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Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy
Reuters ^ | 1/3/06 | Mark Trevelyan

Posted on 01/05/2006 10:03:10 AM PST by Kenny Bunk

BERLIN (Jan. 4) - Cuba lay behind the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald and its agents provided the gunman with money and support, an award-winning German director says in a new documentary film.

Wilfried Huismann spent three years researching "Rendezvous with Death," based on interviews with former Cuban secret agents, U.S. officials and a Russian intelligence source, and on research in Mexican security archives.

The film, shown to journalists in Berlin on Wednesday, says Oswald traveled to Mexico City by bus in September 1963, seven weeks before the Kennedy shooting, and met agents at the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500.

Oscar Marino, a former Cuban agent and a key source for the documentary, told Huismann that Oswald himself had volunteered for the assassination mission and Havana had exploited him.

"Oswald was a dissident. He hated his country...Oswald offered to kill Kennedy," Marino said in the film.

He was so full of hate, he had the idea. We used him...He was a tool."

He said he knew with certainty that the assassination was an operation of the Cuban secret service G-2, but would not say if it was ordered by President Fidel Castro.

Oswald was shot dead by Jack Ruby two days after killing Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

The film argues Cuba wanted to eliminate Kennedy as the chief enemy of its Communist revolution, and portrays him and Castro as dueling opponents each trying to assassinate the other first.

What They Said:

''Oswald was a dissident. He hated his country... Oswald offered to kill Kennedy. ...We used him.''

Oscar Marino, a former Cuban agent, speaking in the documentary

Former CIA official Sam Halpern told Huismann: "He (Castro) beat us. He bested us. He came out on top, and we lost."

FBI PROBE ABORTED

Laurence Keenan, an officer of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) who was sent to Mexico City immediately after Kennedy's death to investigate a possible Cuban connection, said he was recalled after just three days and the probe was aborted.

"This was perhaps the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved in," Keenan said. "I realized that I was used. I felt ashamed. We missed a moment in history."

Keenan, 81, said he was convinced Kennedy's successor, Lyndon Johnson, blocked further investigation because proof of a Cuban link would put him under irresistible pressure to invade the island, a year after the Cuban missile crisis had brought the United States and Soviet Union to the brink of nuclear war.

"Most likely there would have been an invasion of Cuba which could have had unknown consequences for the whole world," he told journalists at the screening, saying that was why Johnson preferred to accept Oswald was "a crazed lone Marxist assassin."

Interviewed for the film, Alexander Haig, then a U.S. military adviser and later secretary of state, quoted Johnson as saying "we simply must not allow the American people to believe that Fidel Castro could have killed our president."

"And the reason was that there would be a right-wing uprising in America, which would keep the Democratic party out of power for two generations," Haig said.

He added that Robert F. Kennedy, brother of the assassinated president and attorney general in his administration, had personally ordered eight attempts on the life of Castro, who is still in power to this day.

Cuban and Russian sources interviewed in the film say the KGB alerted the Cubans to Oswald in mid-1962 after he left the Soviet Union, where he had lived for three years, and returned to the United States with his Soviet wife and their daughter.

Cuban intelligence first made contact with Oswald in November 1962, according to the film.

Huismann also unearthed a U.S. intelligence report shown to Johnson which said Cuban secret service chief Fabian Escalante flew via Mexico City to Dallas on the day of Kennedy's assassination, and back again the same day.

Tracked down by the film maker, Escalante denied he had been in Dallas and evaded questions about Cuba's alleged role. "What is truth, what are lies?" he said, smiling


TOPICS: Cuba; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Russia; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: assasination; castro; conspiracytheory; dallas; fbi; jfk; jfkassassination; oswald; rfk
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1 posted on 01/05/2006 10:03:12 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk

Hmmm. Reported by al-Reuters. I hope it gets some play so all the Cuba/Castro lovers on the left can 'splain' their affinity for the killer of their idol, JFK...


2 posted on 01/05/2006 10:05:13 AM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties and 'Rats: Over 3 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Nice of Al Haig to keep this to himself for 40 years.

