors insisted she needed more Zoloft.

The simple fact is doctors today do not do basic medical history & work ups to catch basic what used to be common problems and treat them. If a kid has an ear infection history, Chronic tonsilitus, Chronic streph Throat, vision dysfunction, trouble understanding you, and or sinus allergies, and acts like they have ADD ADHD they likely don't need Ritalin or an SSRI then.

They are acting out because their audio/visual sensory flooding & saturaterad environment is triggering them to act out. TV's can do it. Video games can do it also. A noisy class room is one they can not learn in. They can not listen and take notes etc. The behavior is caused by the frustration and agitation of multi-tasking which may be an impossibility or near impossibility for them. When that is understood & dealt with properly the symptoms subside somewhat and behavior improves. If not and they get prescribed sensory enhancers you can have a kid or adult ready to do harm to others.

22 posted on 01/05/2006 1:12:37 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: durasell
It kinda hit me later that they're using drugs as the first choice rather than solving the problems.

And just try getting a health insurance policy if you have ever been prescribed a psychotropic drug; these teenagers will be "marked" for life.

No more coverage for any type of mental health issues, unless they can find a group policy with no restrictions. Lovely.

23 posted on 01/05/2006 1:17:07 AM PST by garandgal
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To: All
ADD ADHD or is this the problem instead? Instead of Ratilin read this first.

Click here to get to the link

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It is more common simply because the triggering conditions are more common. This has been here since man likely. But todays technology is placing some kids and some of us adults into a world that is overtaxing our abilities to process the audio & visual events around us. The result can be Cognitive Behavioral Problems. That means depression, anxiety, agiation, and other reactions. Here is a great description a long read but worth it.

COGNITIVE ASPECTS OF VESTIBULAR DISORDERS

The Mental Health Profession does not look for this problem nor do many family doctors who refer a kid to a shrink.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 1:34:42 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: garandgal

Now there's an interesting angle...


25 posted on 01/05/2006 1:37:46 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: TheCrusader

..."America's children are suffering from a nation gone mad with "legal" immorality of every kind, divorced parents, substance abuse, a lack of parental/teacher authority, violence glorified in tv/videos/movies, pressure to have sex by age 12, Satanic worship, body piercings, homosexual deviancy being almost worshipped by society, and worst of all from living in a country where God's name is prohibited by the state. In other words children are being raised in the chaos that State atheism has fostered. And the best answer they can find for our children is to feed them psyotropic drugs."...

I doubt that children today can ever grow up in a normal way, even with great parents. These outside forces have overwhelmed the home..Only God can set this right again..


26 posted on 01/05/2006 2:50:03 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: sweetliberty

..."It seems that childhood is now an illness and many relatively normal childhood behaviors are now unacceptable, or even criminal. Our kids are being screwed up at an alarming rate by everything from abusive parents, to public "educators," to self-appointed therapeutic messiahs. But we dare not do anything to make the little darlings feel shame or pain, and we certainly musn't teach them about God. Why, that would be abusive!..."

And, don't forget that boys must be feminine and "sensitive" and girls must be masculine and "bold." You know, they must show the same interests..They must show only unisex traits. If they do not, then, they might need a psychotropic drug. Also, if they are given a sex survey in kindergarten and are not yet interested or are ignorant of what sex is, etc., etc., then they need treatment to teach them what their little bodies need. We are truly a sick nation, and are becoming more and more like the Europeans and the Netherlands where, I hear, anything goes. The adults who are going along with this are probably "drugged" themselves..It is no wonder the little ones need drugs to help them endure what has become a lost childhood and a lost gender legacy.


27 posted on 01/05/2006 2:59:17 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: neverdem

It's not just teens. About half of my family is on ssomething to help them "cope". I think trusting in God and working with Him is much better than trusting in drugs.


28 posted on 01/05/2006 3:00:45 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: traviskicks
Well, how about letting pharmacies sell directly to consumers?

In many instances, I'd be more inclined to trust my pharmacist than my doctor. I have only had doctors hand me prescriptions for things that would kill me three times. The pharmacist knows his drugs better, and is more likely to spot potential interactions between medications.

