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Texas Concealed Handgun Law: Ten Years Later
Dallas Blog ^ | 1/5/2006 | Hon. Jerry Patterson

Posted on 01/05/2006 12:39:22 PM PST by Pop Fly

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To: Beagle8U

Carjackings in Florida just about ended for local folks but skyrocketed for rental cars in South Florida because foreign tourists drove most of them and they were obvioiusly not armed. The license tags were then changed so that rental status is not visible on the tag and that stopped, too. That was the year Florida almost lost its foreign tourist trade.


41 posted on 01/05/2006 2:51:36 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: celejrm313

When will the conservatives get it? To the liberals the criminals are the good guys. The most forthright about this were the Communists in Russia who classed common criminals as "social allies" who had to be locked up from time time when they became inconvenient but were useful in keeping the population scared.


42 posted on 01/05/2006 2:54:13 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Pop Fly; backhoe; All
Texas under the Concealed Handgun Law isn’t the Wild West

This is a very interesting article, and not surprising in light of John Lott's research.

And I did some research on the Wild West for my first novel (set in 1870's Colorado). The shooting that was done was to enforce the law (at a time when the representatives of the law were few and far between) and stop the (few in number) outlaws that were terrorizing innocent citizens.

It wasn't like people were just shooting each other up for the heck of it.

There was one story I loved about a woman who had a small handgun--was it called the Ladies' Equalizer?--and pulled it out to stop an accused criminal when he tried to bust out of his trial.

I will look it up--I sent the book I had on this ("The Gunslingers," I think it's called--a gorgeous coffee table book with lots of great pictures and history) to a friend of mine whose grandfather was a Wyoming rodeo champion.

Okay, is it possible at all to tell I love Western history? LOL!

43 posted on 01/05/2006 3:27:40 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Pop Fly

The clarification of home defense law took place about then too IIRC, the so-called "make my day" provision arrived.
Home invasions dropped as a result, rarely read about them now and if you do it's usually between druggies.


44 posted on 01/05/2006 3:28:15 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: R. Scott
Once again, an armed society is a polite society. Violent criminals become polite.

Exactly. Please see my #43. :)

45 posted on 01/05/2006 3:30:27 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: fanfan; backhoe; All
An armed society is a polite society. God Bless Texas!

I had the pleasure of living in Texas for about six months. I love people in the South--so friendly and polite--though they do have their East/West barbecue dispute, LOL! (my boyfriend was from North Carolina).

In any case, this article is certainly timely, given the City of Ottawa's voluntary "illegal gun" handover, set to begin next week, I believe.

I was just shaking my head. Tell me what criminal is going to "hand over their guns, no questions asked."

Ottawa is saying, "if it saves even one life, isn't it worth it?"

Well, I would like to throw that argument back at them. Take a good look at the actual research on what happens when the government takes guns away from law-abiding citizens and then answer that question.

46 posted on 01/05/2006 3:34:31 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: ElectricStrawberry

The car vs. assault (lookalike) weapon analogy is fine, but you really mean: (IMHO)

"Ted Kennedy has killed more people with his car than I have with my car."

And my own assault (lookalike) weapon hasn't been used to kill anyone, either.

Mary Jo Kopechne, had she lived, would be 65 now. A wife, mother, grandmother: all those roles were robbed from her by the Swimmer. With no regret other than not becoming President.


47 posted on 01/05/2006 4:06:53 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Sans-Culotte
...my wife's and mine among them...

Same here and we have yet to shoot anyone.

48 posted on 01/05/2006 4:13:28 PM PST by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71)
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To: chesty_puller; All

Just added a new one to my arsenal today. Springfield armory mini compact .45 acp 1911. One helluva fine gun. Getting geared up for the HAT chapter spring shoot.


49 posted on 01/05/2006 4:22:36 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Pop Fly

A good lesson for Wisconsin and a great example to put the libs down with...

Yeee Ha TX


50 posted on 01/05/2006 4:40:58 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister.. but we knew what to do.. we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: Pop Fly; Eaker; humblegunner; TEXASPROUD

OUESTION ?