Maybe this is something we should known about.

Just like the attack on the USS Liberty or the Tolkin Gulf lie.

LBJ the worst president ever.


3 posted on 01/05/2006 10:05:21 AM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Wouldn't surprise me.


4 posted on 01/05/2006 10:05:30 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Kenny Bunk
"Rendezvous with Death"

AKA Farenheit 11-22.

5 posted on 01/05/2006 10:05:31 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: rcocean

No, Carter was worse.

Carter betrayed the Shah of Iran, which gave root to the muslim mess we are in today.


6 posted on 01/05/2006 10:08:21 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Kenny Bunk; Admin Moderator
Already been posted: Cuba 'Paid Oswald to kill Kennedy'
7 posted on 01/05/2006 10:10:47 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Carter betrayed the Shah of Iran, which gave root to the muslim mess we are in today. - a fact for sure, some men are born peanut farmers, I still believe Billy was miss Lily's best one.
8 posted on 01/05/2006 10:11:33 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Kenny Bunk

they may have paid Oswald to go to work that day with that Mickey Mouse rifle in hand but to "shoot JFK"...never...they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet!!


9 posted on 01/05/2006 10:12:13 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Why couldn't LHO buy a decent rifle?


10 posted on 01/05/2006 10:13:27 AM PST by Poincare
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To: kellynla

"they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet!!"

Actually, "Myth Busters" (or equivalent TV show) just did, replete with spinning "magic" bullet losing velocity and bruising, but not puncturing the third person beside the pres.


11 posted on 01/05/2006 10:14:49 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: SF Republican

Heck yeah, Billy made beer. That is an honest and positive contribution to society. Then there's Jimmah. Where does one start with his, ahem, contributions...


12 posted on 01/05/2006 10:16:10 AM PST by kenth
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To: kellynla

LBJ and Hoover had it done through Mafia hitmen. The crime of the century HAS been solved, nobody knows because the MSM is still covering their butts. Cronkite, Huntley-Brinkley, the folks at ABC and CNN have been covering for years. To admit the truth now would be hugely embarrassing.


13 posted on 01/05/2006 10:20:43 AM PST by kjo
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To: kellynla

I remember seeing a show on famous guns on one of the cable channels, and of course they featured oswald's. As I remember it was a pretty cheap rifle.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 10:21:55 AM PST by mallardx
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To: Kenny Bunk

Fine. Let's kill Castro just in case he's right.


15 posted on 01/05/2006 10:21:58 AM PST by Flightdeck (Longhorns+January=Rose Bowl Repeat)
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To: kellynla
they may have paid Oswald to go to work that day with that Mickey Mouse rifle in hand but to "shoot JFK"...never...they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet!!

Nonsense. I saw an 80 year old man demonstrate it on TV.

16 posted on 01/05/2006 10:29:27 AM PST by bkepley
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To: Kenny Bunk

The only thing is that Castro denied killing Kennedy because it would be a stupid thing to do. The US would invade Cuba in a New York minute if Castro did order this hit and he knows that.


17 posted on 01/05/2006 10:31:22 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: MeanWestTexan
but not puncturing the third person beside the pres.

I think the problem was just that it was a simulation of a human body and not the real thing. Even if you had the real thing you'd have to set up everything exactly the same. The demonstration proved pretty well the path of the bullet.

18 posted on 01/05/2006 10:31:48 AM PST by bkepley
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To: MeanWestTexan
No, Carter was worse.

Perhaps, but Carter didn't draft me, as did LBJ, to fight a war in Southeast Asia so the Democrats could keep the White House in 1968 (which they didn't anyway).

Re: See remarks by Alexander Haig. Cuba AND Vietnam were the Democrats foreign policy political vulnerabilities in the 1960's.

AAMOF, foreign policy is still the Democrats political vulnerability. They want peace, but they aren't willing to fight for it. War, for the Democrats, is like welfare, they only do it for the votes.