29 posted on 01/05/2006 3:05:35 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: sweetliberty
I think I'd rather trust the long term effects of the tried and true methods of appropriately applied butt whuppings, thoughtful listening, conscientious guidance and lots of hugs.

Much better program, IMO.

30 posted on 01/05/2006 3:07:40 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: durasell; sweetliberty
aren't you curious about the long term effects of complex compounds on developing brains?

I am curious. The question, of course is whether these treatments are a). necessary b). effective and c). doing more good than harm?

As soon as scientists figured out how to effectively use anti-biotics, their use gew at a much more rapid pace. Obviously their use was to save lives.

In many respects these psycotropic drugs are only one place removed (at that) of "lifestyle" drugs.

But, for doctors to keep prescribing them and for the parents to be satisfied, these drugs must have an effect that is pleasing at least for the parents.

31 posted on 01/05/2006 3:11:25 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit ("A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I'm sure the drugs are having the desired effect. The question is: will the long term effects be something less than desirable?

They are "lifestyle drugs" (if I understand the definition correctly). A woman's husband leaves her for the local cocktail waitress, a first move for her is to go on Prozac. I can't tell you how many women I've met who use the drug. Some of them like to mix the Prozac up with alcohol, pot and other misc. drugs -- so they have a nice stew of chemicals simmering away in their skulls.

In regards to kids, I would tend to view them as victims in this thing. You have GPs from HMOs prescribing these things like aspirin.


32 posted on 01/05/2006 3:40:51 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: garandgal

"And just try getting a health insurance policy if you have ever been prescribed a psychotropic drug; these teenagers will be "marked" for life."

Also do not forget...these kids will never legally own fire arms. Pretty sneaky way to promote a gun ban, hugh?


33 posted on 01/05/2006 4:57:49 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"for doctors to keep prescribing them and for the parents to be satisfied, these drugs must have an effect that is pleasing at least for the parents."

I have kids whose parents will shop around for a doctor until they get the diagnosis, and the drugs, that they want. Medicating them is far easier than actually parenting them.

To be fair, many of these parents were never parented themselves so they really have few inherent resources to draw on..

34 posted on 01/05/2006 5:17:00 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: neverdem

Dumb headline.... The prescription rate is up because the variety and effectiveness of drugs are up, while OTC availability is down.

20 years ago, they didn't prescribe drugs for ADHD, but self-medication was rampant through the availability of OTC drugs, like amphetamines, which now require a prescription. It's just that in 1980, they didn't classify amphetamines as psychotropic o r as prescription, they were OTC diet pills!

In 1994, when the survey period started, Prozac was the new kid on the block. People were very mistrusting of its effects, and frankly, with good reason; Prozac had the crudest effects. There are now dozens of safer drugs on the market which did not exist in 1994.


35 posted on 01/05/2006 5:31:51 AM PST by dangus
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To: sweetliberty
Drug use (legal) in our society is alarming. Doctors have turned my 90 year old mother into a $800 dollar-a-month drug addict with their drugs. It has not brought her happiness and we're desperate to make her more comfortable. I am resentful and bitter.

One day at lunch there were several mothers. At least three of them had children or grandchildren on drugs. It's a disgrace. Doctors don't have a clue what they're doing. They're just throwing sh__ against a fence post and hoping some sticks.

36 posted on 01/05/2006 6:29:56 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: neverdem
The study shows that by 2001, one in every ten of all office visits by teenage boys led to a prescription for a psychotropic drug. Other findings in the study show that a diagnosis of ADHD was given in about one-third of office visits during the study period. Also, between 14 and 26 percent of visits in which psychotropic medications were prescribed did not have an associated mental health diagnosis...

REALLY scary stuff here. How did our nation survive for its first 200 years before we had ADHD and psychotropic drugs to give the children?
37 posted on 01/05/2006 6:34:14 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: traviskicks

I don't think there should be any restrictions (i.e. no presecriptions needed, and no ban on direct-to-patient advertising) for any drug that doesn't have significant potential to cause harm to people OTHER than the person taking it. And frankly, if you take the drug alcohol as an unchangeable standard for where that line is drawn, there's practically no drug on the market today which would require a prescription. Alcohol is causing tens of thousands of deaths each year in this country, many of them innocent people who happened to be in the wrong place at the time, and crossed paths with the driving or violent drunk.