New Travelers law took effect Sept 1 that says any Texan can carry a concealed handgun in their vehicle while out and about regardless of crossing of county line or staying overnight as old traveling defined etc etc....

Now does the fact that there is a travelers law drop the requirement for me to show my CHL to the LEO on the traffic stops ?

Or did that Sept 1 rule state that the "traveler" has to tell the LEO they have a firearm in the vehicle ?

Anyone know if that was brought up ?


51 posted on 01/05/2006 4:59:44 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Good question.

Having had a CHL for so long I didn't even think about it.

If stopped I will present my CHL with my TDL as I understand that nothing has changed in this regard.

Plus the offense will probably minor as in 120 in a 70 or some such thing that will only land me a warning.

Seriously, I read the law a few weeks ago and didn't see this mentioned. This law will probably modified to force them to do so.

Once again, very good question!


52 posted on 01/05/2006 5:27:22 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: proud American in Canada
I had the pleasure of living in Texas for about six months. I love people in the South--so friendly and polite

I know what you mean.
The Texans are a very welcoming people.



In any case, this article is certainly timely, given the City of Ottawa's voluntary "illegal gun" handover, set to begin next week, I believe.
I was just shaking my head. Tell me what criminal is going to "hand over their guns, no questions asked."
Ottawa is saying, "if it saves even one life, isn't it worth it?"


This idea is completely asinine, and will solve nothing!

It's no more than posturing for provincial funding, and the beginning of Bob Charelli's mayoral campaign. Just another Liberal.

Vince Bevan, our Chief of Police? A joke.

It's not "no questions asked".

The citizen is supposed to call the police department.
They will send a cruiser to your home to pick up your unregistered gun.
They will test the gun.
53 posted on 01/05/2006 5:29:54 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Eaker; Shooter 2.5

http://www.tsra.com/HB823_Keel.htm

I'm full of questions as ya well know........;o)

It's the answers I must seek !

Maybe a call to this State Rep Keel will do at the link above ?!?!?!?

Thanks Eaker !


54 posted on 01/05/2006 5:33:35 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Let me know as this affects the few people I know that aren't licensed.

See ya!!


55 posted on 01/05/2006 5:40:28 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Eaker

WILCO !


56 posted on 01/05/2006 5:44:24 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Beagle8U
I believe that John Lott has done the studies, and has been vilified in the MSM for it.
57 posted on 01/05/2006 6:36:52 PM PST by marktwain
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To: proud American in Canada

I had the privilege of riding my Harley from California to Virginia twice, once in 1982 and again in 1984. I Both times I had a 30 day leave. As I have a strong interest in history, I had to stop at historical points of interest – Tombstone, Arizona among them. Hollywood tells us people were shot in the street every day. Not so. I checked out Abilene, Kansas – another rough, tough shoot ‘em up town according to Hollywood. Nope. Loud drunks after a cattle drive, but shootings were rare. Local libraries keep old newspapers on microfilm, and it was actually a lot of work to find news of “wild west shoot outs”. In no old West town could I find Hollywood.
I also checked out old Army posts. I had visions of the Hollywood version – a wood stockade on the plains, under constant Indian attack. Nope. Logs come from trees – and there were few trees on the Plains. There were also few Indian attacks. The accounts I read showed utter boredom to be the real enemy.


58 posted on 01/06/2006 2:57:02 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: proud American in Canada

There was one other place of interest I want to mention but couldn’t remember the name when I posted – Dodge City. A true Hollywood gunslinging town.
Nope. Really kinda peaceful.


59 posted on 01/06/2006 3:39:03 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: hophead; Ancesthntr
"That is THE major problem with CCW laws. Any time you need to get a "permit" to do something that is a "right" guaranteed by the Constitution, the powers to be who issued the "permit" can withdraw the same. So much for the "Right to keep and Bear Arms"."

I agree, but we gotta start somewhere. 'Must Issue' is much better than 'May Issue' like NJ where only the rich, famous, or politically connected get permits.

60 posted on 01/06/2006 1:22:40 PM PST by jjm2111 (Can't wait for the next Holiday!)
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