19 posted on 01/05/2006 10:32:09 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Kenny Bunk

Why is this just now coming out?

Can't help but be suspicious.

Possibility one, he's guilty, the people involved are getting old and want to claim their piece of history before they die.

Possibility two, he's guilty, and we're preparing the justification to take him out, Saddam/Noriega style.

Possibility three, he's guilty, Bush is worried about the upcoming election, and has decided to go for the "nuclear option" that makes those few remaining Reagan Democrats leave the DNC in disgust once and for all.

Possibility four, he's guilty, his crime was covered up by FBI, CIA, and DNC perfidy, and after Bush's last five years of being pounded and betrayed by traitors in the CIA and the DNC, he's decided to expose them for what they are.

Possibility five, he's partly guilty, he's not long for this world, and the other guilty parties are going to make sure he gets the blame, and not them.

Possibility six, he's not guilty at all, and the guilty parties have decided to make him take their guilt to the grave. It may also provide justification to take him out anyway, which is still a beneficial side-effect. We could look around for those missing WMD while we're at it. Castro could swap stories with Noriega and Saddam.


20 posted on 01/05/2006 10:33:15 AM PST by marron
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To: mallardx

Back in those days you could buy a 1903 Springfield from Sears for $50; war surplus from other countries was even cheaper.


21 posted on 01/05/2006 10:34:01 AM PST by sailor4321
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To: Kenny Bunk

Cuba recruiting a willing Oswald, sounds believable.


22 posted on 01/05/2006 10:34:31 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: bkepley

Yes, I have seen the recent specials on TV and seen these shots easily duplicated. But this and other myths, bolstered by Oliver Stone's movie, have contributed to the myht.


23 posted on 01/05/2006 10:35:49 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: kellynla
they may have paid Oswald to go to work that day with that Mickey Mouse rifle in hand but to "shoot JFK"...never...they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet!!

Simply not true. 3 shots through a scoped rifle in about 5 seconds (with the first shot at the first instant of that time) at a slow-moving target about 100 yards away is no big deal for a Marine-trained marksman.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 10:36:20 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: 1Old Pro

No evidence of him receving $6500 has been shown. What did he do with the money?? Make a down payment on a 1959 Studebaker Lark??


This sounds dubious to me. If it were true, it would have more concrete evidence. I don't think LBJ was frightened of Fidel Castro, with all due respect.


25 posted on 01/05/2006 10:36:45 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: MeanWestTexan

and laying the pristine bullet on the gurney? LMAO

I qualified Expert while in the Marine Corps with a M-14 and I'm not sure I could have put three shots in the back of JFK's head & back while the open air limo was moving up the street using that POS bolt action rifle and scope that Oswald used...
nope, there were two and probably three snipers that day and you can bet your house they weren't using no 12 dollar rifles. LOL


26 posted on 01/05/2006 10:36:48 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Kenny Bunk
...the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500.

About $38,000 in today's dollars.

27 posted on 01/05/2006 10:37:04 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: elbucko

I worked for a neurosurgeon who was a classmate of the doctor's who did JFK's surgery. He happens to be a history buff also and told me that when Jackie climbed on the back of the convertible she was retriving the back of the president's skull; that he could have been saved in surgery.


28 posted on 01/05/2006 10:37:44 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: SF Republican
I still believe Billy was miss Lily's best one.

Remember the joke going around after a few years of the "Jimmy & Billy Show":

Q. What woman in the US has the biggest boobs?

A. Lillian Carter. She has Jimmy and Billy.

29 posted on 01/05/2006 10:39:01 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Ancesthntr

"at a slow-moving target about 100 yards away is no big deal for a Marine-trained marksman."

Have you ever qualified?

Well I have. Expert!

and I have actually been in combat and taken shots and I'm telling you that that POS rifle Oswald used was not the rifle that killed JFK! PERIOD!


30 posted on 01/05/2006 10:40:03 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: mallardx
"As I remember it was a pretty cheap rifle."

All military surplus rifles were cheap in those days.