Currently, there's no way any drug could even get approval for prescription sale, much less OTC sale, with even a tenth of deaths inflicted by alcohol. There is no rational basis for such a system. And principles of liberty require that adults be allowed to do stupid dangerous things to themselves. If somebody wants to shoot up chemotherapy drugs, because they imagine that the ganglion cyst on their wrist is cancer, and don't want to pay a doctor and lab to find out what it really is, that's their business.


38 posted on 01/05/2006 8:25:07 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker; Smokin' Joe

And principles of liberty require that adults be allowed to do stupid dangerous things to themselves.
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Agreed. Before I meant to say 'pharmaceutical companies' should be able to sell driectly to consumers, not 'pharmacies'.

And we need to abolish the damn FDA.


39 posted on 01/05/2006 8:46:53 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

btw, interesting take/anology w/ alchol.


40 posted on 01/05/2006 8:47:33 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: bmwcyle

Ping.


41 posted on 01/05/2006 8:54:11 AM PST by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: sweetliberty

I agree. :)


42 posted on 01/05/2006 8:57:28 AM PST by Lovergirl (Yes! It's true. I am a SnowFlake.)
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To: sweetliberty

As an adult user of Ritalin (started at age 37) I've done a lot of reading and pondering on the growing use of Ritalin and similar drugs, in both adults and children. I'm increasingly convinced that there is a real need, and that it is the result of our inexorable march towards being an almost completely information-based society, which requires an education and adult lifestyle that is unnatural and for which many people's physiology is unsuited and not readily adapted. Sure, there are all sorts of social changes -- working moms, video games, etc. that have been cited as probably causes, and those things probably have some contributory effect, especially to the versions of ADHD which are characterized mainly by disruptive behavior. But the colossal change is that most people have little physical activity in their lives, and all the pressure of what you "must do" involves studying, sitting at a desk in an office, etc. Exercise has become a luxury, rather than something you couldn't help getting more than enough of, in the course or growing your food, chopping wood to heat the home over the winter, manual trades, the massive project of doing the family laundry, etc.

If this is in fact the main underlying cause, there's little hope for reversing the trend, at least until germ line genetic engineering reaches the point where we can identify the genes that make some people able to adapt well to the sedentary lifestyle of the information society, and sub it into all the offspring of people who don't adapt well. I don't think Ritalin and the related short-acting drugs do any significant harm, even in children, and suspect that within 20 years, these won't even be prescription drugs -- they'll be on the shelf right next to Benadryl, aspirin, and No-Doz (hopefully, the truly dangerous acetaminophen will be off the shelf by then).

I do think the increasing use of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs needs to be monitored and studied closely. The biggest problem with them is that they are only marginally effective in most patients, and totally ineffective in many. As a result, many people with serious psychological problems that have underlying causes that ARE fixable, are just being a given an ineffective band-aid, and then everybody around them relaxes and figures they're not in danger, and the underlying problems don't get seriously addressed. While I'm not convinced that these drugs actually CAUSE suicide in teens and adolescents as some researchers claim, the way they're used certainly compounds the problem, and may lead troubled teens to accelerate their slide into total despair, as they realize that no one around them is really going to help, and that now that they've been given this stupid ineffective pill, they're expected to buck up and get with the "program" that was probably the cause of their depression in the first place. Unlike adults, adolescents and teens have virtually no way to make fundamental changes in their lives -- where they go to school, where they live, who they live with, etc. Somebody has to make the changes for them, or they aren't going to get made.


43 posted on 01/05/2006 9:03:09 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: neverdem

Bush's fault.
(and don't forget guns,too!)


44 posted on 01/05/2006 9:30:41 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: neverdem

Well as long as it's legal drugs, it's ok! Legal drugs good! Illegal drugs bad! War on Some Drugs doubleplusgood!


