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2005 Iran Became Most Dangerous Nation (F-16I to play major role!)
Oracle ^ | January 5, 2006 | Hal Lindsey

Posted on 01/05/2006 12:54:59 PM PST by underwiredsupport

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To: underwiredsupport

Noe THAT'S a Mitzvah!


21 posted on 01/05/2006 1:28:11 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: underwiredsupport
Oop's sorry I meant you thanks!
22 posted on 01/05/2006 1:29:08 PM PST by Steveone (Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
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To: F14 Pilot
I have a feeling the Iranian government officials are going to see this aircraft in action up close and personal. Well, at least they may hear the afterburner above the explosions.........And they may eventually see a few of these too....

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23 posted on 01/05/2006 1:29:48 PM PST by b4its2late (For every action, there is an equal and opposite government program.)
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To: underwiredsupport
"Israeli Air Force officials are "frustrated" over the Defense Ministry's agreeing to allow the F-16I jets to be equipped with American-made radar."

Why ?
24 posted on 01/05/2006 1:30:24 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: underwiredsupport

For this to work for Tehran, strategists must assume that either the initial strike will be devastating enough to prevent a conventional or nuclear counterattack by Israel, or that Israel's rumored nuclear arsenal is just a bluff and doesn't really exist.

The next step would be dealing with a response from America and Europe. It would be logical for them to conclude that Europe will respond only with a conventional attack, if any attack at all. They may also believe that we will not have the stomach to "nuke Iranian civilians because of their government" (and they would be correct).


25 posted on 01/05/2006 1:43:53 PM PST by bobjam
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To: underwiredsupport

For this to work for Tehran, strategists must assume that either the initial strike will be devastating enough to prevent a conventional or nuclear counterattack by Israel, or that Israel's rumored nuclear arsenal is just a bluff and doesn't really exist.

The next step would be dealing with a response from America and Europe. It would be logical for them to conclude that Europe will respond only with a conventional attack, if any attack at all. They may also believe that we will not have the stomach to "nuke Iranian civilians because of their government" (and they would be correct).


26 posted on 01/05/2006 1:43:56 PM PST by bobjam
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To: underwiredsupport
Who's airspace are these aircraft going to fly over. If you say Iraq, I think that presents huge problems for us. Iraq is now a sovereign country, and if we let the Israelis fly over Iraq, without Iraqi support (never happen), it will show the Iraqis and the world that the USA does not recognize Iraqi sovereignty.
Israel does have missiles that it could launch from Subs or Israel. I don't know enough about those capabilities to opine if Iran's nuke facilities could be destroyed.
27 posted on 01/05/2006 1:48:13 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: DevSix
"That time is not here yet though."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>............
Gulf of Arabia resolution coming soon (for those old hands from the 60's)
Plans for unexplained explosions, loss of communications, missing leaders, unidentified planes, power disruptions, massive chaos in the general population with HELP being given to Iran by some Neighbors to stabilize the situation ..a very complex plan with the outcome of a non nuclear Iran lead by secular leaders. A hope and a prayer they can pull it off.
28 posted on 01/05/2006 2:07:41 PM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Grzegorz 246

"Israeli Air Force officials are "frustrated" over the Defense Ministry's agreeing to allow the F-16I jets to be equipped with American-made radar."

Why ?"

Now that you see the United Arab Emirates receiving AN/APG-80s with their F-16s. The Israeli's wanted to fit their own radars and seemed unhappy with the radar fit on their F-16Is.


Radar concerns cast shadow over F-16I buy
ALON BEN-DAVID JDW Correspondent
Tel Aviv

The Israel Air Force (IAF) is "highly dissatisfied" with the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-68(V)9 radar installed in its new F-16I multirole fighters, according to senior Israeli defence sources.

With the first of 102 Lockheed Martin F-16Is scheduled to arrive in Israel on 19 February, a growing number of defence officials are now criticising the procurement.

JDW has learned that following a series of test flights at Lockheed Martin's facility in Fort Worth, Texas, IAF pilots assessed the synthetic-aperture radar (SAR) mode of the AN/APG-68(V)9 to be "below IAF operational standards".