They still had the inherent accuracy that all military arms are made with though.

And we don't know how well Oswald could shoot.

31 posted on 01/05/2006 10:42:38 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: kellynla
they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet

Yes they have with the very rifle Oswald used and with bullets from the same Mfg lot.

It was on the History channel and Discovery.

To prove it was no fluke they did it twice with ballistic gel dummies. For the first go round everything went off without a hitch, for the second go round, they used dummies with cadaver bones, the bullet went through a bone that it was supposed to graze and did not break the skin of the 'Governor's' leg for that reason but it struck just where it was supposed to.

After the experiments they took the dummies to two different coroners who claimed that it was physically impossible for the wounds to both 'victims' to be caused by a single shot (sound familiar). When they were shown the video of the simulations, they were completely floored by it.

Another myth was that Oswalds rifle was a poorly constructed, rarely accurate weapon. This was proved false, they had several of the rifles for testing and they outperformed many high end weapons in terms of accuracy, range, and power.
32 posted on 01/05/2006 10:42:59 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Why does sour cream have an expiration date?)
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To: Obadiah

Here is a great documentary on everything you wanted to know about Oswald . ..

I think he was a misfit, and didn't need any encouragement or help from Russia or Cuba. A lot of the KGB thought that Oswald was either a flake or double agent.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/


33 posted on 01/05/2006 10:43:31 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: Obadiah

What did he do with all the money? Both him and his wife lived like paupers . .


34 posted on 01/05/2006 10:45:54 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: MeanWestTexan; kellynla
Kelly, this data about LHO and the cheap rifle is disinformation.

The Mannlicher Carcano is a real sleazy cheap-o, OK. But, is is also a very fast bolt action, more than reasonably accurate, and fired a very useful 6.5MM round at a fairly high velocity. Further more the recoil is rather light, which is a big help in fast shooting.

The bullet, a long FMJ, has excellent penetration because of its sectional density. Many countries used similar rounds with similar ballistics as their military cartridge for years. Various 6.5s are excellent hunting cartridges, too.

Oswald's alleged shots would have been duck soup for any qualified Marine. They were all in enfilade, that is going practically straight ahead, and the range wasn't great. As far as the speed of fire, three in six seconds? Piece of cake, especially if the first one is in the chamber and you're cocked.

This shooting has been duplicated over and over. There simply is very little doubt about it, LHO had equipment that was up the task. Wasn't great equipment, but adequate.

As far as the main premise of this film, namely that Castro took advantage of a walk-in? Well OK? But doesn't anyone find it a teensy bit coincidental that this walk-in lived in the the Soviet Union for so long?

I think this may be disinformation to cover the KGB, whom I believe to have been in it up to their eyeballs, possibly supplying LHO to Fidel.

I personally have always been on the "Fidel Dunnit" conspiracy team. Hopefully this "documentary" will shed more light in a dark corner. And co-incidentally make the Fidelistas among us, who are also JFK idolaters, look pretty damn stupid.

35 posted on 01/05/2006 10:46:25 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: Froufrou
I worked for a neurosurgeon who.....told me that when Jackie climbed on the back of the convertible she was retrieving the back of the president's skull; that he could have been saved in surgery.

I believe it. She is not acting like someone who is seeking cover from a hail of bullets. For that, she would have been ducking down into the foot-well of the back seat. The way "Jackie" was crawling, seemingly with purpose over the back of the convertible, lends credibility to your post.

36 posted on 01/05/2006 10:47:08 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Kenny Bunk
Now com'on. I saw a "documentary" about the Kennedy assassination on the History Channel. They said it was not Castro or the Cubans, it was Clint Murcheson (owner of the Cowboys and and oil man)and Richard Nixon. Now there is no reason for them to be biased is there? Huh? Is there? Me? What the hell, I am still holding out for LBJ being behind it.

