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NSA whistleblower asks to testify
The Washington Times ^ | 01/05/2006 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 01/05/2006 11:02:53 AM PST by Ronald Goldwater

NSA Whistleblower Asks to Testify

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published January 5, 2006

"I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while I was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency and with the Defense Intelligence Agency," Mr. Tice stated in the Dec. 16 letters, copies of which were obtained by The Washington Times.

...Read the full story here.

The lid is about to blow.

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(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: congress; dia; gertz; illegal; learntosearch; nsa; old; ozone; patriotleak; russelltice; sniff; spying; tice; troll; washingtontimes; yesterday; zot

1 posted on 01/05/2006 11:02:55 AM PST by Ronald Goldwater
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To: Ronald Goldwater

Check his political affiliations and donations.


2 posted on 01/05/2006 11:06:12 AM PST by jw777
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To: Ronald Goldwater

I think it has finally occured to him that he broke state secrets and is now trying to cover his ass.


3 posted on 01/05/2006 11:07:47 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Ronald Goldwater
He is NOT a Whistleblower, and just how many times does this stupid story have to be posted?
4 posted on 01/05/2006 11:08:05 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: pbrown

I should have added at the end of the sentence...by going on the defensive.


5 posted on 01/05/2006 11:09:04 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Ronald Goldwater
""I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts"


So does that mean he THINKS they are unlawful?
6 posted on 01/05/2006 11:09:05 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Ronald Goldwater

Please do not alter orginal headlines.


7 posted on 01/05/2006 11:13:46 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Bigh4u2

"I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts"


----So does that mean he THINKS they are unlawful? ----

Suppose some member of the military in 1944 thought it would be unlawful to drop a bomb on Hiroshima and therefore disclosed our plan to do so???


8 posted on 01/05/2006 11:16:04 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Bigh4u2

This guy should have been dragged out his house in shackles on Christmas morning. Three weeks have gone by since this first hit, and the Dems have been allowed to frame the debate as "conscientous leakers" instead of the treasonous conspiracy that this represents.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 11:18:46 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Ronald Goldwater
In his Dec. 16 letter, Mr. Tice wrote that his testimony would be given under the provisions of the 1998 Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, which makes it legal for intelligence officials to disclose wrongdoing without being punished.

I suppose it would have been too much for the newspaper to clarify this statement.

which makes it legal for intelligence officials to disclose wrongdoing TO CONGRESS without being punished.

I doubt the law allows disclosure of what one thinks is illegal, to the New York Times.
10 posted on 01/05/2006 11:20:33 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Pukin Dog

Assume for an insane moment that he were a whistleblower. Is a whistleblower allowed to whistleblow to the New York Times? (Or as Ann Coulter is wont to say, The Treason Times.)

Isn't the statute pretty specific as to the procedures a whistleblower must follow in his/her whistleblowing?

("You just put your lips together and blow.")


11 posted on 01/05/2006 11:22:05 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Paloma_55

"Suppose some member of the military in 1944 thought it would be unlawful to drop a bomb on Hiroshima and therefore disclosed our plan to do so???"

The words "Firing Squad" come to mind.


12 posted on 01/05/2006 11:22:10 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Ronald Goldwater
The following article was published 5 days before the NYT hit piece, and indeed before Tice made it clear he wanted to be a "whistleblower" about the NSA.

The article goes on to say that Tice's alleged "spy" colleague was exonerated, and that the report is unclassified. However I cannot locate it anywhere on www.dodig.mil.

In federal job: Blow whistle, get boot

Workers say broken system doesn't protect them from retaliation
By Rebecca Carr
WASHINGTON BUREAU
The Austin American-Statesman.

Sunday, December 11, 2005

WASHINGTON — Russell Tice was a senior intelligence analyst at the National Security Agency until he demanded to know in April 2003 what had happened to a report he had filed about a former colleague he suspected of spying for China. Two months later, he found himself checking coolant at the agency's motor pool.

Not only did Tice get demoted from the elite ranks of the intelligence community, but he was also deemed "paranoid" by one of the agency's psychologists, a death sentence in the intelligence field. Just nine months earlier, Tice had been found psychologically sound during a routine evaluation.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/12/11whistleblower.html

13 posted on 01/05/2006 11:32:02 AM PST by angkor
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To: Ronald Goldwater
Russ Tice, a whistleblower who was dismissed from the NSA last year

Do you have ANY idea how difficult it is to "dismiss" a federal employee? Sum ting wong here.

USAF LT General Mike Hayden, former head of NSA, now deputy for Homeland Security, is about as good a man as they come. Watch betwen the lines for honest fair reporting on the validity of what Mr. Tice claims.
14 posted on 01/05/2006 11:35:13 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Ronald Goldwater
Mr. Tice said yesterday that he was not part of the intercept program.

HELLO?! This guy wasn't even part of the program he's trying to testify against. He's just some crackpot who got fired and wants some payback.