Israel's former minister of defence, Moshe Arens, who negotiated the F-16I deal, told JDW he is not surprised to learn about the radar's performance problems. "Our intention was to install Israeli-made radar in the F-16Is, but the US government made the whole sale conditional on the purchase of US-made radar. I argued that [Israel Aircraft Industries' subsidiary] Elta's radar had a proven better performance and lesser cost than the US radars, but the Americans were unrelenting," Arens said.

The Israel Defence Force (IDF) spokesperson's office declined to comment on the matter, and a spokesperson for Lockheed Martin said that "the issue is between the Israeli and the US governments".

Senior IAF officers have recently met with both Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman executives and presented them with what they described as "performance problems of the radar". IAF sources said that "once the aircraft arrive in Israel, further tests will be conducted in co-ordination with the manufacturer".

However, according to a Northrop Grumman spokesman, the company hosted a SAR "summit" for all key principals in January 2004, at the US government's request, to evaluate the radar's performance. At the end of that session, the parties agreed that the radar had met all its performance specifications, that the development phase was completed and that the IAF should now evaluate the radar in its own environment.

IAF sources said that in 1999 the service's preferred option was for Lockheed Martin's F-16I over Boeing's F-15I - partly because an offer to purchase two batches of 50 aircraft had significantly lowered the price per unit. However, the $4.4 billion F-16I deal, Israel's largest-ever single procurement, is now under increasing scrutiny by both former and current defence officials.

"I don't think we should have decided in 1999 on fighters we will still be receiving in 2008," said Brig Gen Eival Giladi, who until last December was head of strategic planning for the IDF. "I am not worried about their technology, but I'm not sure that what we will need in 2008 are fighters. We should have opted for the smaller [F-15] deal. Even though we would have lost the considerable discount, we would have gained much more freedom to decide later on the structure of our air force."

Arens, who supported the F-16I deal at the time, said: "In perspective, it could be that we were a little hasty. Considering the strategic changes in the region, I am not sure we should have made that deal."

While IAF Commander Maj Gen Dan Halutz (now IDF Deputy Chief of Staff elect) maintained that the F16I procurement "was the right decision then and still is today", other senior officers are questioning the decision, which committed a large part of US Foreign Military Financing (FMF) to Israel for almost a decade.

The IDF's budget was drastically reduced in the last two years, making the FMF the only available funds for new procurements.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon recently added NIS1 billion ($224.2 million) to the 2004 defence budget, totalling NIS33.4 billion, and pledged an additional NIS1.6 billion in 2005.


29 posted on 01/05/2006 2:19:39 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: underwiredsupport

Thanks for info on the F-16I. How many bunker busters can it carry? Three bombing waves may be needed with each wave penetrating deeper. Plus how many of these aircraft does Israel have?

TIME HAS COME TODAY!
Watch out Iran with all your hollow boasting and threats of genocide


30 posted on 01/05/2006 2:25:18 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Toidylop
Thanks for the link. Here's my favorite....


I wonder if anyone would notice if we sneak them a little gas as they transit to/from Iran. Somewhere over Iraq might make a good refueling location.
31 posted on 01/05/2006 2:25:32 PM PST by derllak
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To: derllak

Nah... The USAF KC10 just happens to be closeby :). We're only there to give our friend a little hand.


32 posted on 01/05/2006 2:44:36 PM PST by Toidylop
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To: diznay4evr
Kumbayah my troll, Kumbayah.
33 posted on 01/05/2006 3:33:56 PM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter the remnants to the wind. Avenge JFK.)
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To: Tommyjo; Grzegorz 246

Will the F-16Is get the ELM-2052 AESA radar that ELTA is developing??Would be pretty weird if it wins lots of export orders without a single sale to the IDF!!


34 posted on 01/06/2006 10:39:54 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: underwiredsupport

HOw about the F-22. It could use a combat test.


35 posted on 01/08/2006 6:32:34 PM PST by Thunder90
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