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CA: The Minimum Wage Calamity
CaliforniaRepublic.org ^ | 1/5/06 | Ray Haynes

Posted on 01/05/2006 9:06:49 AM PST by NormsRevenge

As the year begins, we find Sacramento once again considering raising the minimum wage. Only this time, Governor Schwarzenegger has indicated he might support a bill raising the minimum wage to $7.25 next year, and $7.75 the year after.

In the wake of high energy costs, high building costs, high liability insurance costs, and workers’ compensation reform that doesn’t reduce costs nearly as much as we need to, we cannot afford to drive up the costs of doing business in California even higher. Even if you do not pay the minimum wage to more than a handful of employees, the inflationary impact it has on the entire salary scale can be significant.

The current federal minimum wage is $5.15 per hour. In California the minimum wage is $6.75 per hour. Left wing political rhetoric has succeeded in confusing the people into thinking that a ‘wage’ is an entitlement, not the price that the worker is worth in the marketplace for the job performed, the skills possessed, or the desirability of the worker to the employer. I think it is time we remind ourselves that wages are, in fact, a price paid for labor.

Everyone is familiar with the harmful economic effects of arbitrary government price controls in other aspects of the economy. Rent control results in fewer rental units. Price control on any goods results in fewer of those goods. Price control on labor results in fewer jobs.

It is an emotionally charged issue, which fails to take into account the ‘side effects’ of the law. If an employer has to pay an employee more than that employee produces for the company, the employer is losing money. So either the employee is fired, or the company goes bankrupt. Either way, the employee loses the job. This is government forced unemployment.

A forced minimum wage deprives the workplace of some lower skilled workers who would be capable of rendering beneficial services to an employer if that employee were allowed to be paid what his effort was worth, making that employee a productive member of society. The worker has been deprived of independence and self-respect which comes from self-support, even though he or she would otherwise be willing to do the work at a lower wage. Even worse, the best way to get a higher paying job is to do well at a lower paying job.

According to an analysis produced by the National Center of Policy Analysis, “The primary cause of low income, …, is no wages, not low wages.” They conclude that most of those who earn low wages are either teen-agers or other secondary earners spread rather evenly across the income distribution scale. According to a summary of their analysis, “While the single mother trying to support her child on a full-time minimum wage job is a better story, the 16-year-old hamburger-flipping student with college-educated and employed parents is a better fact.” Low-income families have a large number of people without jobs and without the skills to get a job. A mandated minimum wage forces them even further out of the job market.

Increasing the minimum wage increases the cost of goods and services, forcing many of the people who lost their jobs as a result of this government intervention to either pay higher prices, or do without. The government has deprived them of a job they could perform, and which would form the basis of further training to acquire higher wages, and has increased the price of goods that they might otherwise have been able to buy. All of this is sold to the public in the name of helping the poor. Some help!

Low-income families do not benefit from a minimum wage, and neither does the taxpayer. Once again we will consider increasing the cost to employers in California for a program that has never shown any legitimate long-term benefit to “the poor”, and that has far more often been shown to be a detriment not only to employers, but to the very “poor” the program is supposed to help. After all, you can only make the minimum wage if you have an employer who is providing a job.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: calamity; california; minimumwage; rayhaynes; schwarzenegger
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To: NormsRevenge

Minimum wage = Full employment for Illegals


41 posted on 01/05/2006 10:47:27 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: AppyPappy
I can't believe people settle for that kind of job.

Have you read the book, "Nickeled and Dimed" before? A very good experiment by a woman who decided to try and find good jobs with the standard, "I've been married and raising kids and now I have to re-enter the workforce with no experiences." She was actually a writer of many years. She had good health, and starter money. And she found it can be done. If you work yourself to death, essentially. It was miserable, it was horrible, she couldn't find a job that paid enough for even mediocre housing...
42 posted on 01/05/2006 10:49:20 AM PST by hybrid
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To: CondorFlight

All those 'hidden' costs for employees is true, plus workman's comp. Which is a killer in CA.