15 posted on 01/05/2006 11:39:11 AM PST by Steel Wolf (If the Founders had wanted the President to be spying on our phone calls, they would have said so!)
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To: Ronald Goldwater
Russ Tice who has been dismissed last year from the agency claims that he possibly revealed secret information.
Russ is running for cover under Whistle blower protection as he realizes that his leakage will pop up.
He needs to be made aware that there are "rewards" out there for revealing his sources, what he passed along, and to whom.
His reward falls under lenient sentencing upon conviction for supporting to bring leaker's and recipients into the open.
What was the reason for his dismissal?
Is it for revealing National secretes, for which he signed and took an oath under a National Security confidentiality agreement.
Russ Tice got hot feet and tries to escape from answering for his breaking of oath.
16 posted on 01/05/2006 11:42:10 AM PST by hermgem
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To: Ronald Goldwater

Tice, Tice... Sounds extremely familiar.


17 posted on 01/05/2006 11:46:45 AM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Bigh4u2
He is not acting alone. The dems and other internal enemies of this nation(probably clinton plants) are behind this.
18 posted on 01/05/2006 11:49:42 AM PST by gedeon3
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To: jw777; All

Tice (per the Rush Limbaugh show) is part of some "Whistleblower" group, made up largely of dismissed government employees (read: people with axes to grind). This same group was deeply involved with the Plame charade. Hmm, a picture is beginning to emerge...


19 posted on 01/05/2006 11:49:52 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: hermgem

See #13


20 posted on 01/05/2006 11:50:56 AM PST by angkor
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To: Ronald Goldwater

"Russ Tice, a whistleblower who was dismissed from the NSA last year."


Disgruntled former employee.


21 posted on 01/05/2006 11:53:07 AM PST by Textphile (life member, Disabled American Veterans - American Legion)
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To: angkor
Workers say broken system doesn't protect them from retaliation

You're only protected if you're not a crank. This guys clearly one of the many socially inept egotistical jerks that can be found at NSA and other nooks and crannies of the intelligence field. It just seems that in his case, he's way over the line with his eccentricities.

If I got fired from my job at one McDonalds for not coming to work on time, and then showed up as a 'whistleblower' against health code violations of a different McDonalds, why would anyone take me seriously?

They wouldn't.

So who cares? This is a guy with an axe to grind, and who wasn't part of the program in question.

22 posted on 01/05/2006 11:57:10 AM PST by Steel Wolf (If the Founders had wanted the President to be spying on our phone calls, they would have said so!)
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To: Pukin Dog

As Rush pointed out. This guy is a leaker.

Whistleblowers are supposed to report suspected wrong doing to an internal agency so the problem can be investigated internally without compromising security for instance.

This fired employee went public - that's a leaker/traitor.


23 posted on 01/05/2006 11:57:21 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Textphile

No, a nutcase with a history of false "whistleblowing". See post #13.


24 posted on 01/05/2006 11:59:59 AM PST by angkor
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To: Ronald Goldwater
The letters were sent the same day that the New York Times revealed that the NSA was engaged in a clandestine eavesdropping program..... Mr. Tice said yesterday that he was not part of the intercept program.

Gee, wonder where Mr. Tice got his knowledge of this program?

25 posted on 01/05/2006 12:00:23 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Pukin Dog

You have to wonder how many Americans will die because of Tice's leak.


26 posted on 01/05/2006 12:00:50 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Steel Wolf
So who cares? This is a guy with an axe to grind, and who wasn't part of the program in question.

This is the guy whose name is plastered all over the news today as being willing to testify in the "NSA wiretapping" matter before Congress.

Point is, he has a prior "whistleblowing" history, making a false claim of "spying" against a former colleague.

27 posted on 01/05/2006 12:03:11 PM PST by angkor
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To: Let's Roll
As Rush pointed out. This guy is a leaker.

More than that. In 2002, he made a false claim against a colleague as "spying for China" while at DIA. That claim was proved false.

28 posted on 01/05/2006 12:05:12 PM PST by angkor
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To: Pukin Dog; Ronald Goldwater; pbrown; angkor
Here's a link to the group this guy belongs to, with a membership list and personal bio's.

Two names that popped out at me were Larry Johnson and Daniel Ellsberg.Looks like another Hate-Bush outfit.

29 posted on 01/05/2006 12:06:54 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: angkor
This is the guy whose name is plastered all over the news today as being willing to testify in the "NSA wiretapping" matter before Congress.

True, but he can't deliver the goods. In order to testify you need testimony. He has none.

Besides, if a wild eyed kook like him becomes the face people associate with the liberals and their opposition to protecting the country, I don't have a problem with it.

30 posted on 01/05/2006 12:11:27 PM PST by Steel Wolf (If the Founders had wanted the President to be spying on our phone calls, they would have said so!)
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To: TheDon
The only problem here is that you folks are falling for this head fake.

Read this carefully. Tice is NOT the leaker of the current information related to NSA spying on Americans. He is not THAT LEAKER! He is just some fool fired from the NSA who NOW wants to talk about the NSA program, with the added benefit of making people (like you) assume that because he wants to talk about it, that HE is the leaker. HE AINT THE LEAKER!