45 posted on 01/05/2006 9:33:17 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: traviskicks

Pharmacies as intermediaries are probably a good idea, but only if they're required to deal face to face with the buyer or buyer's agent. Online purchasing is just like off-the-shelf purchasing, and does nothing to keep potentially dangerous drugs from being purchased by minors. Of course, right now, nothing stops a 10 year old from buying and taking all the acetaminophen s/he wants, right off the shelf, despite the fact that it's the leading cause of acute liver failure in the U.S., often necessitating liver transplants.

As for the FDA, I think it can serve as useful purpose as a certifying agency, but don't think it should have authority to keep any drug off the market. They should be able to say, we don't endorse Drug X, due to concern that its risks outweigh it benefits, but they should not be able to say that Drug X can't legally be sold to the public.

Something akin to the FDA would be needed to determine which few drugs really do need to be limited to prescription sales. Realistically, many things with risk-to-others levels comparable to alcohol simply won't be allowed on the market on a non-prescription basis, and there are certainly things with high potential for criminal misuse (e.g. Rohypnol) that any reasonable person would agree need to be tightly controlled.


46 posted on 01/05/2006 9:43:19 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: taxed2death
Also do not forget...these kids will never legally own fire arms. Pretty sneaky way to promote a gun ban, hugh?

Let's see now. I have 2 rifles, a shot gun, a pistol, and no problem legally obtaining or owning them. I also take Xanax. If a persons wants to go up against The System then they first need to understand what they are fighting. First of all understand the ADD ADHD so called epidemic and what it likely is. Could their actually be a true medical problem giving ADD ADHD symptoms in many kids? Yes. Does it take mind altering drugs to treat it? No! In most cases a mild antihistamine and learning environment modification does wonders.

I likely distrust the mental health profession and pharmaceutical companies as a whole more than anyone in here and with good cause to do so. But the light at the end of the tunnel came from education & not denial. I fought shrinks tooth and nail about taking SSRI's. I won but I had to learn more than they knew as to why SSRI's drugs are dangerous to certain patients. I started doing so by researching information through other than mental health venues.

Many times SSRI's even in adults are not necessary as drugs like Xanax and even Valium are more chemically suited and far safer for proper treatment. The conditions I posted of in kids if left unchecked can lead to Anxiety Disorders later in adults and yes I can prove it outside of Mental Health venues.

47 posted on 01/05/2006 9:45:09 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Want an insiders look into it? Start reading my post on this thread at post #58 :>} A related Thread BTW I gave up exercise a few months ago and feel much better actually :>} It was a killing my legs and feet :>} I am convinced these drugs given to some adults and kids alike can cause suicide or even homicide to occur. A Serotonin migration is something not to take likely. Persons with sensory damage are more prone to this happening. I can take Tylenol {sp} safely. I can't take Ibuprofen or even Aspirin anymore though. Asthma doctor said not to. Tylenol is safe IF use as directed. The tendency in many persons is simply to over-medicate.

Exercise has become a luxury, rather than something you couldn't help getting more than enough of, in the course or growing your food, chopping wood to heat the home over the winter, manual trades, the massive project of doing the family laundry, etc.

I wish I had the energy :>} but I don't beat myself up anymore because I don't. Some of these underlying disorders causing these problems make it nearly impossible. Did you know that to some persons simply reading a book 15 minutes can be physically & mentally exhausting? Some days are better than others. Your mileage may vary :>}

48 posted on 01/05/2006 10:09:24 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: sweetliberty
It seems that childhood is now an illness and many relatively normal childhood behaviors are now unacceptable, or even criminal.

I met a woman once who had her daughter on Ritalin. When I asked her what she was like without it, she said the daughter would "talk your ear off".

Doped for being a chatterbox. It made we want to cry.

49 posted on 01/05/2006 10:15:31 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I agree with your statement about the FDA as a certifying agency, however, a private agency could do this just as well and probably one would form due to demand by the public.

I disagree that some drugs need to be limited to perscription only. This opens the door to the type of tyranny we are currently living under.


50 posted on 01/05/2006 10:27:51 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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