43 posted on 01/05/2006 10:49:24 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Happy 2006 everyone)
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To: NormsRevenge

Everyone here seems to be missing a key issue. Many (if not all) unions use the minimum wage as a bargaining tool. Increase the minimum wage, the unions will want higher wages too. And we have a lot of public unions going into contract negotiations soon..........


44 posted on 01/05/2006 10:58:24 AM PST by Godzilla (Insanity is hereditary - you get it from your kids)
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To: hybrid

How, precisely, is one person doing something one time a "good experiment"? Her book is on par with the anti-capitalist propaganda pushed by Morgan Spurlock (who did a similar "experiment" on his TV show, rigged to fail).

All a higher (or any) minimum wage law does is encourgage disobedience to the law and lower rates of lawful employment. There are plenty of tasks that need doing that simply aren't worth x dollars per hour to do, whatever x happens to be. The real minimum wage is and always will be zero, and in every study of the policy (as mentioned in the article), minimum wage laws only serve to increase the number of those earning zero.


45 posted on 01/05/2006 11:37:26 AM PST by leoncaruthers
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To: hybrid
(1) The employer is paying less-than-market rates, and will soon find that his best employees are leaving for greener pastures. Unfortunately, the 'greener pastures' do not exist; it is very difficult to move to another city, and wages tend to be similar no matter where you move.

This tells me that your employer is paying market rates for the services you provide.

It is simply not possible to just uproot if your employer tells you he can't pay you more than X.

Why not? In the last two centuries, a lot of people uprooted themselves for an uncertain future in this country. A lot of people still do, legally and illegally.

(2) The work done by the employees is not highly valued by the market, and the employer cannot afford to pay higher-than-market wages. I have many skills that are in high demand, most importantly a brain.

"Demand" and "value" can be two different beasts. "Demand" may exist when there is high turnover in a company. If my burger flippers quit every 3 months, I will have a lot of "demand" for new employees. However, I will not pay these employees more than what I think they're worth.

I've met very very few 'lazy' poor people. Most of them work their butts off and can't ever get ahead. Our courier works three jobs, sleeps a couple hours a night, just to support his ex-wife and their two kids. I know, that's just one guy, right...

I know people like that, too. But then again, I doubt either one of us hang out in the 'lazy poor' crowd. Wasn't there a recent post on FR about poor people and their big-screen TV's?

How many people on here would actually hire a poor person to do... anything? Or would you go out and hire the GQ-looking guy with the schnazzy care and the professionally-edited resume?

I don't think the Mexican day laborers would make the cover of GQ. Nor would migrant farm workers. Yet they still come here and work.

Quite frankly, the government sticks its nose in because nobody else will.

The government sticks its nose in because people in government profit, professionally, from being busybodies, and the People let them do it.

46 posted on 01/05/2006 12:32:59 PM PST by Fudd
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To: Fudd
Why does government need to stick its nose in the equation?

Because most people are too stupid to come in out of the rain, let alone develop the skills necessary to earn a living or to defend themselves from evil, greedy capitalist employers who, naturally, will exploit the workers and force them into abject poverty in order to line their own pockets.

Of course the Government must set wages, prices too....Its for the children.


47 posted on 01/05/2006 12:36:36 PM PST by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: hybrid
If there were no minimum wage and no welfare, you would have a whole lot of starving people, unfortunately. I'm not sure that is the trade-off people want.

Projectile horse vomit.

48 posted on 01/05/2006 12:47:24 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: FreeKeys
I still stand by my opinion. You are welcome to yours. I, however, won't make assumptions about what you do or do not know.

I am very blessed and fortunate to have been born in a nice community, nice schools, etc.....I never forget that.

49 posted on 01/05/2006 12:47:56 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats. by Thomas Sowell)
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To: hybrid
In other words, if you are poor it is your own damn fault?

You bet it is!

50 posted on 01/05/2006 12:49:47 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: yellowdoghunter
I just can't believe that McDonald's or Wal-Mart, etc... cannot afford to pay their workers more

So what if they could? Bill Gates could "afford" to give $10 to every American. Is he morally required to do so?