The leakers of this information to the NY Times are in CONGRESS. They leaked the information under the assumption that they are immune from prosecution, for which they might be correct. However, the NY Times is NOT immune, and since Bush has called their bluff with his investigation, both Congress and the Times need someone to assume the role of lightning rod for the media's continued focus on the story.

The only thing this Tice person knows about the particular NSA program in question, is what he is being told by those who DID leak the same information to the media.

Why, you ask?

Well, YOU try getting a job after the NSA has reported you to be paranoid, and fired you. He is just another victim of the Bush administration's housecleaning at both the NSA and CIA. There are many looking for an opportunity to enact revenge on this White House. Tice is nothing but a stooge, doing what he is told to do, while someone unnamed makes sure he can still put food on his table.

31 posted on 01/05/2006 12:12:30 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Well, YOU try getting a job after the NSA has reported you to be paranoid, and fired you.

Since the NSA barely acknowledges its existance, I doubt they give any job references - good or bad.

32 posted on 01/05/2006 12:22:18 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Pukin Dog
Read this carefully. Tice is NOT the leaker of the current information related to NSA spying on Americans. He is not THAT LEAKER! He is just some fool fired from the NSA who NOW wants to talk about the NSA program, with the added benefit of making people (like you) assume that because he wants to talk about it, that HE is the leaker. HE AINT THE LEAKER!

Looks like his real problem with the NSA is that they wouldn't spy on someone he thought was a Chinese agent.

33 posted on 01/05/2006 12:24:02 PM PST by DejaJude
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To: Ronald Goldwater
Disgrunted former employee....


34 posted on 01/05/2006 12:27:05 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Pukin Dog
The leakers of this information to the NY Times are in CONGRESS.

That is my guess as well. Hopefully they will be caught and nailed for it.

35 posted on 01/05/2006 12:46:45 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Pukin Dog

I'm not sure at all that the leaker is from Congress. I'm thinking there's someone in the intelligence apparatus who doesn't agree with the President's claims of unlimited powers.

I'm also not sure I don't agree with someone who's uncomfortable with the idea that the "War on Terror" constitutes a "declaration of war" that's required for "wartime powers". We know that the War on Terror isn't going to be won in a few years, or maybe even a few decades. Are you willing to suspend the constitution for that long?

I support the War on Terror. I'm also comfortable with a system that requires warrants for searches, especially when those warrants easy to get, are practically always approved, and can be obtained up to 15 days after the fact. I know it puts me in the minority here, but I'm a little protective when it comes to my civil liberties, and I think it's OK for the NSA to have to ask for a warrant from FISA before listening in. I'll have to see more evidence that getting a warrant would hamper the President's ability to protect the nation. Thing about freedom is, once it's gone it's hard to get back.


36 posted on 01/05/2006 1:02:57 PM PST by RightbrainBrother
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To: RightbrainBrother

You need more information. Apparently they have gotten thousands of warrants from the FISA court and have encountered some situations that were not anticipated by the law.


37 posted on 01/05/2006 1:07:48 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: smoothsailing

This is a CYA attempt. They know they are being outted as inside sources by the Justice Department. They are tying to get the Rinos in Congress to give them official whistle blower status in hearings to protect them from prosecution for exposing US secrets to the NY slmes.


38 posted on 01/05/2006 2:14:19 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Ronald Goldwater

Only two posts?

No replies here yet?


39 posted on 01/05/2006 2:17:39 PM PST by Darksheare (Bezerky Jerky the funky Turkey jerky strips! Yum!)
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To: Darksheare; Ronald Goldwater
Homepage says he's a "journalist".

Maybe he's suffering from "writer's block".

:)

40 posted on 01/05/2006 2:27:03 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Galveston Grl
That's what it looks like.Bunch of nervous traitors.
41 posted on 01/05/2006 2:30:21 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Writers block, heh heh.


42 posted on 01/05/2006 5:35:54 PM PST by Darksheare (Bezerky Jerky the funky Turkey jerky strips! Yum!)
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To: angkor

"More than that. In 2002, he made a false claim against a colleague as "spying for China" while at DIA. That claim was proved false."

Is that why he was fired?


43 posted on 01/06/2006 6:02:16 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Let's Roll
Is that why he was fired?

It started the ball rolling. He went from DIA to NSA, but continued to pursue the charge against his former DIA colleague.

DIA referred his complaints back to the NSA security office, and from there things went downhill.

His colleague was exonerated of Tice's charge.

44 posted on 01/06/2006 8:05:58 AM PST by angkor
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To: Ronald Goldwater
"I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while I was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency and with the Defense Intelligence Agency,"

.... in regards to my strawberries that were missing from the refrigerator in the employee lunch room.

45 posted on 01/06/2006 8:37:16 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: jw777
Check his political affiliations and donations.

Check his mental health reports.

46 posted on 01/06/2006 8:38:22 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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