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Texas Concealed Handgun Law: Ten Years Later
Dallas Blog ^ | 1/5/2006 | Hon. Jerry Patterson

Posted on 01/05/2006 12:39:22 PM PST by Pop Fly

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To: ClearCase_guy
Flip side: Massachusetts has very strict gun-control laws. And the Boston murder rate is at its highest point in 10 years.

And on the radio a few weeks ago not only did Gov. Romney praise Mass' strict gun control laws but he also was glad that the law extended to BB guns.

21 posted on 01/05/2006 1:20:44 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Sans-Culotte

I'll be making it 247,346 within a couple months.


22 posted on 01/05/2006 1:26:36 PM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
And on the radio a few weeks ago not only did Gov. Romney praise Mass' strict gun control laws but he also was glad that the law extended to BB guns.

Really? That scuttles any support I'd have for him. I thought he was supposed to be "conservative."

23 posted on 01/05/2006 1:27:34 PM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: fanfan
An armed society is a polite society.

Indeed. Many years ago my wife worked in an office with the wife of the City's Chief of Detectives-- there was not one woman family member of his who didn't have a sidearm. Sometimes several- purse, glovebox, office desk. And I cannot think of a single policeman I've known whose families were not similarly equipped- the Good Guys know there is no substitute for being armed- just in case.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 1:27:48 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Pop Fly
Damn right. Despite all the evidence, the government of Canada is moving to ban all handguns (talk about concealed carry!, save those of cops and a select few hundred competition shooters. Sigh.

The effect of the Concealed Handgun Law has been so positive, it has converted some of its most outspoken initial critics.

Just not enough.

25 posted on 01/05/2006 1:30:00 PM PST by M203M4
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To: backhoe
What I would like to see are the real figures on crimes that were most often committed by unarmed felons, against unarmed citizens, before and after CCW laws were passed.

Car-jackings fit that bill quite well in my opinion, and the stats wouldn't be muddled by crimes of passion, gang related crap, etc.

Car-jackings were all the rage 10-15 years ago and most often it was thugs yanking an unarmed person out of their car at a red light, and the criminals themselves weren't armed, just bigger/stronger.

I know for a fact that car-jackings in Detroit dropped like a stone after Mi. passed its "must issue law", but you'll never see the MSM or the police chiefs putting the before/after stats out there for all to see.

Do that study and compile the stats, and we can stuff them up the anti-gunners a$$.
26 posted on 01/05/2006 1:32:09 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: R. Scott

Indeed. And why is this just such a tough issue for the anti-gun crowd to wrap their minds around?? The logic beams forth more brightly than the sun. Kudos to Texas!


27 posted on 01/05/2006 1:36:48 PM PST by delphirogatio
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To: theDentist

Hmph?! What's with Texas? Loss of backbone? :)


We killed a 34 game winning streak last night!


28 posted on 01/05/2006 1:36:50 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Beagle8U

when will these anti-gun dems get it--the criminals with guns don't care about "legislation".


29 posted on 01/05/2006 1:37:49 PM PST by celejrm313
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To: wolfcreek

Yes, but that victory falls undder the "Needed Killing" category.


30 posted on 01/05/2006 1:39:41 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Barney Gumble

The few times I've heard him questioned on gun laws and the second amendment he's been firmly on the side of controls. (He apparently likes a well controlled quail population too!)


31 posted on 01/05/2006 1:41:29 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Beagle8U
I certainly agree- the stats we see bandied about are not telling the whole story. We all know how the Brady Bunch has stretched the definition of "children," and I recall from a post on Small Dead Animals the crime rate comparisons between the US and Canada are hard to factor because their "homicide rate" is based on convictions, whereas ours includes deaths by police action and other broader measures.

Carjackings probably are a better indicator- also "Hot Burglaries," because even the dumbest burglar knows that if a person has only one weapon, it's almost certainly in the house with them.

32 posted on 01/05/2006 1:41:46 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Ancesthntr

"...if we truly had our "constitutional right to keep and bear arms" restored, we wouldn't have to apply and pay for permission to do so."

That is THE major problem with CCW laws. Any time you need to get a "permit" to do something that is a "right" guaranteed by the Constitution, the powers to be who issued the "permit" can withdraw the same. So much for the "Right to keep and Bear Arms".


33 posted on 01/05/2006 1:45:19 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: celejrm313
No, armed criminals could care less about gun laws.

But if we could present before/after facts on crimes that were most often committed by unarmed felons before, and after ccw laws passed and those crimes dropped by a wide margin, It would prove beyond a doubt that armed citizens are the cause of that drop in crime.

The anti's sure as hell couldn't try to spin that into saying that stolen cars/SUV's are worth less now...lol
34 posted on 01/05/2006 1:46:53 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Massachusetts has very strict gun-control laws. And the Boston murder rate is at its highest point in 10 years.

probably Texans on vacation in Boston


35 posted on 01/05/2006 1:51:40 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: showme_the_Glory
"Massachusetts has very strict gun-control laws. And the Boston murder rate is at its highest point in 10 years.

probably Texans on vacation in Boston"

I'll bet after that "BrokeButt Mountain" movie came out, Texans are up there looking for a queer to marry? / sarc.
36 posted on 01/05/2006 1:56:01 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Pop Fly

I'd be looking for some anecdotes that back up the statistics; e.g., instances where someone with a firearm interceded, and stopped, a crime.


37 posted on 01/05/2006 2:24:35 PM PST by tom h
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To: Pop Fly

Excellent post! I would love to send this out to some of my liberal buddies, then again they'd find something emotional to start crying about. Facts are wasted on libs anyways.


38 posted on 01/05/2006 2:37:24 PM PST by proud_yank (Guns cause crime like forks cause Michael Moore to be fat.)
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To: delphirogatio

Agreed. When I saw this over at Dallas Blog, I knew it should be posted here. I didn't even know it was the ten-year anniversary, and as the author points out, the sky has not fallen....far from it. It's always great when we see evidence of lessened gun control laws helping us.


39 posted on 01/05/2006 2:38:40 PM PST by Pop Fly
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To: Pop Fly

How could permits increase murder rates? I suspect that any increase in the number of people who carry is accounted for by a few more women with guns in their purses.


40 posted on 01/05/2006 2:46:42 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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