51 posted on 01/05/2006 12:52:53 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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To: ThinkDifferent

We will just have to agree to disagree.


52 posted on 01/05/2006 12:59:15 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats. by Thomas Sowell)
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To: hybrid
How many people on here would actually hire a poor person to do... anything? Or would you go out and hire the GQ-looking guy with the schnazzy care and the professionally-edited resume?

That would depend on what each is charging. Which means that the poor guy gets screwed by minimum wage laws since they limit his ability to compete by offering a lower price.

53 posted on 01/05/2006 1:01:58 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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To: hybrid
she couldn't find a job that paid enough for even mediocre housing

Mediocre housing is 90% better than places I have lived. How about a DORM? It's like a prison cell without a toilet.

Cry me a river.

54 posted on 01/05/2006 1:05:59 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Thank you for your courteous reply.


55 posted on 01/05/2006 1:06:51 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Politicians ... accuse you of 'greed' ... for wanting to keep your own money."-- Joseph Sobran)
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To: yellowdoghunter
We will just have to agree to disagree.

Disagree on what? What's the difference in your claim that McDonalds should be paying its workers $X more than market wages because they can afford it, and the claim that Bill Gates should pay me $X because he can afford it?

56 posted on 01/05/2006 1:06:56 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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To: AppyPappy
Mediocre housing is 90% better than places I have lived. How about a DORM? It's like a prison cell without a toilet.

My son rents a room in a house. He has bathroom privileges and use of the kitchen. $500/month. A full up single bedroom apartment would cost him $1200 in the same area. It's good enough to keep him fed, clothed and running up his student loans toward a June 2006 graduation date. He's gone from flipping burgers to selling real estate to being a real estate broker in 2 years. He'll have a business degree in June. That comes from working his ass off. He chose not to be a minimum wage burger flipper. Remaining poor is a choice in this country.

57 posted on 01/05/2006 1:55:43 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Fudd
Why not? In the last two centuries, a lot of people uprooted themselves for an uncertain future in this country. A lot of people still do, legally and illegally.

True enough; if you are willing to live in the fields or in your car; if you are willing to live with 10 other people; if you are capable of saving up deposits, finding an apartment that accepts your credit (if you have any) and hoping that the area you chose has a good job market, which, if you are poor, is hard to find out ahead of time. Uncertain is puting it mildly.

"Demand" and "value" can be two different beasts. "Demand" may exist when there is high turnover in a company. If my burger flippers quit every 3 months, I will have a lot of "demand" for new employees. However, I will not pay these employees more than what I think they're worth.

I'm not talking about flipping burgers. I am essentially an executive assistant. I make around 15/hr BEFORE anything gets taken out. I can work any office machine and learn programs quickly. I cannot find a job that will pay me more than what I am currently earning; most offer me far, far less. These are positions I see open long-term, over and over again. They refuse to raise their wages, yet cannot understand why people hate the job. Yet it will be filled, for six or eight months, over and over again. This is happening in jobs all over SoCal. This is not even taking into account the fact that I refuse to do any advertising work anymore. I have a degree. I was a Marketing Coordinator. And I refuse to do crap work for overpaid idiot executives (and they were) when they consistantly claimed they couldn't raise our wages, yet would waste money on the most outrageous 'projects' for the co. Which often involved half the execs flying to damn shows, staying at the nicest hotels, and us covering their asses time and again.

The government sticks its nose in because people in government profit, professionally, from being busybodies, and the People let them do it.

That sounds like a nice line, however, except for the higher echelons (those actually running the boards and such), I don't see a whole lot of government employees 'profiting' from poor people.
58 posted on 01/05/2006 2:11:35 PM PST by hybrid
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To: parsifal

You cannot change the value of someone's labor by government fiat...by the stroke of the Govern-ator's pen.

Minimum wage laws are nothing more than forced redistribution of the wealth, otherwise known as, SOCIALISM.


59 posted on 01/05/2006 2:16:10 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: Red Badger; SamAdams76

Do I HEAR $100????


60 posted on 01/05/2006 2:16:48 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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