By the way. That Mannlichier-Carcano (sp?) rifle was sold mail order for $19.95. The last I heard nobody but no body had ever been able to place 3 shots in a moving target in the that short of time with one of these. Italian military rifle that was not very well made and not very accurate. Oh hell not accurate at all.
37 posted on 01/05/2006 10:49:16 AM PST by Long Distance Rider
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To: MeanWestTexan

Amen to that!!


38 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:27 AM PST by Steveone (Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
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To: floridaobserver
A lot of the KGB thought that Oswald was either a flake or double agent.

Yassure, that's what they said. But none of them address the facts that Oswald lived like a king in the Soviet Union, that they had him create a fictitious bio, that he was married to Marina, who's family were big in security, etc.etc.

In fact, the KGB tried to float the story line that they had NO INTEREST in LHO. This, in an era in which every foreigner in the USSR had a KGB Surveillance Squad and was required to live in bugged quarters.

cf Lee Epstein's "Legend."

39 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:49 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: HEY4QDEMS; kellynla
Just one more note;

The bullets' condition after the shots, (even the one that hit the rib bone), was virtually in the exact same condition as the so called "pristine" bullet recovered from Parkland Hospital.

40 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:50 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Why does sour cream have an expiration date?)
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To: kellynla
Have you ever qualified?

No, but no one asked if I shot Kennedy.

Well I have. Expert!

Congratulations (sincerely). Also, thank you for serving our nation.

...and I'm telling you that that POS rifle Oswald used was not the rifle that killed JFK! PERIOD!

I respectfully disagree. For a more substantive response, see post #32.

41 posted on 01/05/2006 10:54:31 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Kenny Bunk

If you were the KGB, would you ask someone who had publicly defected to Russia and been jailed for handing out leaflets for Free Play for Cuba?


Not exactly a low profile assassin. Russia or Cuba would have used someone less connected to them. Otherwise the chance of nuclear retaliation and war would have been too great.


42 posted on 01/05/2006 10:57:13 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: Kenny Bunk

We better keep an eye on Castro and all those Hollywood Castro lovers, they may be submissive to their master.


43 posted on 01/05/2006 10:58:31 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: kjo

LBJ did it? Come on. I refuse to believe we would elect a person so evil.


44 posted on 01/05/2006 10:58:56 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: rcocean

No, LBJ was bad, but the worst President ever, was Jimmy Carter. Not even close.


45 posted on 01/05/2006 10:59:56 AM PST by anton
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To: floridaobserver
I think he was a misfit, and didn't need any encouragement or help from Russia or Cuba.

I think so too. Much like 9/11, the events on 11/22/63 were nothing more than a tragic comedy of errors and oversights.

46 posted on 01/05/2006 11:01:32 AM PST by elbucko
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To: elbucko

Smart. I hadn't thought of it that way. I just thought she was acting calmly in a bad situation. But that was before the neurosurgeon told me what he did.

I have never quite known what to make of the remark that he could've been saved. He obviously knew the Dallas man's qualifications and felt there'd been some compromise.


47 posted on 01/05/2006 11:04:47 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: rwfromkansas; kjo

I heard that, too. But to believe it, I think you'd also have to believe he had more money and connections than the Kennedys.

And that, I don't buy.


48 posted on 01/05/2006 11:07:18 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
I have never quite known what to make of the remark that he could've been saved.

I think she was merely acting on instinct and adrenalin. A soldier, stunned by a blast that severs an arm, will pick up the arm and carry it away.....for a few steps. It's automatic. She was just picking up the pieces of her recently shot husband.

49 posted on 01/05/2006 11:14:11 AM PST by elbucko
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To: kellynla
"shoot JFK"...never...they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet!!

That is one of the most enduring myths in American history. Anyone who has been in the school book depository and looked down at where the motorcade was can see it wouldn't have even required a genuine marksman. In fact, NOVA did exactly what you say is impossible and were even able to get off more rounds than the 4 that Oswald fired. The bullets retrieved from the car and the bodies were fired from Oswalds Manlicher. The school book depository is in fact the optimal place from which to have fired on Kennedy.

50 posted on 01/05/2006 11:15:44 AM PST by Casloy
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